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mitch475
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 86-57
Season: 11-12 (#6830)
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Just wondering what background gives you the best advantage?
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Post #1 2/25/08 8:46:44AM
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disturbed_fighter
MMA Regular
Career record: 147-95
Season: 38-32 (#3044)
Location: USA
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they always seem to be hyped up the most bcuz after they get the striking and jiu jitsu down they have an advantage on the whole game
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Post #2 2/25/08 8:52:43AM
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CactusBob
MMA Regular
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I would have to say wrestling is a strong background. Not just for the actual skill set you develop, but also the physical strength, athleticism, and work ethic associated with successful wrestling. Also, wrestlers are practiced at cutting weight, making a transition to MMA easier.
Of course, you have to know how to throw a punch otherwise you will run into some sprawler and brawler. But overall wresling gives you a strong begining ground game to build on.
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Post #3 2/25/08 8:55:19AM
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postman
MMA Sensei
Career record: 149-93
Season: 42-28 (#1631)
Location: Delmont ,Pa
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Royce already answered this one.
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Post #4 2/25/08 10:53:44AM
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RIP Evan Tanner 1971-2008
Career record: 108-58
Season: 44-26 (#796)
Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
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i know it's not karate. judo should be an option.
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Post #5 2/25/08 11:12:58AM
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MMA Sensei
Career record: 221-124
Season: 45-23 (#281)
Location: In the cheap seats.
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If you live in the United States, and if for some reason you're only studying one discipline, I would say wrestling, hands-down.
Outside the US, it would probably be something else. Sambo in Russia, for instance, or judo in Japan.
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Post #6 2/25/08 11:32:38AM
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mitch475
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 86-57
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Good point on where you are plays a big role, and this is purely hypothetical obviously any fighter who only trained in one would get his shit tossed. And ya the karate option was a filler I missed judo.
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Post #7 2/25/08 12:19:52PM
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fullerene
MMA Sensei
Career record: 184-92
Season: 42-28 (#1511)
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A lot of ways to look at this. In America wrestling is the #1 feeder sport, but this is largely because it is so widely practiced and well-organized that by a time someone makes it to what seem like even a modest level--like D-1 starter--he's competed in hundreds of matches against other well-trained wrestlers and he would have had to havee won the overwhelming majority of those. The same can't be said for someone who trains 5-10 years of karate or jiu-jitsu.
But wrestling is the one sport up there that offers no specific way to finish a fight. Boxing, karate, Muay Thai, etc. teach techniques to KO an opponent. BJJ, Judo, etc. teach ways to submit. Wrestling teaches ways to move and control an opponent relative to the ground, but not any way (other than a bad landing) to finish them. Even some of the positions, like a wreslter's base, are impractical in an MMA fight. So in some ways it's the least applicable it just has the best filtering system for getting top athletes to the highest levels of the sport.
I''ll still answer "wrestling", but if the same level athletes were competing across all sports, with the same quality of opponents, coaches and competitions then I think someone with a Muay Thai background would best be able to make the tranistion to MMA.
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Post #8 2/25/08 12:50:42PM
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candynuts
Belt Contender
Career record: 113-76
Season: 46-24 (#628)
Location: I am nomadic, and lets leave it at that.
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Posted by postman
Royce already answered this one.
Yep.
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Post #9 2/25/08 12:54:07PM
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ChokeUout
MMA Regular
Career record: 144-104
Season: 40-27 (#1511)
Location: Wisconsin
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Posted by candynuts
Posted by postman
Royce already answered this one.
Yep.
When? At the very first UFC's when he dominated? Or at UFC 60 Where he got Dominated by the Wrestler?
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Post #10 2/25/08 1:14:33PM
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MMA Sensei
Career record: 221-124
Season: 45-23 (#281)
Location: In the cheap seats.
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Posted by fullerene
A lot of ways to look at this. In America wrestling is the #1 feeder sport, but this is largely because it is so widely practiced and well-organized that by a time someone makes it to what seem like even a modest level--like D-1 starter--he's competed in hundreds of matches against other well-trained wrestlers and he would have had to havee won the overwhelming majority of those. The same can't be said for someone who trains 5-10 years of karate or jiu-jitsu.
Right, that's the biggest reason that it makes a difference where you're from. I think you would want to get involved in whatever the local fight sport is, just for the sake of getting into sport fighting. In the US, wrestling can be practiced from a young age through to Olympic-level competition, just about anywhere. My guess is at least 75% of American high schools have a competitive boys' wrestling team. In Bangkok, you can probably find a Muay Thai school every couple-hundred yards and fight in a tournament every weekend (I'm guessing, I've never been to Bangkok, but you know what I mean).
Posted by fullerene
But wrestling is the one sport up there that offers no specific way to finish a fight. Boxing, karate, Muay Thai, etc. teach techniques to KO an opponent. BJJ, Judo, etc. teach ways to submit.
I agree, but...
Posted by fullerene
Wrestling teaches ways to move and control an opponent relative to the ground, but not any way (other than a bad landing) to finish them. Even some of the positions, like a wreslter's base, are impractical in an MMA fight. So in some ways it's the least applicable it just has the best filtering system for getting top athletes to the highest levels of the sport.
I disagree with you here. I think the fact that wrestling doesn't have "finishes" like the other sports do actually provides a very strong foundation for MMA. Strength, speed, conditioning, positioning, body control and opponent control are all key in wrestling and are all immediately applicable to MMA.
Posted by fullerene
I''ll still answer "wrestling", but if the same level athletes were competing across all sports, with the same quality of opponents, coaches and competitions then I think someone with a Muay Thai background would best be able to make the tranistion to MMA.
Right, not all sports are created equal. A 9-yr-old kid in Ohio is in a different situation from a 9-yr-old kid in Bangkok. (However, I think a pure Muay Thai fighter might have the same problem with a pure wrestler that all the strikers did against grapplers like Royce Gracie, Kazushi Sakuraba, and Mark Coleman, back in the day.)
Posted by candynuts
Posted by postman
Royce already answered this one.
Yep.
Well, I see two ways the OP's question could be interpreted, and I think Royce only answered one of them:
1. Which martial art does the best by itself in an MMA match?
2. Which martial art is the best base upon which to then train MMA?
Gracie answered #1 in the early '90s, and it was the only question he was asking at the time. #2 may become a moot point before we can answer it definitively, as people start to train in MMA first, without a strong foundation in any other style.
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Post #11 2/25/08 1:33:46PM
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MMA Sensei
Career record: 221-124
Season: 45-23 (#281)
Location: In the cheap seats.
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Posted by ChokeUout
When? At the very first UFC's when he dominated? Or at UFC 60 Where he got Dominated by the Wrestler?
Exactly. Royce Gracie inadvertently answered two questions: First, pure grappling styles have an edge on pure striking styles in MMA. Second, any single style is at a disadvantage in an MMA match against an MMA fighter.
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Post #12 2/25/08 1:36:11PM
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Tein_Lung
Standup Guy
Career record: 51-33
Season: 15-9 (#6176)
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Posted by ChokeUout
Posted by candynuts
Posted by postman
Royce already answered this one.
Yep.
When? At the very first UFC's when he dominated? Or at UFC 60 Where he got Dominated by the Wrestler?
he also had food poisoning and Royce is a natural 175 pound guy and was small to fight hughes.. if he wanted to Royce could of made 155
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Post #13 2/25/08 1:51:05PM
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GREENMAN!!!!
Career record: 134-73
Season: 50-20 (#178)
Location: selden, new york
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in my opinion, sambo is the closest thing to MMA fighting. combat sambo incorporates both the ground game and striking. it goes over takedowns, throws, submissions, ground positions, punches, kicks, combinations from striking to takedowns...just the complete MMA package. i don't personally take sambo, but i would if i could. just look how well fedor and aleks do, not to mention AA. however, JJ is essential to know, and now most styles incorporate some JJ principles in them. i know sambo takes some things from JJ (as well as from judo and other arts), but JJ principles are pretty much essential in today's MMA game. on the other hand, unlike popular belief you don't have to train in JJ as long as it is some type of submission art. you can train in sambo and judo and be just as prepared submission wise as JJ would leave you. submissions are necessary to learn, so of your choices i picked JJ (because of the name obligation  ) but for the overall MMA game i would go with sambo.
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Post #14 2/25/08 3:23:17PM
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CactusBob
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Career record: 28-12
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I see it like this... A wrestler who has rudimentary striking fares better than a striker with rudimentary ground skills, if you look at the successful fighters you see this trend. Of course, you look at the champions, they are all very well rounded in the higher level organizations.
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Post #15 2/25/08 3:29:33PM
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