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Don't pick against Florian...
Career record: 98-60
Season: 14-7 (#457)
Location: selden, new york
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Posted by Thunderfighting
I think that Randy Couture is the greatest champion of all time. Winning the belt in two divsions is tough, and he proved that you can still be the best no matter how old you are. The same cannot be said about Matt Hughes. Matt Hughes in his "old age"(he is certainly not old, but old in MMA years.) has fallen very far. If i am correct he has lost 3 of his last 4 fights. Sure you can say that he ran into two very good fighters, but then again Couture came back at 40 somthing to gain the heavyweight title back against a very tough Tim Sylvia, and then defeated a monster in Gonzaga. And i am very honest when i say that i think that he would have beaten anyone in his way for at least a couple of more years, but the UFC wouldnt give him his fight that he wanted. And as for Matt Hughes, he will lose to matt serra.....as much as i hate saying that it will be the truth if they even fight. Randy Couture is a 5 time UFC champion and has only been beatin three times as champion (Josh Barnett, Vitor Belfort(who he avenged his loss to.) and Chuck Liddell.). And i also think that only two people as of right now can even begin to contend with that. Anderson Silva(after beating Dan Henderson proved to me that he could be the greatest ever.) or BJ Penn (Has already won to belts in two divisons and if he goes up to beat GSP then very well be the greatest of all time because nobody will beat him at LWT.)
yeah but if you look at Hughes in his prime there is no comparison imo. Hughes has accomplished more then Randy. age has nothing to do with it, and the fact that Randy was old when he won doesn't make him the greatest champion. when deciding this, you have to look at the champions in their prime, and a 9 time world champion is better then some one who doesn't have more then two consecutive title defenses.
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#1 in points: Dream 1: (893pts)
#3 in earnings: Dream 1: ($15,378)
#3 in earnings: World Victory Road: ($2,454)
#3 in points: World Victory Road 2: (77pts)
#4 in earnings: WEC 33: ($17,480)
#11 in earnings: World Victory Road 2: ($17,112)
#17 in earnings: WEC 35 ($6,541)
#25 in points: Dream 2: (63pts)
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Post #61 6/9/08 3:12:48PM
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Thunderfighting
MMA Regular
Career record: 91-58
Season: 12-9 (#2629)
Location: G-Town, Indiana
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But i think you have to look at the age thing just a little. I mean great fighters will always be great fighters. I understand if you put them in their prime there is no comparison. But Hughes will never win another world title like randy did, i doubt that he will ever win against a good opponent. But randy very well could if he decides to fight again.
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Post #62 6/9/08 5:53:07PM
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miphi1991
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 6-15
Season: 3-7 (#6986)
Location: Maryland
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Hughes prime vs. Randy's prime = different weight class, different competition, and i just think its uncomparable. y do we have to compare hughes and couture, imo they are both AMAZING for different reasons
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Post #63 6/9/08 10:06:33PM
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Don't pick against Florian...
Career record: 98-60
Season: 14-7 (#457)
Location: selden, new york
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Posted by Thunderfighting
But i think you have to look at the age thing just a little. I mean great fighters will always be great fighters. I understand if you put them in their prime there is no comparison. But Hughes will never win another world title like randy did, i doubt that he will ever win against a good opponent. But randy very well could if he decides to fight again.
i guess we just have two different interpretations for ranking the best champion...it is all subjective really and i respect your opinion.
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L2, S3 #5 in Overall Points (563pts)
L2 ,S3 #16 in Overall Earnings ($22,302)
#1 in points: Dream 1: (893pts)
#3 in earnings: Dream 1: ($15,378)
#3 in earnings: World Victory Road: ($2,454)
#3 in points: World Victory Road 2: (77pts)
#4 in earnings: WEC 33: ($17,480)
#11 in earnings: World Victory Road 2: ($17,112)
#17 in earnings: WEC 35 ($6,541)
#25 in points: Dream 2: (63pts)
1st member to reach 400 props
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Post #64 6/9/08 11:59:46PM
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Thunderfighting
MMA Regular
Career record: 91-58
Season: 12-9 (#2629)
Location: G-Town, Indiana
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I respect that you have the facts to back up your case and that always makes a good discussion.
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Post #65 6/20/08 11:51:05PM
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miphi1991
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 6-15
Season: 3-7 (#6986)
Location: Maryland
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aww we all respect each other how nice 
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Post #66 6/21/08 1:01:27AM
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Scott_Revels
Banned
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Career record: 146-61
Season: 15-3 (#603)
Location: Losing Location Bets to MFOTHER, lol.
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John Alessio got a title shot? How did he do that? I'm thinking of the same Alessio that fought and loss to Diego Sanchez, and then lost to Condit and Larson in the WEC? Not fighter bashing, but how did he luck into a title shot?
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Post #67 6/24/08 2:05:17AM
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Don't pick against Florian...
Career record: 98-60
Season: 14-7 (#457)
Location: selden, new york
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Posted by Scott_Revels
John Alessio got a title shot? How did he do that? I'm thinking of the same Alessio that fought and loss to Diego Sanchez, and then lost to Condit and Larson in the WEC? Not fighter bashing, but how did he luck into a title shot?
the very same. i don't really know how he got the shot, i mean he was only 7-3 against mediocre competition at the time but he did defeat Ben Earwood who was a strong contender at the time. i guess since the UFC WW division was at its infant stages it really didn't have any legitimate competition so it had to bring in talent based off the promise of a title shot.
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L2, S3 #5 in Overall Points (563pts)
L2 ,S3 #16 in Overall Earnings ($22,302)
#1 in points: Dream 1: (893pts)
#3 in earnings: Dream 1: ($15,378)
#3 in earnings: World Victory Road: ($2,454)
#3 in points: World Victory Road 2: (77pts)
#4 in earnings: WEC 33: ($17,480)
#11 in earnings: World Victory Road 2: ($17,112)
#17 in earnings: WEC 35 ($6,541)
#25 in points: Dream 2: (63pts)
1st member to reach 400 props
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Post #68 6/25/08 10:53:43PM
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Scott_Revels
Banned
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Career record: 146-61
Season: 15-3 (#603)
Location: Losing Location Bets to MFOTHER, lol.
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Wow. Shows you how far they've come. It sounds like what you hear going on in the EliteXC/Strikeforce/Dream's of the world, now. I guess they all have to start somewhere.
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Post #69 7/3/08 11:26:00PM
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Don't pick against Florian...
Career record: 98-60
Season: 14-7 (#457)
Location: selden, new york
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updated
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L2, S3 #5 in Overall Points (563pts)
L2 ,S3 #16 in Overall Earnings ($22,302)
#1 in points: Dream 1: (893pts)
#3 in earnings: Dream 1: ($15,378)
#3 in earnings: World Victory Road: ($2,454)
#3 in points: World Victory Road 2: (77pts)
#4 in earnings: WEC 33: ($17,480)
#11 in earnings: World Victory Road 2: ($17,112)
#17 in earnings: WEC 35 ($6,541)
#25 in points: Dream 2: (63pts)
1st member to reach 400 props
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Post #70 7/6/08 1:37:02PM
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BionicIng
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 166-123
Season: 13-8 (#1404)
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agree with ts
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Post #71 8/4/08 1:26:55AM
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Don't pick against Florian...
Career record: 98-60
Season: 14-7 (#457)
Location: selden, new york
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updated
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L2, S3 #5 in Overall Points (563pts)
L2 ,S3 #16 in Overall Earnings ($22,302)
#1 in points: Dream 1: (893pts)
#3 in earnings: Dream 1: ($15,378)
#3 in earnings: World Victory Road: ($2,454)
#3 in points: World Victory Road 2: (77pts)
#4 in earnings: WEC 33: ($17,480)
#11 in earnings: World Victory Road 2: ($17,112)
#17 in earnings: WEC 35 ($6,541)
#25 in points: Dream 2: (63pts)
1st member to reach 400 props
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Post #72 8/11/08 5:31:47PM
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