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Travis Lutter shares his thoughts on being released by the UFC in an interview with FightHype. Lutter believes Matt Serra will be the next fighter released if he loses his upcoming fight with Matt Hughes based on how they treated Serra while he was treated recently in Canada. During UFC 83, Serra, Lutter, Kalib Starnes and, "five other guys" were cramped into one locker room. Usually the main eventers get their own space, but not Serra. It appeared to Lutter the UFC was hoping and praying that St. Pierre would win because he´s more marketable.
Another thing that irks Lutter is that Kendall Grove, who has suffered back-to-back knockout losses, is headlining the next Ultimate Fight Night card. Lutter loses to two top middleweight fighters; puts up very, very good fights, gains full mount on Anderson Silva and nearly snaps Franklin´s arm but ends up losing both bouts and is released. Grove on the other hand, gets knocked out by Patrick Cote and Jorge Rivera…and is handed a main even bout on Spike TV. Why?
It is clear and apparent the UFC has no ranking system and is releasing fighters based on other factors. If all it takes is two losses in a row, current Lightweight Champion BJ Penn should have been tossed after UFC 63. As well, Wanderlei Silva has now lost three bouts in a row (albeit two of those losses occurred in Pride). Same goes for Dan Henderson and Mirko CroCop. CroCop actually asked for a temporary leave after his second loss and the UFC granted it to him. Tim Sylvia loses one fight and the UFC grants him his release. There´s no rhyme or reason based on win-loss records.
However, if you look closer, their roster cutting methods tend to make a little more sense.
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Post #1 5/7/08 8:21:32AM
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R-Bandd
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The writer has a point. Istill believe it would be better for the sport if the was a ranking system.
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Post #2 5/7/08 9:12:05AM
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decken
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I think two things have to be realized here: First every fighter has a different contract which gives the UFC the ability to release fighters for different reasons. So if fighter X has a contract that says he is guaranteed 5 fights it doesn't matter if he losses all 5 fights. The UFC is legal obligated to give him his five fights. All though it may be possible to pay him off to end the contract early. If fighter X had the same contract though guaranteeing him 5 fights but had a clause saying if he losses two fights in a row he can be dropped. Then if he losses 2 fights the ufc has the option of dropping fighter X. Secondly, the UFC is out to make money period. They are not running a charity. So if they have a fighter like Tim Sylvia that the majority of people don't like due to his freakish size and some would say boring fighting style the UFC from a business perspective may be better off having a more marketable fighter in that position. The UFC is going to take the earliest and best opportunity that they can to drop him without causing any major damage to the New Title holders credibility. Like when nog beat big TIm.
P.S. I didn't read the whole article and I apologizes for any grammatical errors or non-sensical sentences.
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Post #3 5/7/08 9:20:53AM
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I have no issues with anyone that was recently cut, it all makes sense.
Din Thomas wasn't cut as much as he wanted to drop to 145 and he was the best fighter in the dozen or so fighters cut.
Oh and Roman Mitichyan seemed like a weird cut to but maybe there's a reason, maybe he said or did something after his loss that garnered him a release.
Like I said good cuts, no one I will miss.
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Post #4 5/7/08 9:57:02AM
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The biggest loss is Sylvia as he greatly hearts the HW by leaving but he "just wants respect" well he now really has a chance to get it if he can beat Fedor if not hell be back in the UFC
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Post #5 5/7/08 10:30:46AM
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Lutter does not understand why people are annoyed that he missed weight for An Silva and gassed out against Franklin, guy needs a wake up call.
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Post #6 5/7/08 11:10:57AM
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R-Bandd
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Posted by SpiderSilva
The biggest loss is Sylvia as he greatly hearts the HW by leaving but he "just wants respect" well he now really has a chance to get it if he can beat Fedor if not hell be back in the UFC
I think there is a greater chance for him to be back in the UFC if he beats Fedor. If he can't draw well in the UFC how well do you think he will do elsewhere.
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Post #7 5/7/08 11:15:43AM
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I wonder if Lutter and the writer remembers how he missed weight for the biggest fight of his life?????
And than after that he talked alot of smack and gassed at the end of the first round????
And who knows what went on behind the scenes that migh have helped the UFC make this decision
The UFC is a private company located with in the United States of America they can fire and hire who they want.
It bugs the hell out of me how lately there has been a LIBERAL spin on how not far the UFC is 
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Post #8 5/7/08 11:23:16AM
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I wonder if Lutter and the writer remembers how he missed weight for the biggest fight of his life?????
It bugs the hell out of me how lately there has been a LIBERAL spin on how not far the UFC is
AS for the first point, he made a mistake. However, there are other fighters making mistakes involving drugs and they get additional opportunities in the UFC. I think people are coming down on him too hard for this. I think the fact that he missed the opportunity was punishment enough. It's not like missing weight creates a bad image for MMA like drug usage, yet as I just mentioned, many of the fighters that use drugs get a lot more second chances with the UFC.
As to the second point, I personally wouldn't call it a "liberal" spin on things. What I don't like about their roster trimming procedures is that they are based off of marketability (I have said it many times before this article was written) not how good the fighter is. Yet, the UFC always preaches how it is the place for the best fighters. The best fighters are not always the most marketable and vice versa.
Another point I would like to make is that the UFC doesn't seem to be a stable place for a fighter to make a career out of fighting. Yet, their PR seems to make the impression that they are the most stable and biggest organization around.
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Post #9 5/7/08 11:49:35AM
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prozacnation1978
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i think kendall is still on his long term contract,
and lutter is not bj penn, cro cop, wandy, or hendo those guys are in a elite class
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Post #10 5/7/08 11:57:29AM
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BANNED
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its definitely an evil plot, i mean arent u supposed to keep all the crappy fighters so you can make your top tier fighters look good?
oh wait that's the wwe.....my bad.
can i change my answer?
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Post #11 5/7/08 12:01:52PM
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Posted by Rush
Posted by Kracker_Jap
I wonder if Lutter and the writer remembers how he missed weight for the biggest fight of his life?????
It bugs the hell out of me how lately there has been a LIBERAL spin on how not far the UFC is
AS for the first point, he made a mistake. However, there are other fighters making mistakes involving drugs and they get additional opportunities in the UFC. I think people are coming down on him too hard for this. I think the fact that he missed the opportunity was punishment enough. It's not like missing weight creates a bad image for MMA like drug usage, yet as I just mentioned, many of the fighters that use drugs get a lot more second chances with the UFC.
As to the second point, I personally wouldn't call it a "liberal" spin on things. What I don't like about their roster trimming procedures is that they are based off of marketability (I have said it many times before this article was written) not how good the fighter is. Yet, the UFC always preaches how it is the place for the best fighters. The best fighters are not always the most marketable and vice versa.
Another point I would like to make is that the UFC doesn't seem to be a stable place for a fighter to make a career out of fighting. Yet, their PR seems to make the impression that they are the most stable and biggest organization around.
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Post #12 5/7/08 12:07:33PM
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Post #13 5/7/08 1:11:46PM
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I'm really tired of hearing from Travis Lutter. I liked the guy personally before his fight with Franklin. But all I've heard from this guy is excuses and whining since he lost and got cut from the company. Move on Travis, theres still lots of money to be made outside of the UFC go make it. The fact is he really needs to hammer down on his cardio because having to submit guys in the first couple of minutes or gassing just doesn't work out. As for his words on Kendall Grove. I don't blame the UFC for giving him one more chance. Kendall has got followers from his stint on TUF so there is a fan base there. Plus if I'm not wrong I think this is last fight on his contract that he got for TUF so if he loses they will probably just cut him.
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Post #14 5/7/08 3:40:02PM
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Grove is younger and has a brighter future than a nearly 40 yr old with a terrible attitude. This sport is all about marketability and Lutter doesn't have that. He's made a living on should haves and could haves. He almost beat Anderson Silva and almost beat Rich Franklin. The Nazis almost won WWII, the Jazz almost beat the Bulls in the Finals but they didn't. Lutter has this greater image for himself than what is true. Maybe when he starts to realize this then he can truly fulfill his potential as a Mixed Martial Artist. The UFC can sign and cut however they want because it's their company. If they feel someone has a brighter future than by all means sign them and use them how they want. If you aren't ok with that they sign with another company but realize that the UFC is the big leagues and that's where you can achieve gain fame and getting your name out to the public. I should also state that I'm not saying the UFC is the greatest, just stating that more people are going to hear your name if your fighting in the UFC than any other company. Kimbo Slice would be the only exception to that rule.
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