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i think silva will knock him out via strikes by the knees maybe, he will break him down might go a couple rounds i just don't see hendo beating him unless it goes to the judges, dan is good but silva is riding high right now, hendo could beat anyone else in that division it will be a hell of a fight

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some good thoughts on this fight...here's mine:

First off, anyone who compares this fight to Henderson vs. Rampage, PLEASE DON'T! The fights are absolutely nothing alike.

Now then, The fight itself. I got alot to say, so here it goes:

I could actually see Anderson winning this in several ways. If this fight stays on the feet, then it's only a matter of time before Hendo goes down. Yes, Hendo has a great chin and a hard head, but He's never faced a stiker of the caliber of an Anderson Silva, and yeah, Hendo HAS faced some deadly strikers. However, I think Anderson's Technique, accuracy and Quickness Are Probably the best in MMA as far as stand up fighting is concerned. However, What impressed me about Silva, especially in the second franklin fight, is his stand up defence. He'll block 50% of what you throw at him, and dodge another 30%, which is why you see he's never been knocked out. Now, Hendo Has a Big right hand, and we all know, But Can he connect with silva? I personally don't think so. I think Silva Quickness and Defence makes it near impossible to connect with a big fight-ending shot. Morevoer with Silva's Quickness, I think he'll use that to keep the fight on his feet as much as possible. If he can do that, henderson will go down.

Henderson's strength is obviously his greco. He loves the clinch. The clinch will be the most intriging part of this fight: Henderson's Greco vs. Silva's Muy thai. Will hendo be able to get in close enough to silva to use it without getting his nose broken via knee to the face? Will silva be too quick for him? I'm gonna give Henderson the benefit of the doubt and say he'll be able to get him down at least once or twice. Once he's there, I don't know if he'll be able to finish Silva. Silva is VASTLY underrated on the ground, and is pretty good at advoiding damage if you wanna look at the marquart or franklin fights. He's good at sweeps and it's not easy to pass his guard (Please don't talk about the Lutter fight where Silva had two surgecally repaired knees). That being said, Henderson's JJ game is underrated too, But Seeing that they are both pretty good at BJJ, I don't see either ending this by sub, but I think Silva has the better chance of it. Yes, Hendo has only been subbed twice, but who did It? Big Nog and Lil Nog, Silva's Training Partners. Just throwing it out there...

I agree that this fight has the potential of going 5 rounds. I think Hippysmacker nailed it on the head though: If the fight DOES go 5 rounds, I don't see how silva doesn't inflict enough damage on Hendo not to come out on top, if not stop him. The one thing I think might play huge here is the mindstate. Anderson is the most humble fighter I've ever seen, and has said after every fight "I need to find ways to improve, I am far from perfect" or something to that extent. After the Franklin fight, he traveled to the US to Train in JUST wrestling for a month or so, and has been working JUDO with The All Brazilian Judo team. He truly believes every fight is dangerous, and trains his ass off as if he was an up-and-comer trying to earn his shot. Hendo on the other hand is ALWAYS deadly confident. He knows his strengths and there's not usually a question on what hendo will try to do. However, that might also be his weakness. Before the rampage fight, he was talking like he'd easily beat Rampage ("all i gotta do is go get the new belt"), and he's saying the same thing now ("I'm gonna easily beat silva up"). Now, the talk and the fight are two different things, but If someone walks into a fight against silva overconfident, It's not gonna be pretty.

Basically, the only possibility of henderson winning this fight IMO is By a UD. He'd have to take silva down, try to hold him there, and try to use enough GNP to win 3 rounds. I don't see him doing that. I think Silva's Stand up AND ground defence is too goo for that to Happen. I wouldn't se Stunned if silva pulled off an armbar or triangle off his back, either, and I would expect to see stand ups awarded due to silva not allowing him to pass guard. That being said, every round is started On the feet. Anderson has improved his takedown defense with his wrestling focus, and I don't see Henderson taking down silva enough to win this. ANother Key point, Dan has said he's willing to stand with silva, and if he does, silva will pick him apart. Even if Silva doesn't finish him on the feet, silva will win at least 3 rounds on the feet if given a chance.

It'll be a great fight, but I'm gonna say:

Silva by late round stoppage/UD.





THere, now I'm gonna soak my hands after typing all this

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This debate is reason why this is one of the hardest matches to call that I've seen in a while. Most fights we can more or less pick a winner based on last performance or style match-up, but this match is as close as ur gonna get IMO. Ground wise, I dont think either are going to catch each other in a sub. Standing goes more to Silva IMO, but add in Dan's experience and progression in standup and it almost evens out for me. Clinch is pretty even in my eyes as well. Yeah Silva has the knees but, Hendo is experienced enough where I think he could defuse most of them... Honestly think its going to the cards.

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Good discussion. To answer the thread title specifically, I don't think Silva has much chance of getting the KO. He is much smaller than W. Silva, Rampage, Belfort, Big Nog, Yvel and other guys who haven't been able to get a KO on Henderson and the one position where he does the most damage (the clinch) is the spot you don't want to be in with Henderson. I actually think Henderson has a better chance of stopping Silva than the other way around.

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i could see him getting a sub, but not a ko

How crazy would it be if silva had hendo in a triangle choke and got Powerbomb ko'd by hendo. i would sell my soul to see that happen.

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IMO hendo is gonna be dominated. silva is just too good! rd 2 tko

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I dont think Hendo will get knocked out, he will get the fight to the ground where he can be the more dominate his sub defense is good enoguh to not get sub'd by silva and his chin is solid i think Hendo will come away with the belt in this one. Does anyone really know anything about "The Spider's" gas tank we havent been blessed with the opportunity to see if he has one in the UFC yet who knows maybe Dan will push him into the deep water where Hendo has been before bringing silva out of his comfort zone possibly making him question what he is doing and get desperate creating an opening for Hendo thats what i thnik could happen anyways im going with Hendo by 4th or 5th round TKO or a un. decision

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I'm gonna refer back to the original point of the poster.

Nobody is Superman. Not even Dan Henderson.

Thats exactly what I keep telling myself as I imagine Anderson Silva crushing Dan Hendersons face in with lightning fast punches and wicked crazy knees.

Everyone who is claiming Silva can't get the KO simply because of his size... You should all be ashamed!
Everyone should know by now that size has nothing to do with it.

Anderson - KO - 2nd round

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It's gonna be an amazing fight. I love anderson. one of the best pound for pound. but I think he is not well matched for Hendo.

dan's gonna actually control the clintch, He will take him down and he will dominate him on the ground like he has never been dominated.

Dan may try to knock him out, in which case he will get knocked out. I think his best bet is on the ground, even if Anderson is scary there too. This is where Dan will take it.


I give dan about 60% chance. I think he is the only one who could really stand up to Anderson. I hope Anderson wins, but I have my doubts.

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No respect look who is talking, both of these fighter know how to fight different style opponents and know what to do to control there opponents. I believe this will be a close decision fight and somehow like he always does Hollywood Henderson will out work the spider for the win.

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I can't agree with you on this one for the sole factor that Dan Henderson isn't human. Thus making him impossible to KO.

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Posted by ChokeUout

some good thoughts on this fight...here's mine:

First off, anyone who compares this fight to Henderson vs. Rampage, PLEASE DON'T! The fights are absolutely nothing alike.

Now then, The fight itself. I got alot to say, so here it goes:

I could actually see Anderson winning this in several ways. If this fight stays on the feet, then it's only a matter of time before Hendo goes down. Yes, Hendo has a great chin and a hard head, but He's never faced a stiker of the caliber of an Anderson Silva, and yeah, Hendo HAS faced some deadly strikers. However, I think Anderson's Technique, accuracy and Quickness Are Probably the best in MMA as far as stand up fighting is concerned. However, What impressed me about Silva, especially in the second franklin fight, is his stand up defence. He'll block 50% of what you throw at him, and dodge another 30%, which is why you see he's never been knocked out. Now, Hendo Has a Big right hand, and we all know, But Can he connect with silva? I personally don't think so. I think Silva Quickness and Defence makes it near impossible to connect with a big fight-ending shot. Morevoer with Silva's Quickness, I think he'll use that to keep the fight on his feet as much as possible. If he can do that, henderson will go down.

Henderson's strength is obviously his greco. He loves the clinch. The clinch will be the most intriging part of this fight: Henderson's Greco vs. Silva's Muy thai. Will hendo be able to get in close enough to silva to use it without getting his nose broken via knee to the face? Will silva be too quick for him? I'm gonna give Henderson the benefit of the doubt and say he'll be able to get him down at least once or twice. Once he's there, I don't know if he'll be able to finish Silva. Silva is VASTLY underrated on the ground, and is pretty good at advoiding damage if you wanna look at the marquart or franklin fights. He's good at sweeps and it's not easy to pass his guard (Please don't talk about the Lutter fight where Silva had two surgecally repaired knees). That being said, Henderson's JJ game is underrated too, But Seeing that they are both pretty good at BJJ, I don't see either ending this by sub, but I think Silva has the better chance of it. Yes, Hendo has only been subbed twice, but who did It? Big Nog and Lil Nog, Silva's Training Partners. Just throwing it out there...

I agree that this fight has the potential of going 5 rounds. I think Hippysmacker nailed it on the head though: If the fight DOES go 5 rounds, I don't see how silva doesn't inflict enough damage on Hendo not to come out on top, if not stop him. The one thing I think might play huge here is the mindstate. Anderson is the most humble fighter I've ever seen, and has said after every fight "I need to find ways to improve, I am far from perfect" or something to that extent. After the Franklin fight, he traveled to the US to Train in JUST wrestling for a month or so, and has been working JUDO with The All Brazilian Judo team. He truly believes every fight is dangerous, and trains his ass off as if he was an up-and-comer trying to earn his shot. Hendo on the other hand is ALWAYS deadly confident. He knows his strengths and there's not usually a question on what hendo will try to do. However, that might also be his weakness. Before the rampage fight, he was talking like he'd easily beat Rampage ("all i gotta do is go get the new belt"), and he's saying the same thing now ("I'm gonna easily beat silva up"). Now, the talk and the fight are two different things, but If someone walks into a fight against silva overconfident, It's not gonna be pretty.

Basically, the only possibility of henderson winning this fight IMO is By a UD. He'd have to take silva down, try to hold him there, and try to use enough GNP to win 3 rounds. I don't see him doing that. I think Silva's Stand up AND ground defence is too goo for that to Happen. I wouldn't se Stunned if silva pulled off an armbar or triangle off his back, either, and I would expect to see stand ups awarded due to silva not allowing him to pass guard. That being said, every round is started On the feet. Anderson has improved his takedown defense with his wrestling focus, and I don't see Henderson taking down silva enough to win this. ANother Key point, Dan has said he's willing to stand with silva, and if he does, silva will pick him apart. Even if Silva doesn't finish him on the feet, silva will win at least 3 rounds on the feet if given a chance.

It'll be a great fight, but I'm gonna say:

Silva by late round stoppage/UD.

THere, now I'm gonna soak my hands after typing all this



Why make excuses for Anderson in the Lutter fight? What about the fact that Lutter was gassed from cutting to 185? What about the elbows that many feel were illegal that Silva was dropping on Lutter's head to cinch the choke. Lutter was clearly winning that fight before the elbows to the top of the head. It happens. Don't make excuses. And why can't we use the Rampage/Hendo fight as a reference for how strong Hendo is or any other point we may take from that fight? Because we can't talk about anything that may cause you to see the glimmer of truth that Anderson Silva can be beat and that Dan Henderson just might be the guy to do it. PS, if it goes five rounds, Anderson will be ground to dust.

That being said, I Love Anderson Silva. I think he is pound-for-pound a better fighter than Hendo; but, as others have mentioned, Dan Henderson is a bad match up for Silva. I don't think your argument for Silva was compelling because you came off more like an Anderson fanboy than the unbiased commentator.

By the way, it's not polite to yell.

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Posted by ChokeUout

some good thoughts on this fight...here's mine:

First off, anyone who compares this fight to Henderson vs. Rampage, PLEASE DON'T! The fights are absolutely nothing alike.

Now then, The fight itself. I got alot to say, so here it goes:

I could actually see Anderson winning this in several ways. If this fight stays on the feet, then it's only a matter of time before Hendo goes down. Yes, Hendo has a great chin and a hard head, but He's never faced a stiker of the caliber of an Anderson Silva, and yeah, Hendo HAS faced some deadly strikers. However, I think Anderson's Technique, accuracy and Quickness Are Probably the best in MMA as far as stand up fighting is concerned. However, What impressed me about Silva, especially in the second franklin fight, is his stand up defence. He'll block 50% of what you throw at him, and dodge another 30%, which is why you see he's never been knocked out. Now, Hendo Has a Big right hand, and we all know, But Can he connect with silva? I personally don't think so. I think Silva Quickness and Defence makes it near impossible to connect with a big fight-ending shot. Morevoer with Silva's Quickness, I think he'll use that to keep the fight on his feet as much as possible. If he can do that, henderson will go down.

Henderson's strength is obviously his greco. He loves the clinch. The clinch will be the most intriging part of this fight: Henderson's Greco vs. Silva's Muy thai. Will hendo be able to get in close enough to silva to use it without getting his nose broken via knee to the face? Will silva be too quick for him? I'm gonna give Henderson the benefit of the doubt and say he'll be able to get him down at least once or twice. Once he's there, I don't know if he'll be able to finish Silva. Silva is VASTLY underrated on the ground, and is pretty good at advoiding damage if you wanna look at the marquart or franklin fights. He's good at sweeps and it's not easy to pass his guard (Please don't talk about the Lutter fight where Silva had two surgecally repaired knees). That being said, Henderson's JJ game is underrated too, But Seeing that they are both pretty good at BJJ, I don't see either ending this by sub, but I think Silva has the better chance of it. Yes, Hendo has only been subbed twice, but who did It? Big Nog and Lil Nog, Silva's Training Partners. Just throwing it out there...

I agree that this fight has the potential of going 5 rounds. I think Hippysmacker nailed it on the head though: If the fight DOES go 5 rounds, I don't see how silva doesn't inflict enough damage on Hendo not to come out on top, if not stop him. The one thing I think might play huge here is the mindstate. Anderson is the most humble fighter I've ever seen, and has said after every fight "I need to find ways to improve, I am far from perfect" or something to that extent. After the Franklin fight, he traveled to the US to Train in JUST wrestling for a month or so, and has been working JUDO with The All Brazilian Judo team. He truly believes every fight is dangerous, and trains his ass off as if he was an up-and-comer trying to earn his shot. Hendo on the other hand is ALWAYS deadly confident. He knows his strengths and there's not usually a question on what hendo will try to do. However, that might also be his weakness. Before the rampage fight, he was talking like he'd easily beat Rampage ("all i gotta do is go get the new belt"), and he's saying the same thing now ("I'm gonna easily beat silva up"). Now, the talk and the fight are two different things, but If someone walks into a fight against silva overconfident, It's not gonna be pretty.

Basically, the only possibility of henderson winning this fight IMO is By a UD. He'd have to take silva down, try to hold him there, and try to use enough GNP to win 3 rounds. I don't see him doing that. I think Silva's Stand up AND ground defence is too goo for that to Happen. I wouldn't se Stunned if silva pulled off an armbar or triangle off his back, either, and I would expect to see stand ups awarded due to silva not allowing him to pass guard. That being said, every round is started On the feet. Anderson has improved his takedown defense with his wrestling focus, and I don't see Henderson taking down silva enough to win this. ANother Key point, Dan has said he's willing to stand with silva, and if he does, silva will pick him apart. Even if Silva doesn't finish him on the feet, silva will win at least 3 rounds on the feet if given a chance.

It'll be a great fight, but I'm gonna say:

Silva by late round stoppage/UD.

THere, now I'm gonna soak my hands after typing all this



Why make excuses for Anderson in the Lutter fight? What about the fact that Lutter was gassed from cutting to 185? What about the elbows that many feel were illegal that Silva was dropping on Lutter's head to cinch the choke. Lutter was clearly winning that fight before the elbows to the top of the head. It happens. Don't make excuses. And why can't we use the Rampage/Hendo fight as a reference for how strong Hendo is or any other point we may take from that fight? Because we can't talk about anything that may cause you to see the glimmer of truth that Anderson Silva can be beat and that Dan Henderson just might be the guy to do it. PS, if it goes five rounds, Anderson will be ground to dust.

That being said, I Love Anderson Silva. I think he is pound-for-pound a better fighter than Hendo; but, as others have mentioned, Dan Henderson is a bad match up for Silva. I don't think your argument for Silva was compelling because you came off more like an Anderson fanboy than the unbiased commentator.

By the way, it's not polite to yell.



I see your new here, So I'll Be polite in hopes you'll adapt to this sites style and be a little less uptight in the future...

The Lutter fight: It's not an excuse, it's a well known fact. If you had watched any of anderson's fights prior to that fight (especially the non-UFC ones) you would have been like "What's wrong with Silva?" like I was when lutter was Passing like butter. Yes Lutter was dehydrated, but I think anyone who knows the game will agree that knees are extremely vital to keeping someone in the guard and from passing the guard. Anderson will not be like that for the Hendo fight, therefore, the fact he was slowed by that for the Lutter Fight is totally Irrealavent. That's Why I mention the Lutter fact, not to make an excuse, but in case someone clinches onto that as an argument. But it's cool, you probably misunderstood.

As for Comparing the Rampage fight to the silva fight? Yes, absolutely NOTHING to do with each other. Rampage and silva two different fighters in two different fights with two different stategies and two different styles. The fights will most likely be nothing alike, therefore, there's not much to compare. And by the way, if you wanna point out how strong Hendo is, It might not be a good idea to refrence a fight where he got controlled on the ground and the clinch, his own game, for the majority of the fight.

As far as your assumptions that I have some bias toward Silva, I think it's rather funny. Those Claims are Unfair, Unfounded, and Untrue. Silva can be beat, indeed, but I happen to believe Dan will not be that Person. You should learn to respect opinions More. I think if it goes 5 rounds, Silva will pick Dan apart, you think Dan will Ground Silva to Dust. I think Silva's a bad match for Dan, you think the other wy around. That's cool, to each their own. But as I learned when I got here, it's not appropriate on this site to label people a certain way based on their opinion. There are sites like sherdog which are perfectly accustomed for that behavior if you insist on engaging in it.

By the way, it's not polite to call people "fan boys".

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i just really can't buy into the idea that silva will ko hendo. i think its absolutely insane to to think that silva is a harder hitter than guys like rampage or wandy. i really don't see how this fight looks bad for hendo. if we consider silva's 2 greatest strengths to be his striking and his clinch game, then I think hendo is perfectly matched up for this fight. hendo's legendary chin and, yes, superior clinch game (GR clinch>>>>muay thai clinch) means hes matched up perfectly for the fight.

hendo will be able to have superior control throughout the entire fight, which is exactly what a fighter like silva can't have happen to him. he'll force silva to work submissions, which will be the only place where he'll pose a big threat to hendo. this fight will probably go the distance and i totally see hendo taking the UD.

i really think people are just so hyped up on silva right now that it wouldn't matter if he was fighting jesus. by no means am i saying he's overrated, i'm just saying you have to look at who he's fighting and consider strengths/weaknesses. based on a career of unrivaled resilience against the most feared strikers in the world, it seems a little ignorant to say silva will be the one to ko hendo.

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I see this all being too much for Dan, He lost his belt Rampage, Now he "Could" lose his other belt to Anderson, Feel the pressure??

I am only saying what I want.

I want to Silva to KNOCK HIM OUT, IN A HUGE WAY.

No hard feeling's towards Dan, But it would be a shame for Silva to lose the belt now. And it will mess with the potential GSP V SILVA.

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