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The Anti-Pansy
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I'm home sick, and only capable of starting lame threads.
Every time I see a foot stomp it seems to do, well, nothing. Personally, I think it would hurt like hell (never been on the receiving end of one). Actually, I can't see why a solid one would break the foot fairly easily. Can anyone explain why they are/seem so ineffective?
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Post #1 2/25/08 3:04:15PM
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Smd277
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probably because you are not going to knockout some one so the fighter receiving it cant top the match and hold his foot he will get k/o a smart good fighter has to take the pain and stay concentratedthats what i think
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Post #2 2/25/08 3:22:14PM
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three_days_of_grey
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Actually, this is one of the more decent threads I've seen in recent days. I believe the reason foot stomps seem so ineffective is because they are not used with any regularity. On top of the foot there are approximately 10 bones (metatarsal-5, cuneiforms-3, navicular-1, and cuboid-1) which are fairly covered by tendons/ligaments, and several nerves. If the tendons/ligaments are damaged, of course the corresponding muscle/bone will not respond normally. For nerve damage, well there is pain, tingling, and numbness. If a fighters foot is numb, surely they wont be able to shoot, plant as normal and even thier stance would be affected.
I do not understand why more fighters don't include this into their arsenal while in a clinch. Typically the defensive posture is to defend knee strikes, so why not take advantage and cause some damage that, although wont make a fighter submit, will surely limit their performance and ability?
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Post #3 2/25/08 4:36:24PM
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emfleek
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Bas Rutten recently fielded a question about this subject on a recent episode of Inside MMA. He said that, though they ARE effective, they don't hurt as bad as you would think they'd hurt. He said since there is a slight padding & give to the canvas, it's not as though someone's stomping your foot while you stand on concrete. He said there's a little 'give' which helps to ease the pain.
That being said...I'd probably ball up and cry like a bitch if someone did it to me.
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Post #4 2/25/08 4:45:33PM
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The Anti-Pansy
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Nice. Wow, I thought I was going to get flamed. When I look at that diagram, it looks to me the metatarsals would be easy to break - they're fairly high up on the arch.
I guess the benefits of foot stomps are more hidden, like you're saying, pain, affected stance, inability to shoot. All good points.
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Post #5 2/25/08 4:47:21PM
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hagler
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I was told/taught that a heel stomp a little above the toes was the most effective way too hurt/break someones foot.
BTW, think about gettin that stomp from someone wearing workboots.
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Post #6 2/25/08 9:28:54PM
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Hammer of the Gods
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A few things about foot stomps.
1. Dudes who use lots of trips, like Karo or Couture for instance, should use these more, as if you hurt the guys foot, he'll start putting more weight on the other one, which assists in trips.
2. Guys who throw a lot of leg kicks, like Jardine or Alves, should be using these more as well. If your opponent fights orthodox, stomp the hell out of his right foot. Now his shots will be slower because thats his rear foot, and he'll have trouble backpedaling as well. He'll also put more weight on the front foot, which makes your leg kicks more devastating. GG vs. Werdum is a good example of what happens when someone puts too much weight on their front leg and takes leg kicks, and I'm surprised more guys don't set that kind of lower body attack up with foot stomps early in a clinch-style fight.
3. On the flip side, most stuff that causes pain, like Royce Gracies famous kidney kicks for instance, don't do a damn thing in a fight. They suck for the next few days, but if you're not actually causing damage, its a pointless endeavor.
4. I forget if it was Goodridge or Coleman, but one of them mentioned during a commentary at Pride that they'd stomped a guys foot in UFC and almost busted their own instep, which can happen with a foot stomp if you miss with the heel and hit with the bottom of your foot.
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Post #7 2/26/08 3:14:27AM
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Posted by Svartorm
A few things about foot stomps.
1. Dudes who use lots of trips, like Karo or Couture for instance, should use these more, as if you hurt the guys foot, he'll start putting more weight on the other one, which assists in trips.
2. Guys who throw a lot of leg kicks, like Jardine or Alves, should be using these more as well. If your opponent fights orthodox, stomp the hell out of his right foot. Now his shots will be slower because thats his rear foot, and he'll have trouble backpedaling as well. He'll also put more weight on the front foot, which makes your leg kicks more devastating. GG vs. Werdum is a good example of what happens when someone puts too much weight on their front leg and takes leg kicks, and I'm surprised more guys don't set that kind of lower body attack up with foot stomps early in a clinch-style fight.
3. On the flip side, most stuff that causes pain, like Royce Gracies famous kidney kicks for instance, don't do a damn thing in a fight. They suck for the next few days, but if you're not actually causing damage, its a pointless endeavor.
4. I forget if it was Goodridge or Coleman, but one of them mentioned during a commentary at Pride that they'd stomped a guys foot in UFC and almost busted their own instep, which can happen with a foot stomp if you miss with the heel and hit with the bottom of your foot.
I was just going to make your first point.
Good call!!
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Post #8 2/26/08 1:10:48PM
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Marco ruas used to use so many that it definitely took a toll. I think guys need to do even more. Anything can do damage given enough repetition. Thats what Chinese water torture is based on. While one well placed foot stomp can break bones, 10 partial hits could add up to the same thing IMO.
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Post #9 2/26/08 2:48:16PM
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Whether they cause a lot of damage or not they work well for distractions and setting up other hits or take downs.
It's similar to also trying to hit the body. You are not going to knock anyone out hitting their body, but get them thinking about getting hit in another place, which causes openings.
All in all, I get bored when guys just swing for the head. Sure there are some nice knockouts, but I find it more interesting and effective when guys are hitting all over the body. It changes the fighters' movements and works well for setting up the big finish.
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Post #10 2/26/08 3:03:58PM
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Posted by hippysmacker
Marco ruas used to use so many that it definitely took a toll. I think guys need to do even more. Anything can do damage given enough repetition. Thats what Chinese water torture is based on. While one well placed foot stomp can break bones, 10 partial hits could add up to the same thing IMO.
i agree that several foot stomps can add up to the same damage as one well placed one, but their use goes beyond that as well. even if they do not cause too much damage foot stomps can be effective. as long as the stomps make your opponent move his foot out of position they are very effective in creating situations where you are at an advantage. if you get them to move their foot into a position where you have better leverage, then they did their job. a few well placed, cerebral foot stomps can create takedowns out of stall positions and distract your opponent from other moves. if they are worrying about foot stomps, they may lax a bit in their take down defense or at least in their focus on your body placement. i definitely agree that foot stomps are extremely underused. they can cause damage that limits your opponents arsenal of strikes, limits their mobility, and even if the damage is slight they can be used for optimal positioning for takedowns.
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Post #11 2/26/08 3:04:30PM
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I think they are effective, it is just that it is very hard to land a foot stomp perfectly. So what ends up happening is that the person attempts to do it 5 times just to land one. But they hurt like hell when they land right on your foot.
Look at the guy's face and his reaction to the foot stomp. I forget which Leben fight it was, but he has effective foot stomps, and he caused the other fighter to wince in pain.
They also are good for getting the other person off balance, either for the throw, or for the takedown. If the person has to lift their foot, they will be less balanced.
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Post #12 2/29/08 2:21:01PM
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Mastodon2
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Good thread, but why is this in the padded room? This is a good question and should be in the MMA lounge, as its a relevant technique, Matt Serra for one is a massive advocate of them. All I remember about TUF is Matt Serra screaming "FOOT SCHTOMPZ, FOOT SCHTOMPZ, SHOULDA PRESSURE!" 
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Post #13 2/29/08 4:34:46PM
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Posted by Mastodon2
Good thread, but why is this in the padded room? This is a good question and should be in the MMA lounge, as its a relevant technique, Matt Serra for one is a massive advocate of them. All I remember about TUF is Matt Serra screaming "FOOT SCHTOMPZ, FOOT SCHTOMPZ, SHOULDA PRESSURE!"
That's our good old Long Island accent for you
and i agree this should be in the Training section or MMA Lounge
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Post #14 2/29/08 5:05:47PM
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There's a lot of really good points here about why they should be used. Many of them I definitely agree with.
On the flipside-
In a clinch situation against judo and Greco roman wrestling guys taking away one part of your base can be hugely detrimental, even if for only a second. The weight from that one foot being lifted off the ground has to go somewhere, and generally when a foot stomp is used in a clinch the weight goes against the body of whom you're leaning on. Ask any Judoka or Greco wrestler out there and they'll tell you- leaning on them without a proper base spells bad news for you. It's already been discussed that they're most effective when used in a cumulative nature, but that also sets up a pattern. Those Judoka and Greco guys are going to be waiting for your next foot stomp if you keep throwing them, and they're going to have something in mind that ends up with you on the mat. Lifting your foot up off the ground opens up a perfect opportunity for a foot sweep take down or one of those pain in the ass Judo throws. (Guess whether or not I wrestled or did Judo.. haha)
Another thing to keep in mind is that in a fight you've got to conserve energy. Contrary to what may be popular belief, a heavy foot stomp can actually use up a lot of energy- and for what result? How many times throughout the course of MMA have we really seen a foot stomp be the determining factor in a fight?
In closing I'm not saying that a foot stomp can't be useful. I'm not even saying that people shouldn't be doing them more. But I am saying there are a lot of factors here to be weighed.
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