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mrsmiley
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Posted by ChokeUout
Personally, I think the judge who called it 29-29 got it right. I actually was thining after I saw it "Damn, that third round was a 10-10 round, but naw, they never give 10-10 rounds", and it turned out they did....But actually, i wish one judge ruled it 29-28 for burkman. That fight deserves to be a draw.
THe most clear cut round was the first, in burkman's favor. If I HAD to choose between one or the other in the other two rounds, I'd give them both to swick by the slimmest of margains possible. So, on paper, that's a win for swick, but Burkman won the first round by a bigger margain than Swick won the last two by. So while I don't feel swick "earned" a victory, but According to the "ten point must system" it's a win for swick. But the scoring system is a subject for another time.
I'll agree with everyone else. Nobody deserved to win that fight. It was dead even going into the third round, so both guy should have went balls out and fount their asses off for the win, but neither did. SO I think it should be a draw, cause neither deserved to win that fight. And considering how rare Draws are, i guess I can't really complain too much about the result
I agree pretty much.
Felt like Burkman won the first round,and Swick barley pulled out round 2 and 3.It's just the fact that Burkman looked more impressive in round one,than Swick did in rounds two and three combined.I think that was the toughest part about this loss for Burkman.
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Post #16 1/24/08 6:28:32AM
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nickcuc547
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while i agree that burkman didn't do enough, he did more than swick imo, he pressed the action whereas swick hung back and did little damage, yes he defended the takedown, but he wasnt as aggressive as burkman.
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Post #17 1/24/08 7:51:05AM
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nickcuc547
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Posted by telnights
He didn't get robbed. He won round 1 and lost round 2 and 3. He keep going for the take down ending up in the clinch and not working at all in the clinch. When they broke Swick landed more punches giving him the round. Burkman did this in the 2 and 3 round. He wasn't active in the clinch hardly at all thats why Mazzagatti would break them up. It was a poor fight by both fighters but in the end Swick was the winner. I scored it 29-28 Swick. But I'm going to guess this is because you picked Burkman to win...
i did pick burkman to win, but i truly thought he won the fight. picking him had nothing to do with it because i had no rooting interest in the fight, as i explained before i thought both fighters were equally inept in their striking in round 3 (i had it 1 to 1 going into the third) and i thought burkman pressed the action and swick laid back and did little damage.
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Post #18 1/24/08 7:53:40AM
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KYGUY07
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Posted by JBatch
Matt Hamill was robbed. Josh Burkman didn't do enough to win and thus ended up on the wrong end of the decision. Really lackluster card IMO but free so I will take it.
Also a little off topic. The Rogan Goldie banter was awesome tonight.
Goldie: Elbows he is asking for elbows in portugese.
Rogan: Thats Japanese man. Aren't you the one with a Japanese wife??
I laughed my ass off.
omg its like mike goldberg never has an intellignet thing to say, but I love it I think its hilarious.
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Post #19 1/24/08 8:03:04AM
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Boo_Radley21
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I'd say it was a close fight, and Burkman definitely won the first round. However, in the second rounds he was unsuccessful with takedowns, and in the clinch Swick was able to revers him, and I'd also say Swick landed more kicks and punches (even though they didn't do much damage).
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Post #20 1/24/08 8:08:58AM
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Posted by nickcuc547
just because he was bloody doesnt mean he lost. the guy controlled that third round. im pretty disappointed.
also mazzagatti was separating them in the clinch way too early, burkman was working those knees to the leg and tried to grind it out, kind of pissed about that.
LOL its no coincidence you picked Burkman by decision 
No way dude sorry, thats your pick clouding your judgement, the whole time they were apart Swick was the agressor and landed all the best shots, the head kick was nice, and even when Josh had him pushed against the cage i dont see how you can score that FOR Burkman cos he is trying to take Swick down and he is stopping him from doing that, credit should go to Swick for that
You cant win a fight by clinching against the fence and kneeing the legs
Oh and imo Mazzagattis seperations were slower than normal
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Post #21 1/24/08 8:11:08AM
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Posted by JBatch
Matt Hamill was robbed. Josh Burkman didn't do enough to win and thus ended up on the wrong end of the decision. Really lackluster card IMO but free so I will take it.
Also a little off topic. The Rogan Goldie banter was awesome tonight.
Goldie: Elbows he is asking for elbows in portugese.
Rogan: Thats Japanese man. Aren't you the one with a Japanese wife??
I laughed my ass off.
Regarding that, I really had a hard time hearing what that guy was saying, but it sounded more like Portugese that Japanese to me.
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Post #22 1/24/08 8:30:39AM
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jomatty
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this was the first fight that i didnt have an opinion on who won....fortunately i didnt care either, as there was little to get excited about the entire time.
that said i still hate all the booing. the only time i would boo at a fight is if someone cheats or shows poor sportsmanship, other than that id give the guys their moment for stepping in a cage and going to war.
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Post #23 1/24/08 9:18:41AM
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Posted by CornishMMA
Posted by nickcuc547
just because he was bloody doesnt mean he lost. the guy controlled that third round. im pretty disappointed.
also mazzagatti was separating them in the clinch way too early, burkman was working those knees to the leg and tried to grind it out, kind of pissed about that.
LOL its no coincidence you picked Burkman by decision
No way dude sorry, thats your pick clouding your judgement, the whole time they were apart Swick was the agressor and landed all the best shots, the head kick was nice, and even when Josh had him pushed against the cage i dont see how you can score that FOR Burkman cos he is trying to take Swick down and he is stopping him from doing that, credit should go to Swick for that
You cant win a fight by clinching against the fence and kneeing the legs
Oh and imo Mazzagattis seperations were slower than normal
 
some of these posts have me going wtf?! did you see the same fight as me?!
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Post #24 1/24/08 10:56:23AM
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JBatch
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Posted by JBatch
Matt Hamill was robbed. Josh Burkman didn't do enough to win and thus ended up on the wrong end of the decision. Really lackluster card IMO but free so I will take it.
Also a little off topic. The Rogan Goldie banter was awesome tonight.
Goldie: Elbows he is asking for elbows in portugese.
Rogan: Thats Japanese man. Aren't you the one with a Japanese wife??
I laughed my ass off.
Regarding that, I really had a hard time hearing what that guy was saying, but it sounded more like Portugese that Japanese to me.
Same here man. I just love the way those two interact. It sounded like Portugese to me but it was just a great interaction. Also how good has Patrick Cote been looking the guy is on a tear.
I was pumped when he ate that punch ala Chris Leben, walked through it and KO's his opp.
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Post #25 1/24/08 1:08:19PM
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Posted by JBatch
Same here man. I just love the way those two interact. It sounded like Portugese to me but it was just a great interaction. Also how good has Patrick Cote been looking the guy is on a tear.
I was pumped when he ate that punch ala Chris Leben, walked through it and KO's his opp.
I am happy to see Côté do well. I hope he keeps improving. He impressed me more in his fight with Grove than this one. He has good stand up, but I don't know if his ground game has improved. As far as stand up is concerened I would put him in the top 10 of MW, but his ground game was lack lustre when he fought Lutter (and before).
AS for Swick being the aggressor in the fight, I do not agree with that. I'll have to watch it again more closely, but the sense I got was that Swick was moving back and to the side a lot. Josh did most of the stalking.
Last edited 1/24/08 1:35PM by Rush
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Post #26 1/24/08 1:33:38PM
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JBatch
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Rush are you going to UFC 84
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Post #27 1/24/08 1:36:09PM
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pv3Hpv3p
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He didn't get robbed... the fight could have gone either way pretty easily, but it felt like Swick won at the end... Burkman did nothing but try to muscle TD's and Swick did a good job of stuffing them... The standup was boring, but just about even... I agree with most on here... Whoever would have been awarded the W didn't really deserve it
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Post #28 1/24/08 2:06:27PM
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buckndro
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no i dont think burkman couldnt do shit to take him down as rogan said he wrould go for everytime when he got him up on the cage yet couldnt do shit to him wass horrable an i liek the call to stand them up an fight when burkman his holding his crotch an trying to take him down an cant
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Post #29 1/24/08 2:19:34PM
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nickcuc547
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Posted by CornishMMA
Posted by nickcuc547
just because he was bloody doesnt mean he lost. the guy controlled that third round. im pretty disappointed.
also mazzagatti was separating them in the clinch way too early, burkman was working those knees to the leg and tried to grind it out, kind of pissed about that.
LOL its no coincidence you picked Burkman by decision
No way dude sorry, thats your pick clouding your judgement, the whole time they were apart Swick was the agressor and landed all the best shots, the head kick was nice, and even when Josh had him pushed against the cage i dont see how you can score that FOR Burkman cos he is trying to take Swick down and he is stopping him from doing that, credit should go to Swick for that
You cant win a fight by clinching against the fence and kneeing the legs
Oh and imo Mazzagattis seperations were slower than normal
i see your points on the fight, BUT, remember serra vs. lytle at the tuf 4 finale, the fight was nearly identical except lytle landed more shots than swick on burkman, and serra got the decision for his "octogon control", im just looking for a little consistency. and my pick isnt clouding the decision, trust me, ill admit i was completely wrong about the fight, i thought burkman would control him from top position to get the win, instead i felt he controlled the tempo in a very lackluster fight.
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