Kendall Grove: Why the Hate? |
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cowcatcher
MMA Sensei
Career record: 223-120
Season: 49-20 (#64)
Location: Milwaukee
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the hate is because most(let me stress most, not all) mma fans are fairly new and havent followed any one fighter for more than 5 years so there is no real attatchment. this makes being a fairweather fan pretty easy and common in the growing mma fan community. a couple of losses in a row and guys that were swinging from kendalls beanbag are suddenly saying he was never that good. i try not to take any fan that acts likke this too seriously, ie the ones that say CC was overrated or that chuck beat a bunch of cans, because when those guys were winning every time out their nuts were a lot more crowded.
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Post #16 3/25/08 6:33:57PM
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mrliquid
Standup Guy
Career record: 135-98
Season: 38-31 (#3492)
Location: new port richey florida
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Well first it wasn't his first KO he was knocked out 3 times I believe before coming to the UFC once by Joe Riggs wich I thought was a fun fight to watch. I didnt like Kendall since I saw him on TUF but he got worse after the show when he got hooked up with Tito and started training with his camp he got a huge head on him and started thinking he was the shit, fighters talk shit before fights thats common but he would talk like theres noway he could be beat even though he was new to the UFC kinda reminded me of interviews with Tito that I used to watch when he first started out in the UFC so I don't think alot of people dont like him due to his chin or skill I think alot is just the attitude he has and the way he presents himself but thats just my opinion.
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Post #17 3/25/08 6:56:47PM
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Posted by cowcatcher
the hate is because most(let me stress most, not all) mma fans are fairly new and havent followed any one fighter for more than 5 years so there is no real attatchment. this makes being a fairweather fan pretty easy and common in the growing mma fan community. a couple of losses in a row and guys that were swinging from kendalls beanbag are suddenly saying he was never that good. i try not to take any fan that acts likke this too seriously, ie the ones that say CC was overrated or that chuck beat a bunch of cans, because when those guys were winning every time out their nuts were a lot more crowded.
Well said and funny at the same time.  Props to you sir. 
EDIT: Damn, love fairy got me...gotta spread the love.
Last edited 3/25/08 9:15PM by wolfman
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Post #18 3/25/08 9:15:02PM
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Posted by kevietre
Does Kendall really have a weak chin?
Cote and Rivera are two of the hardest hitters in the middleweight divison! Does that mean Mcfedries has a weak chin? NO ! Because he withstood punishment from Alessio Sakara at 205. Cote just has heavy hands and caught Kendall. Same thing with Rivera. Kendall doesn't have the best chin and he's coming off two losses ok. He's at a crossroads in his career. I agree he needs to take fighting more seriously and should get back with Tito again. He'll bounce back. He's been in there with Joe Riggs, Cote, Rivera, Belcher, and even Hector Ramirez. He's got a bright future ahead of him if he trains hard.
Every fighter you mentioned with the exception of Belcher has KOed him. Not only KOed, he has been knocked completely silly in each of those KO's.
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Post #19 3/25/08 10:27:55PM
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candynuts
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I dont mind him, but I just wanted Cote and Rivera to beat him. I gotta say that there was a helluva lot of hype attached to this guy (MUCH like Brandon Vera, if you fail to acknowledge Brandon Vera hype, I will gladly copy and paste threads).
Anyway, I still wouldnt mind to see him in the UFC though.
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Post #20 3/25/08 10:48:55PM
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chubbud22
In Full Mount
Career record: 200-133
Season: 41-29 (#2297)
Location: Central Point OR
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Posted by bullettdodger
The kid just thinks he is better than he really is... That's really it... only draw-back of that is he has no chin, which is just his fate... its not something you can teach, and its definitely not something you can learn, if he focuses on the aspects of his game that ARE solid, we might see some more Grove success....
I agree, and there is a fine line between being cocky and being confident; Grove got cocky after getting a couple of wins. He has been taken off his high horse and I think it will teach him a lesson and help him out in the long run.
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Post #21 3/26/08 2:00:06AM
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NatedawgThaM
MMA Sensei
Career record: 150-91
Season: 44-24 (#1353)
Location: New Providence, Pa
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I don't think he has a very weak chin. Not great, but I don't think it's very weak.
Think about it, he was only KO'd against Cote who is a heavy hitter and makes you pay if you stand with him. Cote stunned and stopped Drew who can take a very good shot. Kendall just got caught in that fight. With Jorge, just totally bad gameplanning. He needs to not clinch or stand, he needs to takedown or pull guard. But Jorge didn't KO him. He hit him with about 10 solid hard shots, he was stunned, but not KO. So I don't think his chin is nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
But I do agree with Rush, he's gotten cocky hanging with Tito and ever since he believes he's a superstar and got to cocky, forgot he's not a stand up fighter and hopefully he got humbled in these last two fights. I also agree with Kpro that it's bad gameplanning too. If he's going to stand he needs to use that long reach and jab to keep the distance until he finds a way to take the fight to the ground. He should also never clinch unless he's not facing a man with a KO win under his belt. That screams a knee or uppercut when he does that.
But I do see a positive future ahead of him. Hopefully I think he got humbled and learned not to stand with people unless he's going to Jab AND counter punch with great agility. But his main priority should be to takedown the striker since his ground game is great and then GNP them out or sub them, or if that don't work, pull guard and use those long legs like Anderson Silva the other Spider to take your opponents back or transition, because long legs in grappling helps you have excellent transitions.
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Post #22 3/26/08 2:33:31AM
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loller90278
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for me :
1. hes openly stated he was high for his first MMA matches.
2. He is very cocky and shows no skill to back it up
3. that stupid tito ortiz finisher digging move
mods: if this is fighter bashing, go ahead and delete my post
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Post #23 3/26/08 3:31:59AM
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Posted by cowcatcher
the hate is because most(let me stress most, not all) mma fans are fairly new and havent followed any one fighter for more than 5 years so there is no real attatchment. this makes being a fairweather fan pretty easy and common in the growing mma fan community. a couple of losses in a row and guys that were swinging from kendalls beanbag are suddenly saying he was never that good. i try not to take any fan that acts likke this too seriously, ie the ones that say CC was overrated or that chuck beat a bunch of cans, because when those guys were winning every time out their nuts were a lot more crowded.
I agree that is part of it. Another thing I have observed is a lot of new fans who got into MMA watching TUF 3 were proclaiming him the next champ. That in turn ticked off people who have been watching MMA for awhile, and they then jumped all over him, to smack down the new fans when he started losing. The same thing happened to Diego Sanchez IMO. Personally I still think Sanchez might be a champ some day. I fear Groves chin is not something that can fixed so easily, and he will never be a top guy because of it.
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Post #24 3/26/08 8:57:24AM
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Franklinfan47
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I don't mind Kendall, despite what he did on the show (even though what he did to Rory Singer was a pretty dick move on his part, even though I don't really like Rory either).
To me, its not so much hate for Kendall as it is disapointment. He was a good prospect coming off of tuf 3, so its a shame to see him get knocked out twice like he did. I mean one more loss and he's gone from the ufc, atleast for a while.
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Post #25 3/26/08 9:25:11AM
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disturbed_fighter
MMA Regular
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the reason i think really has a hard time is that wen he is fighting he will try to grapple on the ground and get punched. hes not transitioning that well to that part of the game i dont think
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Post #26 3/26/08 9:56:57AM
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tylerlee123
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When I seen Grove Destroy Belcher the way he did I thought for sure that he'd be a force but then he got KO'd by Cote and Rivera, I think he will bounce back form these tough losses with a real good win here soon
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Post #27 3/26/08 10:59:09AM
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Posted by hippysmacker
I agree that is part of it. Another thing I have observed is a lot of new fans who got into MMA watching TUF 3 were proclaiming him the next champ. That in turn ticked off people who have been watching MMA for awhile, and they then jumped all over him, to smack down the new fans when he started losing.
Well, I jumped all over Grove even when he was winning. lol, but yeah, I agree. This is an interesting perspective and quite true. Sometimes people get after a fighter just to spite fans that annoy them.
Just something else I want to add to this thread. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you do not have to like a fighter just because he does well and you don't have to dislike a fighter because he doesn't do well.
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Post #28 3/26/08 11:46:47AM
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F--K_Luck_AuH2O
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For the record I would buy a PPV just to watch Marvin Eastman vs. Kendall Grove.
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Post #29 3/26/08 9:31:09PM
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Pyrenus
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He was exposed for not being able to take a punch. He's fun to watch as long as he isn't getting hit. But as soon as something lands; chin, head, above the ear, whatever; he goes down.
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