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Posted by Snacks

I'm pretty sure Renzo was milking it, however I do believe he was hurt.



Right, I think he got knocked out from the knee and was milking it as something worse. Between dramatically covering his face with his hands, and sitting there with his eyes wide open, I was half expecting him to act like he had amnesia next.

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Posted by Snacks

I'm pretty sure Renzo was milking it, however I do believe he was hurt.



Right, I think he got knocked out from the knee and was milking it as something worse. Between dramatically covering his face with his hands, and sitting there with his eyes wide open, I was half expecting him to act like he had amnesia next.



...you R wrong..

How would like it to have Shamrock knee you to the back of the neck right now and see how you feel(twice)

you do know your neck is connected to your head right? (spine/brain)

hold two fingers out and feel the back of your neck...you feel that nerve there on the side?? imagine being hit there with knees

we all have eyes and we all saw Renzo's head bounce off Franks knee

for you

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Posted by Snacks

I'm pretty sure Renzo was milking it, however I do believe he was hurt.



Right, I think he got knocked out from the knee and was milking it as something worse. Between dramatically covering his face with his hands, and sitting there with his eyes wide open, I was half expecting him to act like he had amnesia next.



...you're an idiot..

i would love to knee you to the back of the neck right now and see how you feel(twice)

you do know your neck is connected to your head right? (spine/brain)

hold two fingers out and feel the back of your neck...you feel that nerve there on the side?? imagine being hit there with knees

we all have eyes and we all saw Renzo's head bounce off Franks knee

for you



We also saw him kickin back afterwards laughing around afterwards as though nothing was wrong. I want you to be KO'd to the point where you're nearly blind as Renzo portrayed himself, then within 15 minutes get to the point where you're perfectly fine. Please, it'll make my day.

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First off, lets leave the keyboard ninja stuff aside, shall we?

Yes, your neck is connected to your head. Your hand is also connected to your wrist. If I punch you in the wrist, does it hurt your hand? Probably not.

Yes, getting hit in the neck hurts. Its also a legal move, and plenty of fights in MMA have been won with strikes to the neck.

I have eyes as well, and Frank pulled Renzos head towards his own before throwing the knees, which landed in the neck/collarbone area. Watch it again if you don't believe me.

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I won't get to see the fights for three more hours when I get off work and run home to the dvr, but I will say that it isn't uncommon for a fighter on the losing end of the stick to milk an injury. You see it all the time with ball shots and headbutts. But an illegal strike is still an illegal strike. Different rules for different playgrounds. But from the way everyone is describing it it probably should have been a no contest. I will review the fight and if necessary adjust my opinions later tonight at work.

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Really, I think No Contests should be used much more often, as I hate it when someone gets a win over a bullshit decision. Different circumstance, but Vitor vs. Couture 2 was similar to this fight in that it was ended by a questionably legal strike, resulted in an injury, but Vitor got the win.

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That one definitely should have been no contest in my book. I screamed at the tv on that one. No part of that strike hit him except the seam end of the glove. Randy essentially lost by way of papercut. It should be like the boxing rule. After a certain amount of time a stoppage should go to the cards, before that it is a no contest.

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Agreed, that should have been a no contest, and so should the Frank fight, rather than a DQ. Agreed on the score cards issue as well, although that would be hard to do in MMA being as they only do a quarter of the rounds boxing does. In boxing, they only allow that if its gone over three rounds, right?

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Posted by mrsumo

I won't get to see the fights for three more hours when I get off work and run home to the dvr, but I will say that it isn't uncommon for a fighter on the losing end of the stick to milk an injury. You see it all the time with ball shots and headbutts. But an illegal strike is still an illegal strike. Different rules for different playgrounds. But from the way everyone is describing it it probably should have been a no contest. I will review the fight and if necessary adjust my opinions later tonight at work.



How should it have been a no-contest? Shamrock had already been warned, then threw the same illegal stike, twice in a row and to the back of the head. If a fighter is stopped or cannont continue because of an injury resulting from an illegal strike then it is a DQ, especially in this case where it was deemed the strike was intentional.

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Yep thats right, I can hear Buffers voice reciting the rules in my head. How far into the bout did this happen with Frank?

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About half way through round two, of a three round fight.

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Posted by Snacks

How should it have been a no-contest? Shamrock had already been warned, then threw the same illegal stike, twice in a row and to the back of the head. If a fighter is stopped or cannont continue because of an injury resulting from an illegal strike then it is a DQ, especially in this case where it was deemed the strike was intentional.



Shamrock had been warned when he was throwing the Igor Vochancyn style knuckle punches around Renzos head, which at least connected to the back of the head. The knees were not illegal. The rules are no knees to the head of a downed opponent, and no strikes to the back of the head. He didn't hit the head, so he didn't break the rules.

Herb also raised his hand right after Renzo fell over, so him suddenly deciding he was intentionally commiting a foul doesn't hold water with me.

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Either way here would have been better than a dq. A no contest would have good and we would have seen a quick rematch. Going to the cards would have been good to settle some controversy. I don't know, just seems like a bitch ending to what was supposed to be the battle of the two great houses.

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How should it have been a no-contest? Shamrock had already been warned, then threw the same illegal stike, twice in a row and to the back of the head. If a fighter is stopped or cannont continue because of an injury resulting from an illegal strike then it is a DQ, especially in this case where it was deemed the strike was intentional.



Shamrock had been warned when he was throwing the Igor Vochancyn style knuckle punches around Renzos head, which at least connected to the back of the head. The knees were not illegal. The rules are no knees to the head of a downed opponent, and no strikes to the back of the head. He didn't hit the head, so he didn't break the rules.

Herb also raised his hand right after Renzo fell over, so him suddenly deciding he was intentionally commiting a foul doesn't hold water with me.



And 2 knees on the ground does not equal downed? Did we suddenly enter bizarro world?

Wait wait wait, after re-reading this, the knees didn't hit the back of the head? uhhhh..... kay.

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Knees on the ground are legal, as long as they're not to the head. Frank probably threw two dozen knees on the ground during that fight.

I'm sick of arguing about this though. Mrsumo, if I could ask a favor of you, please review the dvr when you get home and give us your take on it at some point. I trust you to be an honest guy and call it like it is.

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