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moob
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Posted by bullettdodger
Posted by moob
I feel there is an unhealthy disregard for Bisping's abilities on here. I also feel that this sentiment is borne from an unhealthy disregard from across the Atlantic, and nothing terribly valid.
My disregard for Bisping's "abilities" has nothing to do with where hes from or anything like that. I just simply have not been impressed by the guy. He didn't really win the TUF whatever he was on, and he lost (IMO) to the person who would have been oppisite him in the cage for the finale. All in all he hasn't been bad to watch, just very disappointing for me. I have simply just been unimpressed by his performances... Props to the guy for hopping in the cage, and props to him for turning his aditude around once the backlash from his snide comments subsided, but im still waiting for Bisping to show something special. Thats all.
First off, I wasn't directing my remark at you alone. There are a great deal of people on here who adopt a similar opinion to you regards Bisping.
However, you can't blame me for forming my views given the language you used when discussing the fighter:
I hope Bisping gets eaten alive at MW
I guess Bisping is tired of being embarrassed on national television
How funny would it be if Hamil dropped to MW too just for one fight to get his revenge on Bisping?
The above reads very differently to the comments above, doesn't it?
The guy has talent, I agree that he perhaps hasn't developed to the greatest degree thus far, but a great deal of that is possibly down to his lack of size in the LHW division. Let's face it, he doesn't exactly get a great deal of encouragement from the public when fighting in the US - chants of 'USA! USA!' ringing in his ears as he plies his trade. Now that's embarrassing.
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Post #16 12/14/07 1:47:43PM
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JoeMimic
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Season: 14-7 (#1244)
Location: Salem,Oregon
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Maybe this is who Evan Tanner is going to be fighting 
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Post #17 12/14/07 2:14:32PM
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bezun
Banned
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Leben Bispbing 1......... OOh Yeah!
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Post #18 12/14/07 2:19:01PM
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Kainlock
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Season: 15-6 (#1795)
Location: Columbia, SC
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it's the same story of alot of fighters, if they seem small in the division or it a road block they move down so they can be bigger and stronger then the rest.
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Post #19 12/14/07 2:44:01PM
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Posted by moob
I feel there is an unhealthy disregard for Bisping's abilities on here. I also feel that this sentiment is borne from an unhealthy disregard from across the Atlantic, and nothing terribly valid.
I agree. I think if Bispings's comments had been directed at another brit, or he was american and made those comments, theres no way hed be getting as much stick. Hes a very talented fighter, and i think he can hang with anybody in the mw division bar anderson, and mabeys rich. Its like, a judge makes a bad call and all of a sudden mike has no talent!? silly really.
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Post #20 12/14/07 2:52:23PM
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StevieC
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Posted by skateongrass91
thats good we need some big names at middleweight right now, he wasnt too hot at light heavy so hopefully hell do better at middleweight
Big name is all he is....Big fighter he is not....
Hopefully he will do well at MW, I like him better there. He wouldn't of done anything in LHW against the Top Dogs....
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Post #21 12/14/07 3:14:22PM
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pv3Hpv3p
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Career record: 171-118
Season: 11-10 (#4494)
Location: St. Paul, MN
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Posted by moob
The guy has talent, I agree that he perhaps hasn't developed to the greatest degree thus far, but a great deal of that is possibly down to his lack of size in the LHW division. Let's face it, he doesn't exactly get a great deal of encouragement from the public when fighting in the US - chants of 'USA! USA!' ringing in his ears as he plies his trade. Now that's embarrassing.
Besides the TUF Finale, half of Bisbing's UFC fights have been in England... And what of the booing his opponents get over there across the pond... How enbarrassing is that?
The reason a lot of people have a certain disdain for Bisping mostly stems from the comments he made after the Hamil fight and his cocky attitude...
As a fighter, I think he can get over the USA chants, just like Anderson does or Wanderlei will... Or Cro Cop or Gonzaga or anyother fighter competing in the US that isn't from the states... It seems that he gets plenty of favor (and his opponents get the opposite) when he fights in front of his home crowd...
It's not as much that you sense that American's don't like him, I think it's the sense that we are not as enamored with him as the Brits are (rightfully so) that bugs you
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Post #22 12/14/07 3:16:44PM
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Godspeed and Party On
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Posted by pv3Hpv3p
Posted by moob
The guy has talent, I agree that he perhaps hasn't developed to the greatest degree thus far, but a great deal of that is possibly down to his lack of size in the LHW division. Let's face it, he doesn't exactly get a great deal of encouragement from the public when fighting in the US - chants of 'USA! USA!' ringing in his ears as he plies his trade. Now that's embarrassing.
Besides the TUF Finale, half of Bisbing's UFC fights have been in England... And what of the booing his opponents get over there across the pond... How enbarrassing is that?
The reason a lot of people have a certain disdain for Bisping mostly stems from the comments he made after the Hamil fight and his cocky attitude...
As a fighter, I think he can get over the USA chants, just like Anderson does or Wanderlei will... Or Cro Cop or Gonzaga or anyother fighter competing in the US that isn't from the states... It seems that he gets plenty of favor (and his opponents get the opposite) when he fights in front of his home crowd...
It's not as much that you sense that American's don't like him, I think it's the sense that we are not as enamored with him as the Brits are (rightfully so) that bugs you
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Post #23 12/14/07 3:37:27PM
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nickcuc547
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bisping will make a great middleweight and he brings a big boost to that division, im fired up.
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Post #24 12/14/07 3:49:48PM
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GlancyMMA
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Season: 12-9 (#2629)
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Oh by no means do I believe Kendall would have an easy task if he were to step into the cage with silva.
However, I would be interested to see how Silva deals with a good grappler.
Silva is best known as a striker, big Muay Thai guy..... people always question his ground game.... He took down lutter (an amazing BJJ specialist) and destroyed him using those long legs and the wicked leverage that goes along with them. He was a little overwhelmed when Marquardt got on top of him on the ground and again his long limbs helped him deal with that. So I'm looking to see Silva on the ground pushing a little BJJ with another long lanky fighter...
Thus an interesting fight....
Thats an easy fight to give to Silva striking.... I wanna see Silva push his ground game and prove his talent on the mat. It would be a worthwhile fight for him to shut up his critics... career move wise.... its just another title defence....
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Post #25 12/14/07 3:53:34PM
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taporsnap25
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if silva fought grove i doubt it would go to the ground. the fight would probably last as long as silva felt like keeping it going, just like both fights against franklin. silva's way too fast and his angles are far too good for grove to even touch him.
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Post #26 12/14/07 4:03:56PM
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nickcuc547
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Posted by GlancyMMA
Oh by no means do I believe Kendall would have an easy task if he were to step into the cage with silva.
However, I would be interested to see how Silva deals with a good grappler.
Silva is best known as a striker, big Muay Thai guy..... people always question his ground game.... He took down lutter (an amazing BJJ specialist) and destroyed him using those long legs and the wicked leverage that goes along with them. He was a little overwhelmed when Marquardt got on top of him on the ground and again his long limbs helped him deal with that. So I'm looking to see Silva on the ground pushing a little BJJ with another long lanky fighter...
Thus an interesting fight....
Thats an easy fight to give to Silva striking.... I wanna see Silva push his ground game and prove his talent on the mat. It would be a worthwhile fight for him to shut up his critics... career move wise.... its just another title defence....
nate marquardt is one of the best grapplers in the middleweight division and silva hammered him. i think a great wrestler has the best chance to beat him and that guy is dan henderson.
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Post #27 12/14/07 4:41:28PM
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nickcuc547
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discussing a possible grove vs. silva fight is a complete slap in the face to silva, no disrespect to grove he is a very good fighter, but he isnt even close to being on the same level as silva or even a top ten middleweight fighter for that matter.
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Post #28 12/14/07 4:42:48PM
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Posted by GlancyMMA
Oh by no means do I believe Kendall would have an easy task if he were to step into the cage with silva.
However, I would be interested to see how Silva deals with a good grappler.
Silva is best known as a striker, big Muay Thai guy..... people always question his ground game.... He took down lutter (an amazing BJJ specialist) and destroyed him using those long legs and the wicked leverage that goes along with them. He was a little overwhelmed when Marquardt got on top of him on the ground and again his long limbs helped him deal with that. So I'm looking to see Silva on the ground pushing a little BJJ with another long lanky fighter...
Thus an interesting fight....
Thats an easy fight to give to Silva striking.... I wanna see Silva push his ground game and prove his talent on the mat. It would be a worthwhile fight for him to shut up his critics... career move wise.... its just another title defence....
Man, the only thing Grove will receive if this fight happen ( beside a massive headacke ) is a public humiliation. I know that everything can happen in an MMA fight but stating that Grove is a top grappler and Silva will or can have problem to beat him is a non sence.
Kendall will be destroy . He is nowhere close to a top 5 guys, he is not even in the top 10 since his KO against Cote.
Xtreme couture is a really good training camp but come on !!
I think Andy Wang would have a better chance to beat BJ than Grove to beat Silva !!
And the chance to see Wang beating BJ is close to 0 so.. !
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Post #29 12/14/07 4:58:56PM
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Posted by GlancyMMA
Oh by no means do I believe Kendall would have an easy task if he were to step into the cage with silva.
However, I would be interested to see how Silva deals with a good grappler.
Silva is best known as a striker, big Muay Thai guy..... people always question his ground game.... He took down lutter (an amazing BJJ specialist) and destroyed him using those long legs and the wicked leverage that goes along with them. He was a little overwhelmed when Marquardt got on top of him on the ground and again his long limbs helped him deal with that. So I'm looking to see Silva on the ground pushing a little BJJ with another long lanky fighter...
Thus an interesting fight....
Thats an easy fight to give to Silva striking.... I wanna see Silva push his ground game and prove his talent on the mat. It would be a worthwhile fight for him to shut up his critics... career move wise.... its just another title defence....
I think im sensing a pattern here. Did it ever occur to you that Silva's ground game is all about utilizing those long limbs? It seems obvious to me for a long lanky guy to utilize those limbs to his advantage. How about instead of him testing himself on the ground, everyone else figures out how to deal with his stand up or how to keep him down? Last time i checked he had the belt, so people need to challenge him, not the other way around. Oh, and beating kendal via submission would not shut up his critics, they would say that kendal was out of his league and someone like nathan marquardt should have been in there....wait...
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