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NatedawgThaM
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I've seen around the site on variety of different off topic kimbo threads people saying their opinion on that topic and then at the end saying he will lose to Kimbo. I just want to see how they see this happening.
Because honestly I just can't give JT more of a chance then just the fact it's MMA and anything can happen. Kimbo has a way better chin and actually has better technique then his opponent for the 2nd straight fight!! I know JT could take it to the ground and expose his ground game but I just can't see him doing that since Kimbo has been training with Bas for several months now and I doubt Bas is letting him fight without knowing at least decent knowledge about submissions being the submission expert that he is. Kimbo has better stand up and I think this will look a lot like Kimbo-Tank. Like Tank, JT likes to dirty box brawl by grabbing the back of your head but I see Kimbo avoiding that like he did with tank with great head movement and Tank has a better chin so I see JT going down with the first counter straight that lands by Kimbo. I don't even see this touching the ground until JT is dropped just because JT stood with Butterbean who is probably the hardest hitting heavyweight in MMA when he connects. So Kimbo takes this under a minute in the 1st by KO and hopefully next he faces a decent wrestler!!!
Thoughts?
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Post #1 5/13/08 11:21:57PM
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Ill pick kimbo, but i could see james winning if he just keeps kimbo clinched up or takes him down and out wrestles him. I mean, its all well and good saying kimbos going to be good on the ground becouse hes training with bas, but james is training with couture now so id imagine his wrestling will of improved alot. Plus he has a hell of a lot more experience than kimbo, and im guessing the game plan drawn up for him will be to take the fight to the ground becouse hes probably going to get knocked out he stands with kimbo for any period of time.
Also, i dont know where people get this idea that kimbos got a good chin, i mean, hes never been hit. The only time ive seen him hit where with some shocking punches from his street fights, and in his fight with gannon where he was rocked on more than one occasion. And i dont care how much you train with bas rutten, is gannons rocking you, your chin aint all that.
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Post #2 5/13/08 11:32:16PM
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cmill21
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I don't. I don't get all the talk about Kimbo, sure he's being hyped but thats just his promoters job, he doesn't do anything to cause it other then replying to peoples questions. He's got pretty good boxing, huge power and he's a tough guy. Anyways I think he'll beat JT, but who knows.
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Post #3 5/13/08 11:41:25PM
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NatedawgThaM
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Taking a punch in a street fight proves you have a good chin more then taking a punch in MMA. The glove-no glove is the difference. Mark Hunt and Big Nog have a better chance of getting KO'd in a street fight then in an MMA fight. And everybody has KO power as long as you have a fist and can throw it in a street fight. Especially if your a freakin heavyweight. I'm not saying his chin is solid rock but it's definitely not weak. It's average until proven better or worse.
And ring experience means nothing especially when you do the same thing and get KTFO in all of them.
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Post #4 5/13/08 11:42:20PM
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Keep this in mind when assessing the 2 fighters. If Thompson and Kimbo's roles were reversed and JT was 2-0 with wins over Bo Cantrell and Tank Abbott, and Kimbo had fought fighters like Neil Grove, Brett Rogers, Don Frye, Butterbean, Broughton, Fujita, Aleks Emelianenko there's a real good chance you'd have the exact opposite feeling about each fighter.
JT has been dedicating himself to his Greco Roman Wrestling at Team Quest, and was executing it perfectly until Rogers created a little seperation.
I think a few more months of training since that last fight, he will be able to get into the Greco Roman Clinch and wear at Kimbo until he puts him on his back.
Kimbo has never been in a situation like that and of course we won't know what happens until we see it, but JT is skilled enough and strong enough to hold him there while he works some GNP.
JT's strategy will be to bang to get in close enough to grapple, not as in previous fights where the strategy was to bang until one guy falls.
I have JT with a 2nd Round GNP. EDIT: Unless JT drops him in the 1st.
Last edited 5/13/08 11:45PM by Kpro
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Post #5 5/13/08 11:45:22PM
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Posted by Kpro
Keep this in mind when assessing the 2 fighters. If Thompson and Kimbo's roles were reversed and JT was 2-0 with wins over Bo Cantrell and Tank Abbott, and Kimbo had fought fighters like Neil Grove, Brett Rogers, Don Frye, Butterbean, Broughton, Fujita, Aleks Emelianenko there's a real good chance you'd have the exact opposite feeling about each fighter.
JT has been dedicating himself to his Greco Roman Wrestling at Team Quest, and was executing it perfectly until Rogers created a little seperation.
I think a few more months of training since that last fight, he will be able to get into the Greco Roman Clinch and wear at Kimbo until he puts him on his back.
Kimbo has never been in a situation like that and of course we won't know what happens until we see it, but JT is skilled enough and strong enough to hold him there while he works some GNP.
JT's strategy will be to bang to get in close enough to grapple, not as in previous fights where the strategy was to bang until one guy falls.
I have JT with a 2nd Round GNP. EDIT: Unless JT drops him in the 1st.
Problem with that is JT can get KO'd with the first jab that touches him.
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Post #6 5/13/08 11:55:11PM
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Posted by cmill21
Problem with that is JT can get KO'd with the first jab that touches him.
Kimbo doesn't throw jabs.
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Post #7 5/13/08 11:58:54PM
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Posted by Kpro
JT's strategy will be to bang to get in close enough to grapple, not as in previous fights where the strategy was to bang until one guy falls.
That's the biggest ACL to your argument. You had me their and almost convinced me but even the slightest thought of banging will get him on the ground unconscious. It is a great plan that he'll probably definitely follow but getting into the clinch will be his biggest downfall. I can only see them clinching if JT can catch a punch and pull him close or duck one and clinch by keeping his head under kimbo's arm. But I just have can't remember ever seeing him duck a punch. I just think Kimbo's good head movement will be too much for him to clinch and when he comes into clinch he'll get dropped with a perfectly placed straight right!
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Post #8 5/14/08 12:07:20AM
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Posted by cmill21
Problem with that is JT can get KO'd with the first jab that touches him.
Kimbo doesn't throw jabs.
Sure he does.
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Post #9 5/14/08 12:27:38AM
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Posted by NatedawgThaM
I just think Kimbo's good head movement will be too much for him to clinch and when he comes into clinch he'll get dropped with a perfectly placed straight right!
I was thinking of a right uppercut.
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Problem with that is JT can get KO'd with the first jab that touches him.
Kimbo doesn't throw jabs.
Sure he does.
Do not rebuttal my posts with logic.
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Posted by cmill21
Problem with that is JT can get KO'd with the first jab that touches him.
Kimbo doesn't throw jabs.
Sure he does.
Do not rebuttal my posts with logic.
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Post #12 5/14/08 12:33:55AM
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Problem with that is JT can get KO'd with the first jab that touches him.
Kimbo doesn't throw jabs.
Sure he does.
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Post #13 5/14/08 12:35:37AM
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Posted by Kpro
Keep this in mind when assessing the 2 fighters. If Thompson and Kimbo's roles were reversed and JT was 2-0 with wins over Bo Cantrell and Tank Abbott, and Kimbo had fought fighters like Neil Grove, Brett Rogers, Don Frye, Butterbean, Broughton, Fujita, Aleks Emelianenko there's a real good chance you'd have the exact opposite feeling about each fighter.
JT has been dedicating himself to his Greco Roman Wrestling at Team Quest, and was executing it perfectly until Rogers created a little seperation.
I think a few more months of training since that last fight, he will be able to get into the Greco Roman Clinch and wear at Kimbo until he puts him on his back.
Kimbo has never been in a situation like that and of course we won't know what happens until we see it, but JT is skilled enough and strong enough to hold him there while he works some GNP.
JT's strategy will be to bang to get in close enough to grapple, not as in previous fights where the strategy was to bang until one guy falls.
I have JT with a 2nd Round GNP. EDIT: Unless JT drops him in the 1st.
Some good arguments in there, more than alot of JTWW propaganda.
I don't agree with the assesment that JT needs to bang. JT needs to clinch and dirty box. Use his clinch as a defense for getting hit with clean shots while throwing some uppercuts and dummy punches when he's got the chance....
That said, I will not be picking JT. I might put some money on him as a longshot with a chance though.
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Keep this in mind when assessing the 2 fighters. If Thompson and Kimbo's roles were reversed and JT was 2-0 with wins over Bo Cantrell and Tank Abbott, and Kimbo had fought fighters like Neil Grove, Brett Rogers, Don Frye, Butterbean, Broughton, Fujita, Aleks Emelianenko there's a real good chance you'd have the exact opposite feeling about each fighter.
JT has been dedicating himself to his Greco Roman Wrestling at Team Quest, and was executing it perfectly until Rogers created a little seperation.
I think a few more months of training since that last fight, he will be able to get into the Greco Roman Clinch and wear at Kimbo until he puts him on his back.
Kimbo has never been in a situation like that and of course we won't know what happens until we see it, but JT is skilled enough and strong enough to hold him there while he works some GNP.
JT's strategy will be to bang to get in close enough to grapple, not as in previous fights where the strategy was to bang until one guy falls.
I have JT with a 2nd Round GNP. EDIT: Unless JT drops him in the 1st.
Some good arguments in there, more than alot of JTWW propaganda.
I don't agree with the assesment that JT needs to bang. JT needs to clinch and dirty box. Use his clinch as a defense for getting hit with clean shots while throwing some uppercuts and dummy punches when he's got the chance....
That said, I will not be picking JT. I might put some money on him as a longshot with a chance though.
propaganda........?
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