The UFC's 10 biggest letdowns of 2007 |
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cmill21
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 133-71
Season: 64-35 (#1502)
Location: Regina SK
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I agree with a couple points. I agree with the killing of pride, if I were the UFC I would have kept it as a Japanese base, also guys that loved it in Japan, and were better suited for the ring could fight there. The could make a killing in yen, and have the ppv's well promoted in the US, thus making a possible 4 ppv's per month making both american and japanese money, and being able to sign guys who only want to fight in the ring or only want to fight in japan. I also agree with the point of sitting people until they agree to your terms. I've made my feelings about this known in other threads, and I think it should be illegal.
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Post #16 12/18/07 3:39:43PM
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juanez13
MMA Sensei
Career record: 108-59
Season: 65-36 (#374)
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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this article, to me at least, its garbage....
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Post #17 12/18/07 4:08:56PM
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Manak
MMA Regular
Career record: 105-65
Season: 57-40 (#3097)
Location: Texas
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Posted by DCRage
This almost sounds like something a WWE smark would write. While some of them are more head-on than the other, it still doesn't quite make enough sense. This line was dead-on though:
Note to the UFC: Watch 24/7 Mayweather-Hatton and take notes.
Indeed. Those were among the best behind-the-scenes shows in sports.
i do agree with that, the ufc needs a show like 24/7 and on a better channel
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Post #18 12/18/07 4:27:43PM
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gspgnp
MMA Regular
Career record: 110-64
Season: 37-23 (#4885)
Location: Manitoba, Canada
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Posted by Darnok
If someone hates the UFC this much I am suprised he even knows who some of the fighters are. Because I would expect that he wouldn't watch UFC if it is that bad.
What an Idiot.
At least in the Sherdog article that they referenced they mentioned they were taking the high road and going to point out ten things the UFC did right this year.
I hate the "stick it to the man" attitude so many people have.
I agree. When the UFC was underground I can remember everyone who watched talked about how cool it was. It seems that now that the UFC is mainstream, it is no longer "cool" to like it. I wish people would just make decisions for themselves and like or dislike what they want without bringing other people into the equation.
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Post #19 12/18/07 4:44:50PM
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Hardcastle
Learning to Sprawl
Career record: 129-60
Season: 64-37 (#581)
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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please stop posting articles from mmaanalyst. they are entirely opinion based and often quite obviously biased against the UFC. i mean, it's one thing to be critical, but when your blog is essentially a one sided rant about the shortcomings of one major org. you really have no reason to be quoted as any kind of reliable source for MMA news or speculation. this website reeks of unprofessionalism from the ill-thought out articles to the poor quality of writing. whenever i click on a news heading and see this site as a source i cringe.
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Post #20 12/18/07 4:45:01PM
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Trench777
MMA Regular
Career record: 135-110
Season: 54-36 (#3025)
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There were some valid points (like most other replies stated)
The ones I note: Dana's perpetual potty mouth. I find it amazing someone in his position cant keep f*** from coming out of his mouth every other word. Its a verb, an adjective, a noun & an explicitive to Dana, which is just silly IMO.
Dana's Christmas present from me: A tiny bar of soap on the end of a toothbrush (LOL)
The other thing of note was the Pride thing. I totally agree with whoever said they should have kept the org in Japan. I dont know about all the financials, but I'm sure there is enough of a base to make it a profiatble proposition once the inherited issues were dealt with.
The 1st and foremost thing I would have done (if Pride were allowed to live) would have been take the directors and/or producers out and hang them from the nearest tree. I do NOT EVER need to see shots of the freaking audience in the -middle- of a fight. Pride had the worst production EVER.
Ok /rant off.
T777
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Post #21 12/18/07 5:25:20PM
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cmill21
Heavyweight Champ
Career record: 133-71
Season: 64-35 (#1502)
Location: Regina SK
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Posted by Trench777
There were some valid points (like most other replies stated)
The ones I note: Dana's perpetual potty mouth. I find it amazing someone in his position cant keep f*** from coming out of his mouth every other word. Its a verb, an adjective, a noun & an explicitive to Dana, which is just silly IMO.
Dana's Christmas present from me: A tiny bar of soap on the end of a toothbrush (LOL)
The other thing of note was the Pride thing. I totally agree with whoever said they should have kept the org in Japan. I dont know about all the financials, but I'm sure there is enough of a base to make it a profiatble proposition once the inherited issues were dealt with.
The 1st and foremost thing I would have done (if Pride were allowed to live) would have been take the directors and/or producers out and hang them from the nearest tree. I do NOT EVER need to see shots of the freaking audience in the -middle- of a fight. Pride had the worst production EVER.
Ok /rant off.
T777
I think Zuffa could have gotten Prides old tv deal back considering the circumstances that caused it to be revoked, and then the UFC would be making what Pride made off the Japanese market and their regular North american and european market. Man am I a business genius. Also the reason they wen't to the crowed was ussually during stomps since some americans saw that as disturbing.
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Post #22 12/18/07 5:30:56PM
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Btews22
MMA Regular
Career record: 101-57
Season: 53-32 (#3445)
Location: Portland, OR
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Mirko Cro Cop!!!!! Shogun Rua
I lost hundreds of $ on those two, I sure hope thay boath turn it around because my $ will be on boath in there next fight
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Post #23 12/18/07 5:34:04PM
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Boo_Radley21
MMA Sensei
Career record: 93-67
Season: 50-41 (#3292)
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I actually picked against both of them in the fights they lost in the UFC lol. But I would like to see them improve it would make their divisions that much more exciting.
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Post #24 12/18/07 5:39:30PM
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gspgnp
MMA Regular
Career record: 110-64
Season: 37-23 (#4885)
Location: Manitoba, Canada
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Posted by Trench777
There were some valid points (like most other replies stated)
The ones I note: Dana's perpetual potty mouth. I find it amazing someone in his position cant keep f*** from coming out of his mouth every other word. Its a verb, an adjective, a noun & an explicitive to Dana, which is just silly IMO.
Dana's Christmas present from me: A tiny bar of soap on the end of a toothbrush (LOL)
The other thing of note was the Pride thing. I totally agree with whoever said they should have kept the org in Japan. I dont know about all the financials, but I'm sure there is enough of a base to make it a profiatble proposition once the inherited issues were dealt with.
The 1st and foremost thing I would have done (if Pride were allowed to live) would have been take the directors and/or producers out and hang them from the nearest tree. I do NOT EVER need to see shots of the freaking audience in the -middle- of a fight. Pride had the worst production EVER.
Ok /rant off.
T777
Although i agree that Pride would have been profitable, it would not have been worth it for Zuffa to try to make it so again. The opportunity cost of doing this would be too high. Their money was better spent elsewhere. (BTW I'm not explaining what opportunity cost is so if you don't know...look it up)
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Post #25 12/18/07 7:10:11PM
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MMeh?
Career record: 91-54
Season: 45-25 (#4654)
Location: vancouver
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hahaha opportunity cost.. good old intro economics ^^ Honestly, if it were so easy to reestablish the tv deal in japan or something similar.. i'm pretty sure that the ufc would've done it. We love to make criticisms of zuffa's business plan, but bottom line is how many of us have business degrees? I'm a year and a half away from a corporate law degree and I'm far from qualified enough to even touch what they're doing. If something's obvious to us, then it was probably obvious to them.. and if they didnt do it.. chances are theres a pretty good reason why.
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Post #26 12/18/07 8:54:34PM
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tlangley
MMA Regular
Career record: 68-46
Season: 56-36 (#2673)
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Rampage not whooping more peoples arses.
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Post #27 12/18/07 10:34:55PM
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LR
In Full Mount
Career record: 120-60
Season: 61-31 (#780)
Location: Illinois
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Some of you are clueless and it's laughable.
First off, how is that blog completely BIASED in it's opinion of the UFC. The article even mentions toward the end that the UFC had a good year, and the author literally says in the comments that he expects changes in the upcoming year because of the poor PPV buys at the end.
Also, the Sean Sherk articles on the site are THE MOST INFORMATIVE articles on the net regarding the research involved in Nandrolone and the CSAC. Also, why should we stop opinion-based writing from being a part of the MMA community? It's amazing that Hardcastle can read anything considering a lot of sites give opinions. Fact is, the article is to point out letdowns, not put down the UFC completely. Pointing out that their marketing has been poor is a great point because it has been. Pointing out their handling of many of the CSAC issues as well as the TUF issues are good points for discussion.
As far as the comment about degrees, etc. go, I seriously doubt some of the thinking at the UFC. One huge rumor that has never went mainstream is the PRIDE footage issue. It has been a long time rumor that FujiTV actually maintained the rights to a lot of the footage, but not all. Youtube actually has SOME PRIDE footage up and some is not, why? Shouldn't it all be down? I would think there are some issues there, and it definitely causes people to think that it is possible that the UFC didn't obtain all rights to all footage. If that's the case, why the hell did they buy PRIDE? To get contracts? That fell through... to get footage? Even if they got it all, they haven't utilized it at all.
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Post #28 12/18/07 11:51:45PM
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Trench777
MMA Regular
Career record: 135-110
Season: 54-36 (#3025)
Location:
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Posted by wapttn
hahaha opportunity cost.. good old intro economics ^^ Honestly, if it were so easy to reestablish the tv deal in japan or something similar.. i'm pretty sure that the ufc would've done it. We love to make criticisms of zuffa's business plan, but bottom line is how many of us have business degrees? I'm a year and a half away from a corporate law degree and I'm far from qualified enough to even touch what they're doing. If something's obvious to us, then it was probably obvious to them.. chances are theres a pretty good reason why.
You are right *nods*
T777
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Post #29 12/19/07 12:43:14AM
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RMFG_187
Belt Contender
Career record: 91-60
Season: 54-36 (#2323)
Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted by wapttn
This doode comes off as a grumpy keyboard warrior who's lookin for an excuse to talk some shit about the ufc.
10. Rashad evans/bisping wasnt a fight that interested anyone.. but there were a lot of fights on that card that knowledgable fans were interested in. Penn/sherk was scheduled for that card, but you cant predict things like that. Its not like you can just call another champ/no1 contender and ask them to fill in with that short of a notice.
9. Liddel is still highly marketable, espeically to the casual fan.. and he's probably still a great fighter despite his loss to jardine. They not gonna market rampage until its much closer to his next fight. He's got exposure through stuff like the ufc video game and interviews but he's not fighting until after the next TUF so you dont need to push him now.
8. I'd say that the ufc's marketing is more than mediorce, but they definately can improve how they promote superfights like gsp/hughes and silva/liddel
7. "the real belt".. lets be serious, both hughes and gsp would whoop serras ass this time around. Hughes as always been an incredibly impressive and dominant fighter, and gsp seems to have his head on straight and is now part of a proper camp.. serra isnt in either of their leagues, this fight is the title fight.
6. Nobody really knows whats going on with the contracts.. are the fighters asking for too much? is zuffa offering too little? I understand contract negotiations, and the strategy that they're employing, but what they seem to neglect is the value of keeping a fighter in the ufc and not letting them go elsewhere. Obviously, the only notable fighter (that i can think of) who's experiencing this is AA.. He may only be worth 25k per fight to the ufc, but he's probably worth another 25k to keep him outta m-1.
5. Dana does make a lot of promises, but cummon.. its not like he's ur boyfriend and you gotta get all teary eyed when he lies or doesnt come through on something he said he'd do. When dana white makes a promise, its cause to the best of his knowledge, its the most likely senario, and he has all the intentions of fulfilling that promise. In the fight game, shit happens. His personality can get to people who take him too seriously, or are overly critical of him.. but I enjoy him. He's passionate about what he does, and he's a no bs kinda guy. He'll probably get a little more tactful and smooth out the edges in a couple years.. but i dont think its that big of a deal.
3. How many false reports have we read through the news forums here? I'd say about 1/3 of the important issues is reported with false info.. examples being sherks title or arlovski leaving the ufc. A lot of false information gets leaked into the into the fan base because of the internet sites and a lot of fans forget to reserve judgement until theres better evidence. I'd probably be a little pissed too if reporters like kevin iole from yahoo put up articles regarding how much people were getting paid, when in reality, only zuffa and their accounts are aware of this.
2. I have a theory about why dana said the stuff he did regarding sherk.. and i'm pretty confident about it. Dana knows sherk well, i'm pretty sure they're good friends. I know that if one of my friends looked me in the eyes and said "I dont take steroids, this whole thing is bs." I know that I could tell if they were lying or not. That conversation probably happened between those two, and Dana believed him. Considering the evidence that sherk was able to come up with, Dana was startin to think that he would overturn the decision. Dana says that he's not gonna strip sherk regardless of the decision.. thinking that the decision will go the right way, and dana can say that he knew sherk was innocent all along and just because the CSAC thought he was guilty, he knew better. When the appeal failed, there was no way Dana could let him keep the belt.. but he did give him no1 contendership so its really all the same.
1. we all knew pride was going to die.. and i'm pretty sure that most fans would've rather seen all the top talent in one organization rather than still split up. What the ufc should've done tho is give up on the UK expansion and bring the ufc to japan. There could definately be some anomosity, but if you gave the fans great fights, they'd love you. The fan base for mma is already established in japan, you wouldnt have to do squat.. just set up a bunch of fights that the fans want to see.. throw in a couple nakamuras or chonans and ur good to go. If they had 3-4 events in japan per year, they'd be able to sign a lot of the fighters who wanted to stay close to home.. an example being gomi.
Anyways.. my 2 cents
 
but Serra would own Hughes
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