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Anyone on steroids shouldn't be on that list IMO.


I didnt know there were any proven cases on there. It was thought that Ken did them big time back in the day. And Wand has been accused of doing them often. i don't think anyone else there has been accused of doping.

Shamrock has spoken out against steroids in MMA, saying that they hinder you more than they help. He obviously took them in his stint in the WWF, but I'm honestly not sure if he ever took them during his MMA career.



Check the early UFC's the guy was huge. Way Bigger thant noraml. Up until 2000 Ken Shamrock was huge. Check Mezgers fight with Sak. After Ken stops it (yes Ken) you can look at Ken tellin the Ref off and he just see that he is way to massive. He actually looks around 260 there.

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Sakuraba vs Mezger

looked for it and found it. Okay maybe not 260 but he looks big. and like a A- Hole.

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Anyone on steroids shouldn't be on that list IMO.


I didnt know there were any proven cases on there. It was thought that Ken did them big time back in the day. And Wand has been accused of doing them often. i don't think anyone else there has been accused of doping.

Shamrock has spoken out against steroids in MMA, saying that they hinder you more than they help. He obviously took them in his stint in the WWF, but I'm honestly not sure if he ever took them during his MMA career.



Check the early UFC's the guy was huge. Way Bigger thant noraml. Up until 2000 Ken Shamrock was huge. Check Mezgers fight with Sak. After Ken stops it (yes Ken) you can look at Ken tellin the Ref off and he just see that he is way to massive. He actually looks around 260 there.

Thats because Shamrock was still out of MMA at the time. Don't get me wrong, theres certainly no doubt that he juiced as a pro-wrestler, but I'm on the fence as to whether or not he did during his MMA career.

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Sakuraba vs Mezger

looked for it and found it. Okay maybe not 260 but he looks big. and like a A- Hole.

A big A-Hole? Don't you realize whats actually going there? Shamrock's far from being an A-Hole in that clip, hes being a responsible coach.

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I see 1 messed up thing on that list... I see Mirko CroCop on there but no Rodrigo Nogueira ? Whats up with that ? Nog has accomplished alot more in MMA then CroCop , Nog was the former Pride HVW Champion for YRS in which he dominated competition (before Fedor came) and hes beeen a Top 3 Fighter @ HVW for the past 4-5 YRS now.... not to mention he holds a victory over Mirko... Bottomline Nog > CC when it comes to MMA (until proven otherwise)

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I see 1 messed up thing on that list... I see Mirko CroCop on there but no Rodrigo Nogueira ? Whats up with that ? Nog has accomplished alot more in MMA then CroCop , Nog was the former Pride HVW Champion for YRS in which he dominated competition (before Fedor came) and hes beeen a Top 3 Fighter @ HVW for the past 4-5 YRS now.... not to mention he holds a victory over Mirko... Bottomline Nog > CC when it comes to MMA (until proven otherwise)

Like I said earlier, Nog was ony of the many fighters that just barely made my list, and believe me I'm not denying his talent and success, I just personally think CroCop has more big wins in his career, and alot of them where won in spectacular fashion...

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After last night add Hendo. I'm sure you would have put him on when he retired anyway. Won a UFC one-night tournament. Fought anybody at anyweight. First Pride 183 lb . champ, Pride 205 lb. champ, and most impressively the first fighter ever to hold 2 belts in 2 different weight classes at the same time in either the UFC or Pride

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Sakuraba vs Mezger

looked for it and found it. Okay maybe not 260 but he looks big. and like a A- Hole.

A big A-Hole? Don't you realize whats actually going there? Shamrock's far from being an A-Hole in that clip, hes being a responsible coach.



How is that responsible? The fight was a draw so it was going into a overtime round. Mezger had a chance to finish the fight or win by descision. By making Guy leave he gave him the loss (by forefit). I would also assuem since he lost that match he got a smaller purse.
If that doesnt make you believe Ken in insane i have many more clips to show you.
Shamrock vs Sakuraba
Ken talking smack to Don Frye
Ken Arguing with Tito
Ken vs Tito at a press confrence
There are more out there these are just my personal favourites.

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The steroid comment was referring to Coleman.

I don't think there is definitive proof that Shamrock was on it.

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Sakuraba vs Mezger

looked for it and found it. Okay maybe not 260 but he looks big. and like a A- Hole.

A big A-Hole? Don't you realize whats actually going there? Shamrock's far from being an A-Hole in that clip, hes being a responsible coach.



How is that responsible? The fight was a draw so it was going into a overtime round. Mezger had a chance to finish the fight or win by descision. By making Guy leave he gave him the loss (by forefit). I would also assuem since he lost that match he got a smaller purse.
If that doesnt make you believe Ken in insane i have many more clips to show you.
Shamrock vs Sakuraba
Ken talking smack to Don Frye
Ken Arguing with Tito
Ken vs Tito at a press confrence
There are more out there these are just my personal favourites.



The point you seem to be missing is that the contract for the Mezger/Saku fight did not call for any additional rounds, seeing as Mezger was ill at the time. After the fight went to a draw, the officials somehow decided that an additional round was to happen anyways, most likely to give Saku a chance at the win. So Shamrock, as a responsible coach and someone who wouldnt bow to Pride's on the spot rule change stopped the fight. I personally would have loved to see Mezger and Saku keep going, but I don't blame Ken one bit for standing up for his teammate like that.

As far as those other clips go, how on earth does that make him crazy? Tito always pushed his buttons to make him angry, he had a serious feud with Frye regarding personal comments made to his family, and the stoppage on the Saku fight was one of the worst I've ever seen and just furhter proof that the Japanese have a strong bias towards popular/succesful Japanese fighters (and don't get me wrong, I myself am a Saku fan).

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