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The Anti-pansy
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He's almost 37. I think I'd start following the money too. Might not be something that makes the fans happy, but if he sees more money due to longevity in a second -tier league, it makes a lot of $ense to me.
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Post #16 2/16/07 2:42:54PM
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Black sheep sure, but I really think he is doing himself, his fans, and MMA a disservice by not fighting other top 10 middleweight's.
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Post #17 2/18/07 6:49:20PM
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JimiMak
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The guy had a chance (or more) at "the big show", they decided that no matter how good he was they didn't want to promote him. If you read the cover page article on him it looks like he is doing better for himself and his family in a lot of areas (financially being a big factor). While I rank him #1 and would like to see him prove that, I can't blame him for taking the options which give his family the most stability. Even if he becomes a "loser" at HVY he will always, IMO, fight at a level that garners him respect (even if he becomes unranked @ Middleweight). To see him clash w/ Silva, Hendo, Filho, Kang and etc is what we all want and I can't understand why Dana wouldn't offer him the right money. But business is business and no matter what we all want, for them this is business.
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Post #18 2/18/07 7:37:35PM
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nate22
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Posted by hippysmacker
Black sheep sure, but I really think he is doing himself, his fans, and MMA a disservice by not fighting other top 10 middleweight's.
You know I disagree with you here. Lindlands not in the UFC because they don't want him there, he hasn't been offered a contract and they have made little attempt to bring him back to the UFC with the money that he deserves. It's the UFC that screws the fighters with the pay packets, they are still shockingly terrible. I don't know if you know much about business but in terms of what the UFC pays their assets to the amount they take in PPV and ticket sales, the only big winners are Zuffa.
Pride have made no offer for Lindland either, I don't know why, if i'm wrong, then somebody tell me why he's not there. But as I say, outside of the UFC and Pride he has fought Horn at MW, one of the best competitors available to him, other than that I think it's difficult to criticise the direction he's taken, especially when you take into account his age and such.
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Post #19 2/18/07 7:49:56PM
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JimiMak
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Posted by nate22
Posted by hippysmacker
Black sheep sure, but I really think he is doing himself, his fans, and MMA a disservice by not fighting other top 10 middleweight's.
You know I disagree with you here. Lindlands not in the UFC because they don't want him there, he hasn't been offered a contract and they have made little attempt to bring him back to the UFC with the money that he deserves. It's the UFC that screws the fighters with the pay packets, they are still shockingly terrible. I don't know if you know much about business but in terms of what the UFC pays their assets to the amount they take in PPV and ticket sales, the only big winners are Zuffa.
Pride have made no offer for Lindland either, I don't know why, if i'm wrong, then somebody tell me why he's not there. But as I say, outside of the UFC and Pride he has fought Horn at MW, one of the best competitors available to him, other than that I think it's difficult to criticise the direction he's taken, especially when you take into account his age and such.
Couldn't agree more, nate22. When you take age and his now six-figure per fight guaruntee into consideration... well god only knows why he doesn't get big offers from the big two, but he has to go where he can support his family. And like you said, it's not like there's a big difference in contract offers--- he doesn't seem to be getting offers from Zuffa or DSE. Don't know why, but he's prob'ly the best fighter that the big two show no interest in (I realize that's arguable cuz of all the good featherweights). He deserves to make top of the food chain money. He has to go where that is.
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Post #20 2/18/07 8:16:53PM
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nate22
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I have a theory why UFC don't want him, I've seen Lindland post on a few forums and the guy is truly hilarious, one of the most amusing posters I have seen. If the attitude he has online compares with what he is like in real life, although it's just speculation I can imagine there would be a big personality dispute between him and Dana. Dana seems like and has been in the past, the type of guy to allow personal feelings towards a fighter get in the way of business.
Is anybody in the know with a genuine answer as to why UFC haven't offered him the contract?
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Post #21 2/18/07 8:28:46PM
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JimiMak
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Posted by nate22
Is anybody in the know with a genuine answer as to why UFC haven't offered him the contract?
I won't claim to be in the know. I will provide what I think is a good credible basis of theory. First off, the reason for letting him go, if I'm not mistaken, related to him being sponsored by a betting site. That is a violation of rules they are given, just like ppl don't agree w/ decisions such as the recent ones on marijuana-- regardless of if you agree the fighters are given these lists of what not to wear/have in you system, blah, blah .... beforehand. I don't think Lindland is the type to throw a fight, but you can't argue with it looking fishy that you're sponsored by a bookie.
After that you take into consideration things like he was seen as "boring" and "unsellable". He is seen as being good but unlikeable. In this day and age of this business that equals no money. Fortunately for him he has found the money on the outskirts of the mainstream. Unfortunately for true fight fans business will always take precedence.
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Post #22 2/18/07 8:45:45PM
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You know it's interesting that Dana said in the MMAweekly interview the other day that Lindlan F'ed him. He also said Lindland would be welcome back in the UFC. I think maybe Lindland wants to step right into a title shot. I think if he keeps fighting( and probaly losing IMo) at HVY this won't help his chances. If he went around and fought other high profile 185 lb. guyd who aren't in the UFC( SHamrock, Villasenor, Manhoef, Loiseau, Prangley, Tanner) and beats them I think it would help his chances. Heck, he's not Baroni. Dana might actually give Lindland a title shot if he went and pummelled Shamrock for him.
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Post #23 2/21/07 4:52:07AM
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Posted by hippysmacker
You know it's interesting that Dana said in the MMAweekly interview the other day that Lindlan F'ed him. He also said Lindland would be welcome back in the UFC. I think maybe Lindland wants to step right into a title shot. I think if he keeps fighting( and probaly losing IMo) at HVY this won't help his chances. If he went around and fought other high profile 185 lb. guyd who aren't in the UFC( SHamrock, Villasenor, Manhoef, Loiseau, Prangley, Tanner) and beats them I think it would help his chances. Heck, he's not Baroni. Dana might actually give Lindland a title shot if he went and pummelled Shamrock for him.
Shutting up Shamrock is probably Lindlands best chance for a shot at the belt in the UFC. 
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Post #24 2/21/07 9:12:50AM
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Of course, it's easier to promote Jim Carrey than "Sloth" from The Goonies
Holy crap Franklin looks just like Jim Carrey lol
That is how he got his nickname. Ace for Ace Ventura.
But Matt Lindland has the #1 MW in the world. OKay he has had some aweosme fihgts lately but who in the TOP10 MW has he beat? Horn is the only top guy he has beat. WE havent seen him fight the other guys. Is he pulling a Frank Shamrock and simply avoiding fighting the best so he looks good?
Yes his fihgt with Rampage was good....... but he didnt win.
When Lindland wins the 185 belt in Pride or the UFC then you can rank him #1.
IMO right now he shouldnt be any higher than #5. There is just such a mystique around him now.
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Post #25 2/21/07 9:52:00AM
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Greene33
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I think Dana wants Lindland back, i predict that Lindland will be fighting in the UFC before 07 is over...
I think whoever KO's Frank Shamrock (Baroni, Lindland whoever) will automatically be given a shot at the UFC MW title.
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Post #26 2/21/07 11:18:22AM
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Posted by Greene33
I think Dana wants Lindland back, i predict that Lindland will be fighting in the UFC before 07 is over...
I think whoever KO's Frank Shamrock (Baroni, Lindland whoever) will automatically be given a shot at the UFC MW title.
I really hope not, unless it was Lindland or somebody who is aready on a run in the UFC, Nate, Swick, etc.
Beating Frank gives you sweet fa credibility towards a title shot, unless you're already on the verge of one in the first place.
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Post #27 2/21/07 11:21:38AM
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Greene33
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Posted by nate22
Posted by Greene33
I think Dana wants Lindland back, i predict that Lindland will be fighting in the UFC before 07 is over...
I think whoever KO's Frank Shamrock (Baroni, Lindland whoever) will automatically be given a shot at the UFC MW title.
I really hope not, unless it was Lindland or somebody who is aready on a run in the UFC, Nate, Swick, etc.
Beating Frank gives you sweet fa credibility towards a title shot, unless you're already on the verge of one in the first place.
Well i heard in the interview with Baroni that Dana said if he ko's Frank he will be brought in to challange Anderson, I was just streaching with whoever KO's frank first will be given a shot, i am just assuming that since Dana basically put a hit out on Frank by offering a title shot to Baroni if he KO's Frank, he would do it for anyone else... Its a strech i know, but with the way Frank and Dana hate each other i wouldnt be surprised to see Dana snatch up any fighter that KO's Frank...
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Post #28 2/21/07 1:08:00PM
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Dana answred this in the recent MMAweekly interview. He said he hopes Baroni kick's Frank's head off, but would not give him a title shot if he does it. However, he did say he would welcome him back to the UFC.
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Post #29 2/22/07 8:32:22PM
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JimiMak
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Matt Lindland #1? .... I can see how you could deny him #1, but where do you place him? Sometimes when you watch a guy fight you can see a lot about talent etc... while you can only guess as to who he would beat that he has never faced, that is a large part of trying ot rank among different organizations. It's all only guess work. Part of ranking is who they have beaten, then you get a guy like Lindland that has been "out of the loop" and fighting out of weight for a while or a guy like BJ who fights different weight classes etc and hasn't done much in "his" weight class. Both of those guys get regularly ranked in the top 3 of what is seen as their weight because of a lot of things that are more intangible than their record. Also record doesn't show a lot, look at A.Silva's loss to Chonan (noone ranks Chonan as high as Silva) or Arlovski's loss to Datsik.
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Post #30 2/22/07 9:41:04PM
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