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Kenny Florian vs. Roger Huerta UFC 87 fight possible
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StevieC
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Career record: 145-106
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Posted by EON
Posted by StevieC
I have Sherk winning a UD. And not because I am from Minnesota. And in peoples minds Penn isn't the champ because he hasn't beat Sherk yet.
Biased and an Oxymoron, sherks not champ because he cheated, many murderers and criminals have passed lie detectors i could name a few, dosnt mean shit, he got caught and hes not the champ because he couldnt cycle them, get over it, you root for a cheater.
Posted by SteveC
Sherk vs Hughes was a very close fight, go back and watch it if you think Hughes won that by domination because he clearly did not.
you are clearly a sherk nuthugger if you think he wasnt dominated 
Posted by SteveC
GSP vs Sherk, ok for one it is GSP probably the best fighter 184 pounds down, maybe the best p4p. So that fact that Sherk got dominated by the best fighter out there is doesn't downgrade Sherk one bit. Penn cut GSP open in the first round, the second and third round totally belonged to GSP. But it was a great fight.
I think Penn beat GSP as do many people, could have been a draw (should have been) this is a fight of styles, Penn has proven he can beat Sherks boring style of fighter time and again this is like people thinking Hendo was gonna hold down Anderson for 5 rounds, just asinine, you will be shocked how Sherk gets outclassed within 1 or 2 rounds
Posted by SteveC
I don't hate BJ, I actually really like him and I think it is going to be the fight of the year. But to say that either one will dominate the other is moronic.
BJ will dominate, guarenteed 
You call me a Sherk nuthugger when you clearly are a BJ nuthugger so talking back and fourth with you it obviously pointless....but I will anyway..
BJ did not beat GSP(GSP won the 2nd and 3rd) and is not the true LW champ until he beats Sherk. Sherk isn't the "official" champ I agree, but BJ isn't the "True" champ until he beats Sherk.
O ya do you know what oxymoron means?? Obviously not because of your statement of murderers and criminals. Your Comp. lesson for the day. 
I will give you something, "IF" BJ wins in will probably be in round 1 or 2 because he will be suckin wind every round after that.....
I know you didn't bring this up but people keep saying he beat Matt Hughes, well true he did, 4 YEARS AGO!!! C'mon people he lost to him just a year and a half ago. By a nice crucifix I might add. And stop all your crying about BJ having a broken rib, it's part of the sport, it happens. Nobody questioned Mir when he broke Silva's arm.
This is a different Penn since being nicknamed "The Prodigy" and this is a different Sherk since his TKO at the hands of GSP. It will be a great fight, not only because they are both great fighters but because of all the bad blood leading up to it.
So again I say anyone who thinks this will be a domination by either is a moron. Feel free to label yourself....
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Post #31 4/22/08 10:38:39PM
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Bj broke his own rib, and Mir wasnt getting outclassed for two rounds before he subbed Sylvia, completely different scenario.
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Post #32 4/22/08 10:41:34PM
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GSPCanada
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I think the Sherk vs BJ argument should go to the BJ vs Sherk discussion....but its such a good discussion I will just stay here and weigh in on it after I talk about Florian vs Huerta
I think Florian has beaten some weak opponents Lauzon got dominated by Manny Gamburyan and Din Thomas looked horrible against Josh Neer but atleast he has beaten all his guys in impressive fashion. Meanwhile Huerta beat Alberto Crane... the only top lightweight he has fought was Guida who was winning that fight up until the choke.
The thing Ive noticed about Florian is he sets a furious pace thats hard to follow he stays so busy and is alwys mounting an offensive whether it be top, bottom or standing It's going to be close but I'm picking Florian but it can go either way and then it will be Florian vs BJ i think even if sherk wins i think the ufc will be reluctant to give the rematch
The old BJ Penn vs Sean Sherk Argument: I give it to BJ but its pretty unpredictable...Bj didn't beat St. Pierre guys nor did he pull through for the draw I can see where the argument comes from however he did dominate GSP the opening round, something Sherk couldn't do and he went to decision but Sherk was straight up destroyed in all fairness sherk was coming off a layoff and there's no way after a long lay off he could have beat gsp allthough I do think he would have lost anyways but not so badly. Bj beat hughes and was obviously more talented and was able to beat him once and was up 20-18 after 2 rounds and its true he broke his rib and thats "part of mma" but so what? is he going to break his ribs against sherk again? pretty doubtful. Sherk lost to hughes he may not have been dominated but he lost convincingly and it was rumoured hughes trained for 2 weeks for that fight
as far as how i believe their fight will or can play out i'm basically with the majority. Bj has great takedown defense when hes not gassed Hughes couldn't take him down St. Pierre couldnt take em down for a while and neither could machida. So i think everyone should agree that sherk won't be able to take penn down for the first 2 round and then the rest is unpredictable because of cardio. The only thing I can say about cardio is sherks is obviously better than bjs but sherk is known for being able to do 5 fights of 5 5 minute rounds BJ only needs to do 25 minutes and if BJ is smart he will know that cardio is what he should be working on above and beyond anything but with that being said BJ was relentless against Stevenson and he reeally wasn't slowing down so I have no reason to believe that BJ can't go minimum 3 rounds.
There is pretty much no way Sherk knocks BJ out and Bj can probably only pull of a RNC i think sherks neck is too strong for a guillotine or a triangle
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Post #33 4/23/08 12:23:53AM
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bigbubbano23
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Huerta 2nd rnd tko
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Post #34 4/23/08 1:01:48AM
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EON
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Posted by StevieC
You call me a Sherk nuthugger when you clearly are a BJ nuthugger so talking back and fourth with you it obviously pointless....but I will anyway..
I like the skilled fighters, So no, i just dont like cheaters and will root against them, if Sherk wasnt a good liar and a boring fighter i might actually root for him. The rest of what you said is just asinine.
Posted by SteveC
BJ did not beat GSP and is not the true LW champ until he beats Sherk. Sherk isn't the "official" champ I agree, but BJ isn't the "True" champ until he beats Sherk.
Well we can agree to disagree on both of these things, a lot of people think that fight should have been a draw or round 2 could have gone to BJ or GSP, good fight (something ive never seen Sherk do except in defeat) And no BJ is the true champ hes the one with the belt not Sherk, he just has to prove he's better than Sherk yeah, Sherk got caught and lied, only his nuthuggers think hes innocent, cheaters lose there accolades / belts, thats life. Think Michael Johnson
Posted by SteveC
O ya do you know what oxymoron means?? Obviously not because of your statement of murderers and criminals. Your Comp. lesson for the day.
Nice try, "Wise Fool"
my example for Sherk would be "Guilty Innocence" since he passed a lie detector that the average person can pass, like i said many a murderers and criminals have passed them, you have to be in the right state of mind and anything is possible
Posted by SteveC
I will give you something, "IF" BJ wins in will probably be in round 1 or 2 because he will be suckin wind every round after that.....
I dont recall a fight where he gasses unless your refering to the GSP fight so thats irrelevent and another Penn haters excuse, not saying he cant gas but havnt seen it, went 3 rounds with Machida, 5 with Pulver and 5 with Uno which he should have won the belt in the first place.
Posted by SteveC
I know you didn't bring this up but people keep saying he beat Matt Hughes, well true he did, 4 YEARS AGO!!! C'mon people he lost to him just a year and a half ago. By a nice crucifix I might add. And stop all your crying about BJ having a broken rib, it's part of the sport, it happens. Nobody questioned Mir when he broke Silva's arm.
Huh? I just like to point of to people why he lost to Hughes at UFC 63 because his hate club thinks he gassed, of corse thats part of fighting what the hell are you getting at? I'm lost, and any ref would have stopped a broken arm thats irrelevent to your fractured point as well.
Posted by SteveC
This is a different Penn since being nicknamed "The Prodigy" and this is a different Sherk since his TKO at the hands of GSP. It will be a great fight, not only because they are both great fighters but because of all the bad blood leading up to it.
If by different Penn you mean improved tenfold yeah, if you mean Sherk doing the same thing hes done in 32 fights against mostly cans then i agree as well
Posted by SteveC
So again I say anyone who thinks this will be a domination by either is a moron. Feel free to label yourself....
so your saying anything CANT happen in this or any fight? if so you sir are the moron, domination can happen, either one could dominate, thats MMA, i feel that BJ is going to dominate and finish it very early, you'll see
Last edited 4/23/08 3:08AM by EON
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Post #35 4/23/08 3:05:54AM
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StevieC
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Career record: 145-106
Season: 41-29 (#1066)
Location: Minnesota
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Posted by EON
Posted by StevieC
You call me a Sherk nuthugger when you clearly are a BJ nuthugger so talking back and fourth with you it obviously pointless....but I will anyway..
I like the skilled fighters, So no, i just dont like cheaters and will root against them, if Sherk wasnt a good liar and a boring fighter i might actually root for him. The rest of what you said is just asinine.
Posted by SteveC
BJ did not beat GSP and is not the true LW champ until he beats Sherk. Sherk isn't the "official" champ I agree, but BJ isn't the "True" champ until he beats Sherk.
Well we can agree to disagree on both of these things, a lot of people think that fight should have been a draw or round 2 could have gone to BJ or GSP, good fight (something ive never seen Sherk do except in defeat) And no BJ is the true champ hes the one with the belt not Sherk, he just has to prove he's better than Sherk yeah, Sherk got caught and lied, only his nuthuggers think hes innocent, cheaters lose there accolades / belts, thats life. Think Michael Johnson
Posted by SteveC
O ya do you know what oxymoron means?? Obviously not because of your statement of murderers and criminals. Your Comp. lesson for the day.
Nice try, "Wise Fool"
my example for Sherk would be "Guilty Innocence" since he passed a lie detector that the average person can pass, like i said many a murderers and criminals have passed them, you have to be in the right state of mind and anything is possible
Posted by SteveC
I will give you something, "IF" BJ wins in will probably be in round 1 or 2 because he will be suckin wind every round after that.....
I dont recall a fight where he gasses unless your refering to the GSP fight so thats irrelevent and another Penn haters excuse, not saying he cant gas but havnt seen it, went 3 rounds with Machida, 5 with Pulver and 5 with Uno which he should have won the belt in the first place.
Posted by SteveC
I know you didn't bring this up but people keep saying he beat Matt Hughes, well true he did, 4 YEARS AGO!!! C'mon people he lost to him just a year and a half ago. By a nice crucifix I might add. And stop all your crying about BJ having a broken rib, it's part of the sport, it happens. Nobody questioned Mir when he broke Silva's arm.
Huh? I just like to point of to people why he lost to Hughes at UFC 63 because his hate club thinks he gassed, of corse thats part of fighting what the hell are you getting at? I'm lost, and any ref would have stopped a broken arm thats irrelevent to your fractured point as well.
Posted by SteveC
This is a different Penn since being nicknamed "The Prodigy" and this is a different Sherk since his TKO at the hands of GSP. It will be a great fight, not only because they are both great fighters but because of all the bad blood leading up to it.
If by different Penn you mean improved tenfold yeah, if you mean Sherk doing the same thing hes done in 32 fights against mostly cans then i agree as well
Posted by SteveC
So again I say anyone who thinks this will be a domination by either is a moron. Feel free to label yourself....
so your saying anything CANT happen in this or any fight? if so you sir are the moron, domination can happen, either one could dominate, thats MMA, i feel that BJ is going to dominate and finish it very early, you'll see
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Post #36 4/23/08 10:49:30AM
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StevieC
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Career record: 145-106
Season: 41-29 (#1066)
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O ya, and I don't hate Penn, I don't know why I have to hate Penn just because I think Sherk is going to win.....
Sherk isn't the only one ever caught with roids. I hope you never say good things about Thiago Alves....or Stephan Bonner etc...cause they all "cheated"
You always say skill will win vs a cheater...Have you ever seen Sherks training? I would say this fight is skill vs skill....
We will see, it will be a great fight and maybe the most anticipated fight of the year!
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Post #37 4/23/08 10:54:45AM
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Violence108
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anybody know about any other fight for this card??
Kenny Florian vs Roger Huerta
Brock Lesner vs Mark Colman
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Post #38 4/27/08 2:31:01PM
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