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well i got alves by tko, but its gonna be a close fight
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Post #16 5/3/08 2:42:27PM
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DevonFoxy
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Posted by NatedawgThaM
A. is wrong. Tito beat Matt Hughes in ADCC plus Matt Hughes is nothing but power. Every wrestler in the division would dominate him. Tito actually HAS wrestling skill with that great power. Tito is a better all-around wrestler then Hughes. Tito has taken down EVERYBODY he's ever fought at least once in the fight. Hughes can't say that.
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So your saying because a 205 pound wrestler beating a wrestler who probably at that time was around 170 perhaps even less in a submission wrestling fight he has better wrestling that him?
Sorry but I have to disagree. Hughes is a two-time Division I All-American wrestler Tito won a junior college title and went to a regular college and did nothing. Sorry but when we talk about wrestling Matt Hughes has much better wrestling than Tito's. Dont get me wrong I like Tito and he has pretty good wrestling but Hughes is really in a different league.
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Post #17 5/3/08 5:02:31PM
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Posted by DevonFoxy
Rodney Dangerfield got no respect and apparently Matt Hughes isn't getting any either.
I know Thiago has great stand up but Fitch was able to take him down and hes the only wrestler he has fought. I don't understand where people are saying he has great take down defense. He hasn't been put against a pure wrestle who goes for double legs other than Fitch and he lost that fight.
So perhaps I'm missing something here but I think people are perhaps underrating Matt Hughes in this fight which is shocking. I mean all Alves needs to do is defend the take down and he will win this fight but how many people have been able to do this? It's still Matt Hughes everyone. He looked like crap against GSP but GSP makes everyone look bad. He is tailor made to fight in this division as he is also a great wrestler with better stand up then the rest of the wrestlers in the division. Thiago is going to be great but in this fight it really irks me that people are picking against Hughes especially by TKO!!!! I agree that Hughes is past his prime and not going to get the title any time soon but he is still Matt Hughes. Just think about the pick before you do it is all I ask.
right now, 18 picked hughes, 9 picked alves
looks like respect to me
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Post #18 5/3/08 5:28:23PM
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JBatch
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Career record: 184-96
Season: 19-11 (#2493)
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I am not sure why but I still think Hughes has got it in him to win this fight. The guy is a warrior, the greatest WW if not UFC champion thus far in the organization. I got to go with the farm boy I have never liked him but can not deny he is a great fighter.
Alves is dirty tho and an excellent striker if he does manage to pick Hughes apart and drop him I would not be sad.
Hughes is a stud and SHOULD be able to control this fight on the ground, possibly even submit Alves.
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Post #19 5/3/08 5:58:04PM
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FredThaGR8
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I went with my heart and picked Hughes, I know Hughes is on his way out and wouldn't be surprised when Thiago stalls on the ground considering he is from ATT and knocks my boy out late in the 3rd.
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Post #20 5/3/08 8:38:52PM
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Posted by CantAndleDaRiddum
Posted by DevonFoxy
Rodney Dangerfield got no respect and apparently Matt Hughes isn't getting any either.
I know Thiago has great stand up but Fitch was able to take him down and hes the only wrestler he has fought. I don't understand where people are saying he has great take down defense. He hasn't been put against a pure wrestle who goes for double legs other than Fitch and he lost that fight.
So perhaps I'm missing something here but I think people are perhaps underrating Matt Hughes in this fight which is shocking. I mean all Alves needs to do is defend the take down and he will win this fight but how many people have been able to do this? It's still Matt Hughes everyone. He looked like crap against GSP but GSP makes everyone look bad. He is tailor made to fight in this division as he is also a great wrestler with better stand up then the rest of the wrestlers in the division. Thiago is going to be great but in this fight it really irks me that people are picking against Hughes especially by TKO!!!! I agree that Hughes is past his prime and not going to get the title any time soon but he is still Matt Hughes. Just think about the pick before you do it is all I ask.
right now, 18 picked hughes, 9 picked alves
looks like respect to me
When posted it though the amounts where much worse for Hughes and the post before mine mostly were not favoring Hughes
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Post #21 5/3/08 10:36:31PM
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It's a fairly even fight typical grappler vs striker so anhing can happen. If you think Hughes has no chance you should not comment on mma. My pick is Alves but I wouldn't bet the house on him. Hughes has taken just about everyone down, who hasn't he taken down st. pierre in the 2nd 3rd figth? ya but who has taken st.pierre down. He was even able to take Penn down a few times the 2nd fight. The guy is still matt hughes and i'm a little surprised that so many people still recognize that. Hughes is on his way down and Alves is on his way up but Hughes can still be better.
I know its a little ridiculous for me to pick Alves and defend Hughes. I understand if Hughes is an underdog but people can't count him out completely thats just ridiculous
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Post #22 5/4/08 2:51:45AM
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tylerlee123
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Career record: 101-48
Season: 21-9 (#1056)
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I would love to see Alves take it but man it would be sweet if hughes won
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Post #23 5/4/08 4:11:13PM
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mrkennedy
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Career record: 137-65
Season: 25-5 (#54)
Location: montreal
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i got hughes by decision,but if alves can keep it standing that will be easy for him to win
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Post #24 5/4/08 4:20:38PM
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kaskd
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I won't even talk about the Fitch fight because that was a while ago, and Alves has matured. But looking at the recent Karo fight Alves can be taken down (I know that Karo uses a completely different style of takedown). My point is Hughes only has to get him down once (per round) because he has such great body control. Karo couldn't hold Alves down, but Hughes will and LnP for a UD.
btw all this bs that Hughes can't wrestle... wtf? Where is this all coming from? Have we that easily forgotten how dominant Hughes was? The only guys that beat him recently are freakin BJ Penn, the guy is insanely difficult to takedown, and GSP. Are we really putting Alves at that level?
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Post #25 5/5/08 4:36:23PM
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JWils
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Career record: 133-70
Season: 20-10 (#733)
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The keys to this fight are easy to identify. If it stays on the feet, Alves wins, if it is a ground fight, Hughes wins.
I think this fight will really show the MMA world what Hughes has left and if the game is passing him by. I understand why people are sort of overlooking Hughes' skills since he has got dismantled by GSP twice. But, look as GSP's most recent fights. The man has made everyone look like an amateur.
After thinking about this fight, this is really a perfect matchup for the welterweight division. If Alves wins this fight, the UFC instantly has another young stud contender to work with, if Hughes wins, the UFC still has one of their biggest names near the top of his division.
Very, very interesting matchup and I'm hoping Hughes shows that he still has "it".
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Post #26 5/5/08 4:55:44PM
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vanillavick9
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 116-83
Season: 21-9 (#1195)
Location: Dallas, TX
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Hughes will take him down. Conrol the first round. Get an early takedown in the 2nd. Will attempt and fail submissions. Fight will stand up. Alves cracks his jaw.
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Post #27 5/8/08 12:06:00PM
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keith-hackney1
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Matt hughes will win via destructive ground and pound, i see hughes trapping the arm like he did against penn, when it gets to that point, fights over.
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Post #28 5/8/08 5:18:35PM
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