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Keeping the pimp hand strong
Career record: 181-78
Season: 47-23 (#525)
Location: Oklahoma
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I will say this I was a big Fedor fan back when he was active and fighting top HW in the world. But that respect has just slowly slipped away. He has avoided fighting top HWs for almost 3 years now. People will say he wasn't avoiding them but truth is the fights were there he just didn't take them. He has become a sideshow now and not the old warrior he was. To truly respect an active fighter you shouldnt have to defend them. They should be able to defend themselves by fighting other top fighters in the world. All the truly great fighters never avoid the tough fights.
I have Fedor Ranked 4th in my list right now and dropping. With Tim Sylvia, Randy Couture, and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira a head of him. I don't know how much longer I will be leaving Randy up there either. But Randy has earned it for now.
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Post #31 2/15/08 3:29:44AM
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Tein_Lung
Standup Guy
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I don't see how anyone has Tim in their Top 5 personaly, hes a 1 trick pony, anyone who figures out ow to get past his fits beats him fairly easy, hes got pretty much 0 ground game and randy and nog both proved it... He is the opposite of Matt Hughes who is nothing but a ground game and no striking, and now that everyone knows it hes gonna keep on losing just like Tim will
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Post #32 2/15/08 3:34:05AM
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JBatch
In Full Mount
Career record: 206-114
Season: 41-29 (#2608)
Location: Windsor
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I've said that Emelianenko is the best fighter ever and when Pride was in full swing, Fedor was king. Yet when ranking someone who is supposed to be currently active and facing good comp. Fedor fails in every criteria right now.
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As for Choi, jump off his balls please. The guy is not a good MMA fighter, he is a spectacle, a freak show if you will. Its sad for me to say because I do not like Tim but he would beat Choi in a ring, maybe not the octagon if Choi knew ho to use it.
I just did my research and looked at every Hong Man Choi fight there is. He is nothing special just as I expected. Pookie makes im sound like some kickboxing wizard. All he has is his front knee that is at most of his opponents head level but not at Tims. If Bob Sapp had a technique or a gas tank at least he would have beat him no problem. His wins come due to his size he fights guys a foot shorter and 120 lbs lighter or a foot shorter and the same weight or guys with limited kickboxing credentials. Timmy is what like 6 inches shorter and could probably fight him at like 290. It is a fight that looks like it is getting closer to happening and I would love to see it.
My question for you guys speaking of how great he is, is why?? What makes you think he would beat Tim in an mma fight??? You stated earlier because they are th same they ar nowhere close. Tim has years of ground exprience on him.
I said no such thing, i said he was a K-1 champ. Saying Jerome lebanner has limited kickboxing credentials is leaping over the line of hyperbole and into the realm of insanity.
You're arguement that Choi only wins because of his size is 100% true, but it's the exact same reason that Tim wins his fights.
The fact of the matter is that Choi still has a size advantage over tim, while tim is coming in as the smaller man as once.
Tim has years of ground experience on him? Defensively sure, but hes never taken anybody down before. And considering Fedor couldnt get Choi down, a 6'9" man who has never trained to take people down is not going to have even a mediocre shot in taking him down. He cannot do it.
The fight will stay a stand-up fight, because niether has the tools to force it too the ground.
On the feet Choi is much more dangerous, durable and has the reach advantage. This means sylvia is, for the very first time in his career, going to have to move foraward and slip someone elses punches.
Use your noggin dude, stylistically sylvia would have to change everything that has made him successful this far going into the match.
If anyone is hugging nuts here its you.
I just hope that fight happens. One because I hope Tim leaves the UFC and two because it will show how bad Choi is.
1) Tim's size advantage is limited compared to Choi's. Usually 4-5 inches and 20 lbs. Compared to 10-12 inches and 100-120 lbs.
2) I will say Choi did face one or two good competitors and he lost to them, thier speed and technique killed him.
3) Lets end the war of words. There is no way we can tell who would win this fight until Tim leaves the UFC, which I hope is soon.
I bet you 100% you thought Shogun would dsmantle Griffin because he was a better Forrest but...
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Post #33 2/15/08 12:45:40PM
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fullerene
MMA Sensei
Career record: 184-92
Season: 42-28 (#1511)
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My feelings about Fedor Emelianenko are that he is the greatest HW fighter the short-lived sport of MMA has ever seen. He went on a streak of wins from about 2003-2006 that no other MMA HW has matched, including beating guys with many different skillsets and sizes.
I consider him to be semi-retired now. He lives the life that interests him--doing a bit of MMA, a bit of Sambo, relocating his fight promotion back in his home country, etc. I can understand this from a personal level but I'm disappointed as a fan.
He hasn't been fighting and beating the best comp in the world for the last year or two and so I can understand people considering him the #1 fighter. The reputation of HWs today is suffering by comparison in the same way HW boxing's "dark eras" always followed the reign of a great champ. No one today has emerged to be as dominant (or as good IMO) as Fedor was in 2004. There's no way of knowing if he's even as good as he was in 2004, but the perception will always be that the sport is missing their best fighter until he either gets back into a series of high profile fights or until another great champion rises above the rest of the division and makes everyone but die-hards forget about Fedor.
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Post #34 2/15/08 12:58:29PM
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The People's Mod
Career record: 152-91
Season: 47-23 (#137)
Location: Getting choked out or arm barred
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I still think Fedor is the greatest HW in the world.
That's perfectly understandable for people to make their points about his inactivity and such. I even agree with you as far as a legitimate ranking system goes. Sure, rank him 3rd, 4th or even 189th in the HW world. However, if it came down to Fedor and anyone else in the cage (besides Randy Couture) I wouldn't even think for 2 seconds about who my pick was going to be. Couture I might have to think about for 4 or 5 minutes
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Post #35 2/15/08 2:29:23PM
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cj_striker
MMA Regular
Career record: 91-62
Season: 33-24 (#3216)
Location: sebring, fl
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I completely agree with Fedor not being ranked #1 pound for pound fighter in the world, only because of his competition in the past few years, not based on his talent. I know you could say Fedor can't control who they put in front of him, but you just get the feeling he could have made more of an effort to fight better opponents. But after Silva gets beat by Hendo, that will make either GSP or Hendo #1 and Fedor a close #3 or #4 based on how far Silva will fall. But the bottom line is I love Couture, but if that fight ever happens (Fedor should be praying it does and continue doing everything in his power to make it happen) Fedor will go back to #1 after he beats Couture and CroCop again. Fedor is the most well rounded fighter in MMA, not a god or anything, but until a heavyweight steps up and proves me wrong, those are my feelings about it. And for the record I feel overall GSP is a better pound for pound fighter than Silva, if you look at his overall ability as a fighter.
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Post #36 2/15/08 3:34:55PM
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thatfedorsohotrightnow
banned
Career record: 96-75
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Joe Rogan's couch rolling a fatty
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Slack should be cut in regards to his inactivity. The org he was in went out of business. MMA is in a transitional phase and I am sure all the Fedor haters will soon see the light. Nog owning the UFC and Fedor owning all outside of UFC.
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Post #37 4/8/08 1:03:44AM
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The-Don
In Full Mount
Career record: 107-88
Season: 40-30 (#1957)
Location: TN
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Posted by telnights
I will say this I was a big Fedor fan back when he was active and fighting top HW in the world. But that respect has just slowly slipped away. He has avoided fighting top HWs for almost 3 years now. People will say he wasn't avoiding them but truth is the fights were there he just didn't take them. He has become a sideshow now and not the old warrior he was. To truly respect an active fighter you shouldnt have to defend them. They should be able to defend themselves by fighting other top fighters in the world. All the truly great fighters never avoid the tough fights.
I have Fedor Ranked 4th in my list right now and dropping. With Tim Sylvia, Randy Couture, and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira a head of him. I don't know how much longer I will be leaving Randy up there either. But Randy has earned it for now.
WEll I guess FEdor is above Tim now...
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Post #38 9/5/08 2:17:57PM
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MFOTHER
In Full Mount
Career record: 76-37
Season: 38-15 (#3325)
Location: FL
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why bring back a 7 month old thread to make a statment about a fight that happened a month ago, in a forum about the ufc which fedor has never fought for?
"well i guess FEdor is above Tim now..." yes. you are right. thanks for the input
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Post #39 9/5/08 2:28:46PM
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Taylor8766
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Season: 44-26 (#954)
Location: Ontario, Canada
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IMO Fedor is the #2 HW in the world behind Couture and Couture will prove that when he beats Lesner, as for P4P I have him #3 behind GSP and Anderson Silva, the main reason is beacause of his lackluster opponents over th past two years,
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Post #40 9/5/08 2:32:10PM
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MFOTHER
In Full Mount
Career record: 76-37
Season: 38-15 (#3325)
Location: FL
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Posted by Taylor8766
IMO Fedor is the #2 HW in the world behind Couture and Couture will prove that when he beats Lesner, as for P4P I have him #3 behind GSP and Anderson Silva, the main reason is beacause of his lackluster opponents over th past two years,
where would you rank Bj out of curiosity?
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Post #41 9/5/08 2:42:22PM
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george112
Self-Proclaimed
Career record: 135-97
Season: 27-22 (#4216)
Location: Texas
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Posted by Taylor8766
IMO Fedor is the #2 HW in the world behind Couture and Couture will prove that when he beats Lesner, as for P4P I have him #3 behind GSP and Anderson Silva, the main reason is beacause of his lackluster opponents over th past two years,
haha serioulsly dude?
come one Couture # 1??
wat has he done?besides be old.and beat an over-hyped gonzaga and a sloth like sylvia?ill tell you NOTHING.he isn any where close to bein number 1 heavy weight in the world.
Couture hasnt proved anything besides exposing gonzaga as a one fight fluke.who by the way got WAY WAY overrated just cause he landed a devasting kick on crocop.and sylvia who had it coming.
So why is couture getting all this praise from these 2 victories??well ill tell you.its cause people are so stuck up his ass that all they see is a relatively old guy with the UFC belt around his waist.
hes not even on fedors level.this is wat happened when sylvia was still the UFC champ.all everyone wanted to see was sylvia vs. fedor.well that finally happened and he got his ass handed to him in 36 seconds.
fedor is lightyears ahead of couture skill wise.and victory wise.and i might add that fedors competition is above coutures as well.
i just dont understand the whole couture is #1 argument.if u can tell me why he is than please enlighten me
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couture will not beat lesnar.
hes to weak.his wrestling is inferior.and he will get taken down and beaten on.lesnar is just to big and strong for him.nothing in his skill set is enough to take out lesnar.or fedor for that matter.
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Post #42 9/5/08 2:59:06PM
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