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JBatch
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I know there are posts with how Dana feels about him and how he feels abou dana. Then there is Joe Rogans opinions on the whole situation. I am wondering how us the general public the MMA fan feels about his situation.
Do you see him as a trailblazer paving the way for the likes of Couture, CC and possibly Big Tim to turn away from the big dog the UFC?
Is he so good he is making the top competition come to him?
Was he selfish/scared ( I hate to use the word scared here) to join the UFC when he saw what was happening to CC and other Pride vets??
I just want to know the general consensus among people the post on here often and whose opinions I do value as informed, is Fedor with all his inactivity and his lack of top competition in the last 2 years still Top HW and basically the best fighter in the world????
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Post #1 2/14/08 3:21:27PM
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The Cowboys Mod
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Top HW, yes. Top Fighter, no-Anderson Silva is now #1 to most. Fedor hasn't really fought really tough opposition since the Matt Lindland fight (when Lindland jumped all the way up from MW), although there's been rumors of another CC fight, which is just what he needs although everyone knows the only fight that might really make him happy is Couture.
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Post #2 2/14/08 3:28:00PM
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StevenSeagal
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Holy  Batman!!!
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Post #3 2/14/08 3:35:31PM
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JBatch
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Posted by StevenSeagal
Holy Batman!!!
Its not supposed to be beating a dead horse my friend and if thats how you feel don't read the post. I am basically trying to decipher common opinions. I read all over the place on different sites all the experts views I am trying to find out what the general fan feels.
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Post #4 2/14/08 3:38:30PM
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waylon_o
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I hate to say it, but he has finally slipped from #1 in my book. I was a Fedor nuthugger, but I don't see how someone can still have him as #1 anymore. He needs to fight a top 10 guy at least to show everyone he still has it. I'm not saying he doesn't still have it because come on man, it's Fedor. I think there are a few interesting opportunities about to open up though. He definitely needs to stay away from the Hong Man Chois and the Bob Sapps of the world. He is only risking a very disappointing and embarassing loss by fighting these people. At LEAST keep it in the top 15 man.
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Post #5 2/14/08 3:40:41PM
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Laying down the beats
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There haven't been very many, if any, real top ten type fights in the HW divisions throughout MMA. Most of the big names have been pretty quiet or have only rematched each other. The smaller names have not made enough noise for me to put them in my top 10 list.
Nothing significant has happened such that I feel the need to add fighters into the top then that were not there a year ago, nor remove fighters that were already in my top 10. I've made a few adjustments over the past year, but nothing really major (Cro Cop and Syvia moving down) and leaving a few empty slots.
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Post #6 2/14/08 4:15:12PM
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Pookie
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Ok hmm.... where to start.
I wouldnt say that hes so good that he makes the competition come to him (except in couture's case). But he is good enough that i have yet to see a single hole in his fight game.
The two years without facing top competition is a little askew though. He was a free agent for 8 months. If zuffa hadnt of bought pride he would have fought other top competition IMO. It's just that he couldnt. Then the UFC gave him a contract that he didnt like so he didnt sign it. So he went to m-1. People complain about him fighting hong man choi, but people dont realize how big of a name choi is in japan. He was the only fighter k-1 was willing to offer him. In a co-promotion your hands are sort of tied. But we'll see as it seems anybody worth a damn in the division is leaving the ufc other than nog.
As far as his standing as #1 in the HW division. I support this claim. Not because "omgz hes indestructable rabble rabble" but because theres no one else deserving more than him. The only person you could logically make a case for is nog, but fedor is like nog x2 in practically every area (with the exception of a pain threshold, that attribute nog is unparalleled). Anyone nog can beat fedor can beat in the same manner. And when you pit them against each other Fedor wins a one-sided victory everytime. Some might say "well, what about couture." IMO coutures level of competition has been worse then fedor's. Gonzaga and sylvia(with a back injury at that) does not quite add up to Hunt, Choi(who is like sylvia x2) and lindland.
Also Lindland is really really underrated. People are saying well hes a mw...
When he moved up to fight Rampage at LHW he brang it to a split decision. And at this time rampage was training with Ibarra already. It was the same rampage who fought chuck and hendo, the only difference is that lindland gave him a MUCH tougher fight. If lindland decided to fight at LHW id rank him easily in the top 5.
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Post #7 2/14/08 4:15:53PM
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Laying down the beats
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Posted by waylon_o
He definitely needs to stay away from the Hong Man Chois and the Bob Sapps of the world. He is only risking a very disappointing and embarassing loss by fighting these people. At LEAST keep it in the top 15 man.
Caveat Emptor
Fedor made a comment on his website that he likes interesting fights. He likes fighting different fighters each with their own little quirks. He seems less concerned with "winning" per se and more interested in the competition.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't care to see the same fighters fight over and over again. Sylvia-Arlovski or Ortiz-Shamrock, those were ridiculous. What happens if he comes to the UFC, we see Fedor and Nog fight for the three more times?
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Post #8 2/14/08 4:21:46PM
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Pitbull09
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I think he is the top Heavyweight fighter in the world but he is overrated. Thats not saying he isnt good but people make him out to be god along with all other Pride fighters when the orgs were seperate.
Henderson < Jackson
Wandy <Liddell
Nog almost got KOed by Hearring
CC < Insert UFC fighter here
Werdum < AA
This isnt an all out blast of UFC vs Pride cause thats just stupid. Its just showing how fighters that wee thought were at a whole other level had trouble with guys that never got a shot at them.
I understand the rules difference and ring/cage thing to but in the end people must admitt no fighter should have a status that Fedor has and all fighters eventually meet their match.
Other than that, the HW ranking are so screwed right now since Fedor is in M-1, Couture and Barnett havnt fought for a long time, CC has had two bad fights, and Nogeria is in a somewhat weak division. I really have no idea how to rank fighters in this division right now but I can tell you Fedor still deserves the #1 spot since Couture left UFC. Anyone who argues, be patient and wait til Fedor/Couture 
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Post #9 2/14/08 4:47:27PM
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TNunley
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Posted by Rush
Posted by waylon_o
He definitely needs to stay away from the Hong Man Chois and the Bob Sapps of the world. He is only risking a very disappointing and embarassing loss by fighting these people. At LEAST keep it in the top 15 man.
Caveat Emptor
Fedor made a comment on his website that he likes interesting fights. He likes fighting different fighters each with their own little quirks. He seems less concerned with "winning" per se and more interested in the competition.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't care to see the same fighters fight over and over again. Sylvia-Arlovski or Ortiz-Shamrock, those were ridiculous. What happens if he comes to the UFC, we see Fedor and Nog fight for the three more times?
I didn't know Canadians spoke Latin.
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Post #10 2/14/08 4:48:14PM
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I didn't know Canadians spoke Latin.
Some of us even speak French. 
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Post #11 2/14/08 4:52:38PM
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waylon_o
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Posted by Pookie
IMO coutures level of competition has been worse then fedor's. Gonzaga and sylvia(with a back injury at that) does not quite add up to Hunt, Choi(who is like sylvia x2) and lindland.
I'm not blasting you or anything, but do you really think Hong Man Choi is Tim Sylvia x2?
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Post #12 2/14/08 5:00:13PM
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waylon_o
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Posted by Pookie
IMO coutures level of competition has been worse then fedor's. Gonzaga and sylvia(with a back injury at that) does not quite add up to Hunt, Choi(who is like sylvia x2) and lindland.
I'm not blasting you or anything, but do you really think that Hong Man Choi is Tim Sylvia x2? Please delete my last post...
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Post #13 2/14/08 5:02:38PM
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waylon_o
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DAMNIT haha I'm trying to quote Pookie's post on Sylvia. Pookie said Hong Man Choi was Tim Sylvia x2...I was just asking (not blasting) Pookie if he honestly thought Choi was Sylvia x2? MOD please delete my last 2 posts
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Post #14 2/14/08 5:05:12PM
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I agree with most of the people posting def. the top Heavyweight by a good margin but I have Henderson above him P4P. I think he will beat Anderson and just destroy that division leaving soon after and fighting some of the great LHW's in the UFC and perhaps hold the title there as well.
I think if Henderson does in fact defeat The Spider the UFC only fans are gonna have another fighter to drool over. Man can't be knocked out and his stand up is so well put together now along with his Olympic wrestling and his training in Judo (which hes been training with a Silver Medalist in the Olympics) hes a major threat for any guy. I can't get over this guy he just went 5 rounds with the UFC LHW champion and it was a match i personally think could have gone either way.
Dan Henderson is the P4P best fighter in the world.......IMO
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