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I very rarely see Babalu getting the respect that I think he deserves.
He's arguably one of the best BJJ LHWs in the world.
When you look at his record 5/7 of his losses are to not just good fighters but fighters who rank top 5 in the world. His losses include: Fedor, Dan Henderson, Randleman (not saying he is top 5), and Chuck.
The fact that he submitted Shogun is also overlooked by many.

I easily consider him a top 15 LHW in the world. I think he'd give many top tens problems. I was very upset when UFC let him go.
Is Babalu a decent fighter who crumbles when faced with top competition? Or do you consider him top competition?

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Post #1   1/10/08 8:02:37PM   

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I wouldn't say he crumbles against top competiton,but I consider him somewhat along the leagues of Jeremy Horn.They can take out anyone,but put them against the top competition,and they fall shot.I do agree with you though,that Babalu does get overlooked a lot of the time,which I think is probably due in part to his second fight against Liddell.When the masses see you go down like that,they can be pretty unforgiving.

Post #2   1/10/08 8:06:49PM   

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I really don't like Babalu as a person but as a fighter, he is extremely entertaining. I think that he against elite competition but would be considered in the 25 LHW's.

Post #3   1/10/08 8:11:12PM   

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He's a great fighter, and he doesn't crumble when faced with top competition. However, he often makes the mistake of abandoning his strenghts in wrestling and submissions and trying to stand and trade with strikers who are much better. His fights with Chuck are perfect examples. His best chance at winning would be a takedown but he rushed Chuck and trade to stand and trade. We all know how those fights went down.

But he's a great fighter who is extremely entertaining IMO, he just needs to learn to stick with what he's best at because he's better than a lot of guys on the ground, and train his standup so if he does decide to stand and trade he will have a better chance of winning.

Post #4   1/10/08 8:16:20PM   

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Sobral is a great fighter. His main problem is he is a head case. If he could work out his head issues he would be a top 10 LHW. The UFC let him go because he has some issue he needs to work out. Dana said he more than welcome him back once he works those issues out.

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Post #5   1/10/08 8:25:11PM   

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Hmmmm....my opinion you ask?
Lol, ya he is top 15 a couple strong wins away from Top Ten. I agree that his main problem is he strays from his strenghts and his gameplan, he is not that much of a headcase, lets get that clear, he just doesn't have as much ring sense as a elite fighter has....like repeatedly throwing knees with his hands down asking to get KO'd....he'll be back in the UFC in probaly 2 years cuz he signed many non-exclusive contracts(HCF, WCO, Strikeforce,Others), I don't think he'll ever crack Top 5, but he will reappear in the Top 10

Post #6   1/10/08 8:34:13PM   

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A no brainer A list fighter. Does not get the respect he deserves. One of the elite fighters in the world. Had a terrible gameplan against Chuck, but is a great fighter. Had he fought his fight, he honestly could have beaten him. Remember the winning streak he was on before that fight. Even the Lambert fight, won the first round. dished out a lot of punishment, and in the 2nd got caught rushing in, it happens. I am not saying he would be favored, but Babalu is good enough to beat anyone in his division. This is one of the best fighters in the world. True.

Post #7   1/10/08 11:04:19PM   

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i dont like what he did but it doesnt take away from the fact that he is a very tough, very talented fighter. hopefully he will keep working with guys like eric paulson and get some good gameplans and stability and fight some top tier competition.

Post #8   1/10/08 11:27:16PM   

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i think he's one of the fighters that could beat anybody in his division on any day...if he didnt work against his strenght's.......imo he could submit ANYBODY he has sick subs.....theres no doubt in that, he just needs to use his strenghts a little more.

Post #9   1/11/08 8:53:23AM   

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I think he is a bit under rated...

He is 10 or number 9 in my book, I don't think he will have much of a problem outside the UFC in those other orgs (The best of the div. are in the UFC)

He is going to crush V. Lygar White this weekend

Post #10   1/11/08 9:46:21AM   

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Babalu... better than the rest, just not the best.

Post #11   1/11/08 10:06:14AM   

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He's always been one of my fav fighters..and yes I believe he is very under rated... the guy is tough and a great fighter... he can hang wit the best of them when he's up to par in his ability

Post #12   1/11/08 10:09:02AM   

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The Jerome Le Banner of MMA.

Meaning he will always be an elite, yet never King.

Post #13   1/11/08 10:21:43AM   

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i think he should still be in the ufc and would be in the top ten

Post #14   1/11/08 11:13:45AM   

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, if he would develop his hands, he'd be a champion... and most likely stay one a long while. Best sub grappling game in MMA at 205, very solid wrestler, has really improved his ground and pound to an excellent level, great kicks, good knees... his hands are his only real weakspot, especially defensively. If he would work on his parries and movement etc., with a boxing coach he would be the man.

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