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NatedawgThaM
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I think this would be a great fight and the best fight you could make right now. Both I can say IMO have not beaten the best quality fighters but have been finishing them. IMO there biggest wins happened in there last fight. Kenflo dominated Din Thomas. Huerta barely beat Guida in fight of the year in somes opinions because of how back and forth it went.
I seriously think this should happen. Have the winner of this face the winner of Tyson Griffin/Tibau and the winner of that fight gets the next title shot AFTER Frank Edgar fights the winner of BJ/Joe. You could throw Sherk in here somewhere sinc ehe got stripped but I think he should start from the bottom not because he deserves to be there but just to earn respect back and prove he can do it without roids.
Thoughts?
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Post #1 12/9/07 4:24:19PM
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Posted by NatedawgThaM
I think this would be a great fight and the best fight you could make right now. Both I can say IMO have not beaten the best quality fighters but have been finishing them. IMO there biggest wins happened in there last fight. Kenflo dominated Din Thomas. Huerta barely beat Guida in fight of the year in somes opinions because of how back and forth it went.
I seriously think this should happen. Have the winner of this face the winner of Tyson Griffin/Tibau and the winner of that fight gets the next title shot AFTER Frank Edgar fights the winner of BJ/Joe. You could throw Sherk in here somewhere sinc ehe got stripped but I think he should start from the bottom not because he deserves to be there but just to earn respect back and prove he can do it without roids.
Thoughts?
Sure, this would be a great fight, but I still think Huerta needs another fight or two before getting tossed in with the big dogs.
I think Edgar would be a good next fight for him.
If Sherk is not offered the immediate title shot against Penn/Stevenson, I think Kenflo should be the #1 contender for that first shot at the title.
I really like Huerta, but Guida was his first victory over a guy that was not making his UFC debut. I think he should have to defeat at least 2-3 top 10 guys before getting mentioned as the #1 contender for the belt.
Also, what has happened to Franca in all this? When will he be cleared to fight again?
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Post #2 12/9/07 5:24:08PM
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Sure, this would be a great fight, but I still think Huerta needs another fight or two before getting tossed in with the big dogs.
I think Edgar would be a good next fight for him.
If Sherk is not offered the immediate title shot against Penn/Stevenson, I think Kenflo should be the #1 contender for that first shot at the title.
I really like Huerta, but Guida was his first victory over a guy that was not making his UFC debut. I think he should have to defeat at least 2-3 top 10 guys before getting mentioned as the #1 contender for the belt.
Also, what has happened to Franca in all this? When will he be cleared to fight again?
you consider florian to be a "big dog"? florian hasn't proven anything to me, his win over din thomas was debatable because of the knee injury thomas suffered during that fall and he got dominated by sherk...nothing in those two fights warranted him being among the top at LW in my eyes. i think edgar is more of a big dog than florian by a longshot as his wins have come over extremely high regarded fighters in griffin and fisher. i think huerta should face florian while edgar faces the winner of tibau / griffin. imo, griffin and edgar are closer to #1 contenders than florian, with huerta right up there with 'em.
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Post #3 12/9/07 5:49:49PM
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rabbit915
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I think this would be a great fight but i dont think it should determine the next contender. Whoever wins this fight should get thrown into the contender and maybe with another win after this would they become the next contender.
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Post #4 12/9/07 6:51:04PM
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Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Posted by stock
Sure, this would be a great fight, but I still think Huerta needs another fight or two before getting tossed in with the big dogs.
I think Edgar would be a good next fight for him.
If Sherk is not offered the immediate title shot against Penn/Stevenson, I think Kenflo should be the #1 contender for that first shot at the title.
I really like Huerta, but Guida was his first victory over a guy that was not making his UFC debut. I think he should have to defeat at least 2-3 top 10 guys before getting mentioned as the #1 contender for the belt.
Also, what has happened to Franca in all this? When will he be cleared to fight again?
you consider florian to be a "big dog"? florian hasn't proven anything to me, his win over din thomas was debatable because of the knee injury thomas suffered during that fall and he got dominated by sherk...nothing in those two fights warranted him being among the top at LW in my eyes. i think edgar is more of a big dog than florian by a longshot as his wins have come over extremely high regarded fighters in griffin and fisher. i think huerta should face florian while edgar faces the winner of tibau / griffin. imo, griffin and edgar are closer to #1 contenders than florian, with huerta right up there with 'em.
Come on man. No lightweight EVER has not gotten dominated by Sherk.
Florian is 6-1 against UFC lightweights (he has finished all 6 wins). I respect your opinion about the Thomas fight, but my opinion is that Kenflo would have won that fight regardless. Again, IMO, Kenflo is a much better fighter than Thomas. He is a BJJ black belt that has spent the better portion of a year in Thailand sharpening his muy thai skills.
So yes, I consider Florian a top dog in the LW division.
In order, I would rank Sherk, Penn, Florian, Franca, Stevenson, Edgar, and Griffin above Huerta yet.
This doesn't mean that I don't think Huerta is a better fighter; it just means that Huerta has not proven it yet.
Unlike some "top ten" lists, I base mine almost entirely by what a fighter has proven.
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Post #5 12/9/07 8:07:38PM
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Come on man. No lightweight EVER has not gotten dominated by Sherk.
Florian is 6-1 against UFC lightweights (he has finished all 6 wins). I respect your opinion about the Thomas fight, but my opinion is that Kenflo would have won that fight regardless. Again, IMO, Kenflo is a much better fighter than Thomas. He is a BJJ black belt that has spent the better portion of a year in Thailand sharpening his muy thai skills.
So yes, I consider Florian a top dog in the LW division.
In order, I would rank Sherk, Penn, Florian, Franca, Stevenson, Edgar, and Griffin above Huerta yet.
This doesn't mean that I don't think Huerta is a better fighter; it just means that Huerta has not proven it yet.
Unlike some "top ten" lists, I base mine almost entirely by what a fighter has proven.
respectable argument, but in my eyes i just don't think florian proved anything more to me than griffin, edgar or joe stevenson has. my LW in the ufc go like this:
bj penn
sherk
joe daddy
edgar
griffin
huerta
florian
guida
thomas
fisher
now, for my world LW rankings, only 5 of them are there (i refuse to rank sherk due to the steroid conviction). Pretty much your view on florian is the same view i have on huerta and vice-versa although i feel that edgar can potentially beat both of them. i guess our perspectives are just different.
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Post #6 12/9/07 8:36:45PM
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i think it would be a good fight
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Post #7 12/9/07 8:39:35PM
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Twenty20Dollars
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I dont think i'd like this fight, i think huerta would win tko.
Rather see Kenflo vs Tyson and Huerta vs Edgar
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Post #8 12/9/07 9:06:27PM
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I think Florian would submit him. He gave up his back quite a few times to Guida and let him get the hooks in, if he does that against Florian, Stevenson, or BJ he will probably get submitted.
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Post #9 12/9/07 10:56:56PM
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chickmagnet
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I say Kenflo vs. Huerta, great fight, way too hard too pick a
winner.
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Post #10 12/10/07 12:31:26AM
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ohiostate1016
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What about Huerta vs. Sherk at UFC 82? Even though I would like to see Huerta/Florian, I would like to see this fight even more. I know that they really don't want to throw Huerta in there as a young up and comer against a guy that has a good shot to beat him, but they really have no choice. It's either Sherk, Florian, or Edgar for Huerta, and all of those are tough matches. There are just so many guys right now at 155, and it's very difficult to predict where the UFC has each of these guys on the totem poll.
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Post #11 12/10/07 1:51:14AM
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I agree i would like to see that fight
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Post #12 12/10/07 6:43:11AM
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Posted by stock
Posted by jiujitsufreak74
Posted by stock
Sure, this would be a great fight, but I still think Huerta needs another fight or two before getting tossed in with the big dogs.
I think Edgar would be a good next fight for him.
If Sherk is not offered the immediate title shot against Penn/Stevenson, I think Kenflo should be the #1 contender for that first shot at the title.
I really like Huerta, but Guida was his first victory over a guy that was not making his UFC debut. I think he should have to defeat at least 2-3 top 10 guys before getting mentioned as the #1 contender for the belt.
Also, what has happened to Franca in all this? When will he be cleared to fight again?
you consider florian to be a "big dog"? florian hasn't proven anything to me, his win over din thomas was debatable because of the knee injury thomas suffered during that fall and he got dominated by sherk...nothing in those two fights warranted him being among the top at LW in my eyes. i think edgar is more of a big dog than florian by a longshot as his wins have come over extremely high regarded fighters in griffin and fisher. i think huerta should face florian while edgar faces the winner of tibau / griffin. imo, griffin and edgar are closer to #1 contenders than florian, with huerta right up there with 'em.
Come on man. No lightweight EVER has not gotten dominated by Sherk.
Florian is 6-1 against UFC lightweights (he has finished all 6 wins). I respect your opinion about the Thomas fight, but my opinion is that Kenflo would have won that fight regardless. Again, IMO, Kenflo is a much better fighter than Thomas. He is a BJJ black belt that has spent the better portion of a year in Thailand sharpening his muy thai skills.
So yes, I consider Florian a top dog in the LW division.
In order, I would rank Sherk, Penn, Florian, Franca, Stevenson, Edgar, and Griffin above Huerta yet.
This doesn't mean that I don't think Huerta is a better fighter; it just means that Huerta has not proven it yet.
Unlike some "top ten" lists, I base mine almost entirely by what a fighter has proven.
I agree with you 100%
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Post #13 12/10/07 8:52:19AM
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tylerlee123
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Huerta doesnt deserve Kenflo yet he must face Lauzon first that would be a match
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Post #14 12/10/07 6:07:52PM
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themmadigest
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That'd be a really good fight. Both guys won't stop. Huerta has dangerous standup and Florian's Muay Thai is refined and powerful as well. On the ground Florian has some solid BJJ, as does Huerta. But with the BJJ blackbelt on his resume and grappling credentials, Florian would come in on paper as the more accomplished BJJ grappler. It'd be a pretty wild fight. That might end up being the next battle for both these fighters, perhaps having Florian commentate on the fight was a precursor to having him fight the winner.
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Post #15 12/10/07 10:43:33PM
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