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Pitbull09
MMA Sensei
Career record: 106-51
Season: 15-5 (#972)
Location: PA
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I know this will spark a big arguement but I dont mind as I think this could be a great topic.
Right now I think the three candidates are
1. Anderson Silva (21-4)
2. Fedor Emelianenko (27-1)
3. George St. Pierre (16-2)
Thats the order I have it for top three, I was wondering what yours were.
Anderson Silva is top guy for me as his four losses are understandable. One was a DQ with Okami (that KO'd Okami), two were crazy submissions while Silva was winning the fight, and the other was a close decision.
Fedor is 2nd just becuase of his competition lately. His only loss was bull. If it was justified, A Silva should have a W for the kick to Okami. The fight with Sylvia coming up makes me put him above GSP but until he fights in the UFC (whether its weak or not) I cant put him as #1
GSP gets 3rd only because his two losses are decisive. Hughes destroyed him in their first fight and Serra KO'd him in the first round. I know he avenged the losses (Hughes twice), but he has to pay a bit for losing that bad when being picked for P4P.
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Post #1 5/8/08 12:08:37AM
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Pookie
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Career record: 168-78
Season: 17-4 (#252)
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Posted by Pitbull09
I know this will spark a big arguement but I dont mind as I think this could be a great topic.
Right now I think the three candidates are
1. Anderson Silva (21-4)
2. Fedor Emelianenko (27-1)
3. George St. Pierre (16-2)
Thats the order I have it for top three, I was wondering what yours were.
Anderson Silva is top guy for me as his four losses are understandable. One was a DQ with Okami (that KO'd Okami), two were crazy submissions while Silva was winning the fight, and the other was a close decision.
Fedor is 2nd just becuase of his competition lately. His only loss was bull. If it was justified, A Silva should have a W for the kick to Okami. The fight with Sylvia coming up makes me put him above GSP but until he fights in the UFC (whether its weak or not) I cant put him as #1
GSP gets 3rd only because his two losses are decisive. Hughes destroyed him in their first fight and Serra KO'd him in the first round. I know he avenged the losses (Hughes twice), but he has to pay a bit for losing that bad when being picked for P4P.
His loss to daiju takase he was not winning, he was getting dominated before getting subbed.
But other than that i believe anderson silva is currently the p4p best, if fedor beats Sylvia he'll take the #1 spot back again.
The only top hw's he hasnt faced are couture, barnett, and arlovski. And with the current situation of all these fighters i feel its feasible that he can fight all of them in the next 2 years or so.
If he joined the UFC they would have almost no good fights for him at all right now and it looks like he made the right decision(in hindsight) by ultimately not signing with the ufc.
and GSP i place 4rth behind bj penn, Its not his fault his division is saturated with wrestlers but regardless i still feel he hasnt faced a very diverse set of fighters like the 3 above him have.
Last edited 5/8/08 12:23AM by pookie
Edit note/reason: grammatical errors
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Post #2 5/8/08 12:15:47AM
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coldchillin
Standup Guy
Career record: 130-61
Season: 13-8 (#2208)
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Anderson Silva has been so dominating lately and then counter-in Fedor's recent inactivity and I think The Spider has to be P4P the best right now. It will be interesting to see how Fedor looks against Sylvia.
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Post #3 5/8/08 12:19:50AM
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Anderson Silva is P4P #1
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Career record: 108-71
Season: 12-9 (#3398)
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Silva just proved it by beating a guy that took the 205 champ to the limit Page couldnt finish Hendo where Silva went to town I but Fedor could take it back with a win for now its Silva
GSP is on the come up
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Post #4 5/8/08 12:26:24AM
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Pitbull09
MMA Sensei
Career record: 106-51
Season: 15-5 (#972)
Location: PA
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Posted by Pookie
and GSP i place 4rth behind bj penn, Its not his fault his division is saturated with wrestlers but regardless i still feel he hasnt faced a very diverse set of fighters like the 3 above him have.
Penn has been beat by hughes and GSP but I guess that decision is argueable. Idk, even if he beat Sherk in a dominating fashion I dont see who else in that division is impressive to beat with Penns level. Right now I see him as a solid 4 spot though.
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Post #5 5/8/08 12:31:04AM
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JBatch
Standup Guy
Career record: 179-92
Season: 14-7 (#2732)
Location: Windsor
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I would agree with the threadstarter. I completely disagree with the poster who said BJ is #3, he is a slick fighter with a diverse skill set yet he has lost a few of his past fights and one to guy you are going to rank him above in GSP. Makes no sense.
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Post #6 5/8/08 12:33:15AM
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Tailgunner
MMA Regular
Career record: 65-39
Season: 8-9 (#5782)
Location: California
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Posted by Pitbull09
GSP gets 3rd only because his two losses are decisive. Hughes destroyed him in their first fight and Serra KO'd him in the first round. I know he avenged the losses (Hughes twice), but he has to pay a bit for losing that bad when being picked for P4P.
Did you even see the first GSP vs Hughes??? Cause Hughes was getting schooled until he pulled off that arm-bar with one second left in the round!
Hughes was not destroying GSP ever in that fight.
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Post #7 5/8/08 12:35:46AM
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Pookie
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Season: 17-4 (#252)
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Posted by Pitbull09
Posted by Pookie
and GSP i place 4rth behind bj penn, Its not his fault his division is saturated with wrestlers but regardless i still feel he hasnt faced a very diverse set of fighters like the 3 above him have.
Penn has been beat by hughes and GSP but I guess that decision is argueable. Idk, even if he beat Sherk in a dominating fashion I dont see who else in that division is impressive to beat with Penns level. Right now I see him as a solid 4 spot though.
True, but he also was considerably smaller than both and in a p4p ranking size is supposed to be taken out of the issue, and i personally believe BJ penn would beat hughes 10/10 times if he didnt injure himself mid-fight.
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Post #8 5/8/08 12:49:58AM
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playground samauri
Career record: 189-109
Season: 17-4 (#16)
Location: NW Ohio - 419
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Posted by Tailgunner
Did you even see the first GSP vs Hughes??? Cause Hughes was getting schooled until he pulled off that arm-bar with one second left in the round!
Hughes was not destroying GSP ever in that fight.
Posted by Pookie
His loss to daiju takase he was not winning, he was getting dominated before getting subbed.
These guys are right. And I don't mean to nitpick, but IMO Anderson was also losing his fight with Chonan even before the sub. However, I don't feel any of Silva's losses should be relevent to the current P4P rankings. Just a little food for thought.
Anywho, I have it...
1. GSP
2. Silva
3. Fedor.
It's really tight though. I have GSP at #1 mainly because of all the ranked fighters he beaten. Actually, if I had a choice, I'd rank both Silva and GSP at #1 until they fought to establish a true answer to the controversy. Maybe im bias. If Fedor continues fighting and defeating legitimate fighters after a win over Big Tim, he'll be right back in the race for the #1 spot.
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Post #9 5/8/08 1:04:25AM
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kevietre
In Full Mount
Career record: 118-78
Season: 13-8 (#2286)
Location: New Jersey
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Fedor is the man. But Anderson Silva has to be #1 right now. He isin't going out of the 2nd round lately which is scary. Henderson dominated him in round 1 but he remained patient and submitted him making it look easy. He walked through Rich Franklin twice. We're talking about a guy who stopped Ken Shamrock in the first round, beat Evan Tanner twice, and dominated The Crow for 5 rounds and Silva wrecked him twice. He has a brutal KO over Tony The Freak, beat Jorge Rivera who hits hard at 185 and nobody really talks about his 1st round destruction of Nate Marquardt. Fedor has beaten top level competiton just not as dominant as Silva has been beating his opponents. Fedor beat Randleman but not before getting dumped on his head. He beat Fujita but not before getting wobbled. He beat Nogeira twice but by decision. With the exception of Mark Hunt Fedor's last legit opponent was Mirko. Hong Man Choi and Zulu are not going to make you a better fighter. The Lindland fight should have never happened because of the weight difference and the was some controvery whether or not Fedor held on to the ropes. Im not trying to knock on Fedor I think he'll bounce back against Tim but Silva is on a rampage right now.
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Post #10 5/8/08 1:16:19AM
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Mchubb316
Belt Contender
Career record: 186-102
Season: 14-7 (#1025)
Location: Southern Oregon
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Silva P4P best I agree. No one has come close to challenging him for the belt. He has taken the UFC by storm, and I don't see it coming to an end anytime in the near future.
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Post #11 5/8/08 2:38:07AM
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Pookie
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Season: 17-4 (#252)
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Posted by kevietre
He walked through Rich Franklin twice. We're talking about a guy who stopped Ken Shamrock in the first round, beat Evan Tanner twice, and dominated The Crow for 5 rounds and Silva wrecked him twice.
See i dont think stopping shammy in the first, beating tanner twice and dominating the crow for five rounds is really all that impressive when compared to alot of other fighters. but thats just me.
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Post #12 5/8/08 3:12:48AM
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Ben_Hutch
In Full Mount
Career record: 85-55
Season: 14-7 (#1121)
Location: London
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Anderson Silva = #1 P4P in the world
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Post #13 5/8/08 7:50:02AM
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mrsmiley
MMA Sensei
Career record: 129-88
Season: 9-11 (#4887)
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As of now I would say Silva is P4P the best,but only because Fedor has been taking it easy lately.To me though,if you want to prove who is the best P4P fighter,then you just got to take the best out of each weight class and make them fight.LOL,I know that might sound crazy,but hey it would end the debate.
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Post #14 5/8/08 9:42:58AM
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Posted by Pookie
and GSP i place 4rth behind bj penn, Its not his fault his division is saturated with wrestlers but regardless i still feel he hasnt faced a very diverse set of fighters like the 3 above him have.
See, I just don't understand it with BJ fans.
The dude comes off of a 1 year hiatus and losses to GSP and Matt Hughes. Drops down to 155lbs and beats Jen Pulvers (not a top 10 fighter) and Joe Stevenson (decent win, arguably top 10 fighter). Yeah, he has beat some really solid guys in the past but GSP has been beating solid guys pretty much his entire career.
Then there's always the argument about how he almost beat Hughes and he should have beat GSP. If those excuses don't work than those fights shouldn't have even count since he was fighting at a higher weight class. Seriously, there are a handful of fighters that I rank higher than BJ in both the P4P and lightweight ranking. Of course, I'll definitely rank BJ higher if he defeats Sherk.
But whatever, P4P rankings are so damn subjective. Like I do look at overall accomplishments but I definitely place more weight on recent performances than ones 3 years ago. You're as good as your last fight.
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