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postman
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I know you will say Shogun but that wasn't the real Shogun we all know that. Before that Hector Ramirez. He has lost to Jardine and Tito in the UFC he has beat Bonnar 2 times, and holds wins over Elvis Sinosic and Bill Mahood. Not exactly the resume of a guy on the top of the food chain. Why is it so important for the coaches to fight at the end of the season? It seems to me to be just another angle for Dana to keep his 205 champ on top as long as he can.
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Post #1 12/11/07 4:55:31AM
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moob
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You tryin to say that the Shogun he beat was an impostor?
Seriously, Shogun showed up, was considered one of the best in the LHW division, and got beat. Given the state of the LHW division at the moment, Forrest is as good as any other contender at the moment.
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Post #2 12/11/07 5:10:24AM
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postman
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No i'm saying Shogun's ACL was shot he had no Cardio and he was pushed into a fight he wasn't ready for. You have Soko Machida coming up you have Chuck Wandy coming up Rampage is hurt he not going to fight anytime soon. Right theres 4 guys that you could figure out something better than Forrest.
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Post #3 12/11/07 5:15:45AM
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Rich78
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I agree with moob.
I hate it when people say "wasn't the real Shogun ". I'm pretty sure, in fact I'm 100% it was. His trainers and cornermen should surely know him well enough to realise if it wasn't the real Shogun. Not to mention the fight officials. And if this really wasn't the real Rua, then surely he should be liable for some sort of punishment for sending in a ringer?
Sorry, I'm being facescious, but to answer your question, he beat Shogun.
Yeah, he may have been injured, but so was Forrest. And if he was injured to the extent that he wasn't going to win the match, he should have pulled out. Griffin won fairly squarely.
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Post #4 12/11/07 5:16:35AM
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NatedawgThaM
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Shogun(#1 in th world at the time) 
He was beating Jardine til he got caught. Jardine was eating everything he threw. Just one punch got him. He SHOULD have beaten Tito. Tito won 1st by LNP. Forrest owned Tito all around in the 2nd. They only gave tito the 3rd because of that last second takedown. Forrest was even owning him on his back! The dumb judges just wanted to see Tito/Chuck 2. They knew Tito would have to start back up if he lost.
Forrest is a warrior. Heart of a champion. I think him and Rampage have Fight of the Century. Both love to have wars and slug. Great wrestling. DAMN!
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Post #5 12/11/07 5:23:35AM
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Khaos
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I think he does, his win proved Shogun was Hype
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Post #6 12/11/07 5:51:55AM
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moob
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Posted by postman
No i'm saying Shogun's ACL was shot he had no Cardio and he was pushed into a fight he wasn't ready for. You have Soko Machida coming up you have Chuck Wandy coming up Rampage is hurt he not going to fight anytime soon. Right theres 4 guys that you could figure out something better than Forrest.
Soko and Machida not got up and coming fights soon? Chuck has been beaten twice in pretty serious fashion - if he got a shot wouldn't there be more controversy? Wandy is only just coming into the UFC again - see Chuck rationale for why he shouldn't get a shot. Rampage is the champion and will be fighting Forrest, so I dunno why you even mentioned him.
Not trying to be confrontational here, but your argument against Forrest seems to stem from you being a Shogun fan, and the latter getting his ass whopped.
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Post #7 12/11/07 6:06:48AM
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Posted by NatedawgThaM
He SHOULD have beaten Tito. Tito won 1st by LNP. Forrest owned Tito all around in the 2nd. They only gave tito the 3rd because of that last second takedown. Forrest was even owning him on his back! The dumb judges just wanted to see Tito/Chuck 2. They knew Tito would have to start back up if he lost.
Dude, I'm know you're trying to make a point, but go watch the Forrest and Tito fight again, and tell me the first round was a Tito Lay and Pray round. Forrest was lucky to even make it out of the round, and most people scored it 10-8 because Forrest ate elbows for 4 minutes straight.
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Post #8 12/11/07 6:16:01AM
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postman
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Posted by moob
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No i'm saying Shogun's ACL was shot he had no Cardio and he was pushed into a fight he wasn't ready for. You have Soko Machida coming up you have Chuck Wandy coming up Rampage is hurt he not going to fight anytime soon. Right theres 4 guys that you could figure out something better than Forrest.
Soko and Machida not got up and coming fights soon? Chuck has been beaten twice in pretty serious fashion - if he got a shot wouldn't there be more controversy? Wandy is only just coming into the UFC again - see Chuck rationale for why he shouldn't get a shot. Rampage is the champion and will be fighting Forrest, so I dunno why you even mentioned him.
Not trying to be confrontational here, but your argument against Forrest seems to stem from you being a Shogun fan, and the latter getting his ass whopped.
Soko and machida are fighting I think that the winner of that should get Forrest for a title shot. I know most of you don't put any stock in Pride fights but Wandy beat Page twice BAD, Page should want him out of the gate to avenge his losses. Soko beat lil nog and Arona if he beats Machida thats three if not top ten then top fifteen fighters in a row. It is funny to me that no one puts any stock into fights from Pride but you all jump to say he beat Shogun so he should get a shot.
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Post #9 12/11/07 6:27:42AM
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Posted by postman
Posted by moob
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No i'm saying Shogun's ACL was shot he had no Cardio and he was pushed into a fight he wasn't ready for. You have Soko Machida coming up you have Chuck Wandy coming up Rampage is hurt he not going to fight anytime soon. Right theres 4 guys that you could figure out something better than Forrest.
Soko and Machida not got up and coming fights soon? Chuck has been beaten , twice in pretty serious fashion - if he got a shot wouldn't there be more controversy? Wandy is only just coming into the UFC again - see Chuck rationale for why he shouldn't get a shot. Rampage is the champion and will befighting Forrest, so I dunno why you even mentioned him.
Not trying to be confrontational here, but your argument against Forrest seems to stem from you being a Shogun fan, and the latter getting his ass whopped.
Soko and machida are fighting I think that the winner of that should get Forrest
for a title shot. I know most of you don't put any stock in Pride fights but Wandy beat Page twice BAD, Page should want him out of the gate to avenge his losses. Soko beat lil nog and Arona if he beats Machida thats three if not top ten then top fifteen fighters in a row. It is funny to me that no one puts any stock into fights from Pride but you all jump to say he beat Shogun so he should get a shot.
" HEY, wait a minute mr. postman, "
Lets start from the beginning.
1. You first undervalue Griffins win, by saying" we all know that wasn't the real Shogun" , also implying that the "real Shogun" would beat Griffin. Forrest didn't just win , he finished Shogun. Then you imply that everyone agrees with your opinion. Definitely not true, as this thread alone should have showed you. I picked Shogun to win too, but I was wrong. I thought Forrest could maybe pull out a decision, due to SHogun having possible UFC jitters, and Shogun losing his last fight in a cage to Babalu. Still, I made him a heavy favorite in my mind, and all of us who thought the same were proven wrong. Forrest subbing him, and Shogun tapping out with so little time left impressed me all the more towards Forrest, and left me with doubts about Ruas mental toughness. When a fighter taps out to a choke with so little time left , it raises doubts in me. It's not like he was in a arm/knee bar and usually would have suffered longterm damage, Guys get choked out all the time , and got to be extremely negligible amount of them that have any lasting problems from it. I saw it happen twice in a gym on the same day , to the same guy. He was back grappling the next day. A large number of people had Shogun #1 at LHVY before that fight .
2.Then you throw out the injury card. Someone even pointed out that Forrest claimed injury as well. We don't know if either really was injured coming in, and even if we accept there claims, Forrest still won. We don't know the truth behind any fighters injury claims ,unless they had a MRI before the fight ,and it was shown to credible sources beforehand. Personally I will take both guys words for it, but it's still just a opinion, not a fact. Give credit where it is due and stop making excuses. Fighters lose, and it's how they come back that defines them more than anything.
3. Then you automatically assume and take for granted" Sokodjou/Machida/ Chuck/ Wandy " are 4 guys that you could figure out something better than Forrest" . I personally agree that the winner of Skoludjou/Machida would be the best choice, if the winner is impressive in victory, but that doesn't mean Forrest isn't also deserving . Chuck and Wandy both have back to back losses, and IMO neither is deserving without 2 straight wins against top fighters. So I think the winner of their fight still needs another impressive victory to be up for a title shot. However, it is just a opinion again. not a fact.
4. Then you state " most of you" don't put any stock in Pride fights, which is probably one of the more ridiculous things I have ever read on a MMA message board. the overwhelming majority( over 80% ) of this sites membership had Shogun #1 or #2 when he fought Forrest. If your alarmist statement were true then that wouldn't be the case. There is so much broad speculation, and blatant hyperbole from you , that I figure you must think we are all stupid. Whether you are a big Shogun fan. someone who dislikes Forrest, a Pride lover, UFC hater, or just someone trying to stir up crap, it is still just your opinion. Heres some facts, water is wet, the sky is blue, and Forrest stopped Shogun. Give the guy his credit, and chill on the bitterness, hyperbole, and assumptions that all agree with you. As always just my opinion
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Post #10 12/11/07 7:28:49AM
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xchickox
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Posted by hippysmacker
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No i'm saying Shogun's ACL was shot he had no Cardio and he was pushed into a fight he wasn't ready for. You have Soko Machida coming up you have Chuck Wandy coming up Rampage is hurt he not going to fight anytime soon. Right theres 4 guys that you could figure out something better than Forrest.
Soko and Machida not got up and coming fights soon? Chuck has been beaten , twice in pretty serious fashion - if he got a shot wouldn't there be more controversy? Wandy is only just coming into the UFC again - see Chuck rationale for why he shouldn't get a shot. Rampage is the champion and will befighting Forrest, so I dunno why you even mentioned him.
Not trying to be confrontational here, but your argument against Forrest seems to stem from you being a Shogun fan, and the latter getting his ass whopped.
Soko and machida are fighting I think that the winner of that should get Forrest
for a title shot. I know most of you don't put any stock in Pride fights but Wandy beat Page twice BAD, Page should want him out of the gate to avenge his losses. Soko beat lil nog and Arona if he beats Machida thats three if not top ten then top fifteen fighters in a row. It is funny to me that no one puts any stock into fights from Pride but you all jump to say he beat Shogun so he should get a shot.
" HEY, wait a minute mr. postman, "
just for this line this is the best post ever
i think forrest deserves the shot, he beat shogun...injury or no injury it doesn't matter
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Post #11 12/11/07 7:50:54AM
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Boo_Radley21
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I'm fine with Forrest getting a title shot, he's deserving IMO. The only other person that might bring up some controversy is Keith Jardine who knocked out Forrest and beat Chuck. But hey, if Jardine keeps it up he'll probably get a shot soon too.
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Post #12 12/11/07 9:11:42AM
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fullerene
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I'm sure the plan was to have Rampage fight a rematch with Shogun and then a rematch with the winner of Liddell-Silva. Those plans got wrecked when Liddell and Shogun lost. Forrest might not be a flawless fighter but he's coming off the best win of any other contender so it makes sense to have him fight next while guys like Jardine, Liddell, Machida, Evans, Silva and Soku look to build up some momentum.
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Post #13 12/11/07 9:39:00AM
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gsquat
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I am olso "okay" with Forrest getting a title shot. He's a cool guy, a decent fighter, and he's worked hard. However, do I think there are others who deserve a title shot more? Of course.
Look at it this way. Forrest comes off the show beating Stephan Bonnar by split decision in the finale. Following that fight he defeats Bill Mahood and Elvis Sinosic... meh. He' still not in the top 20. Then he loses to Tito Ortiz. That in no way can raise his rank. A loss is a loss and it should always set you back on the rankings. So he goes back to someone hes beat before. Bonnar. He beats him and hes where? Back to where he was before losing to TIto? Then he loses to Keith Jardine in a very convincing fashion. At the time Keith Jardine hadn't beat $hit either. So Forrest's postion in the LH div should be in trouble. So he beats Hector Ramirez who is a decent fighter and puts himself maybe just inside the top 20 in the UFC. How does he, after beating Rua, go from being a so-so fighter to the next best to Rampage? Please. This is just good tv for Forrest to be in the position he's in. I know I can think of at least one more deserving fighter who hasn't lost at all (see avatar).
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Post #14 12/11/07 10:26:35AM
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pinoymixplaya
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I see where you are coming from because Shogun did not seem like himself that night, but you should know by now that the UFC schedules fights according to marketability not because who would really deserve it the most...it sucks, definitely, but that is just how it rolls in Dana's hood...
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Post #15 12/11/07 10:31:36AM
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