Are you more excited for GSP vs. Matt hughes rather then Matt hughes vs. matt serra |
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Deserved the shot or not, he did what BJ Diego and a list of others that "did deserve" the shot couldn't do. If you think that was a lucky punch you need to rewatch the fight. I've never said it would def happen again, but the lines would be much closer. Matt has never had amazing standup, but that night it was flat out better than Georges', and most ppl seem to see him as one of the most well rounded guys in the world.
I also think ppl tend to ignore the fact Serra has only been finished once. (and THAT was a lucky punch). He seems to have gotten better rather than worse over the years and I've been excited to see where he would really work into the division.
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Post #31 11/28/07 6:04:31PM
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Tuvok, when did I tell you what to think or do, man? I did say it wasn't a lucky punch, man. I did say to respect what he's done and that it may not have been lightning hitting, man. I've never claimed him as a hero or a fav fighter, man. If I thought he was the best I'd have him at #1, man. He's already jumped from unranked to #4 on my list, man. If this were a ranking where you have championship position and then start w/ #1 contender it'd be diff, man. Or if he had defended in the last 8 mos it'd be diff, man.
You just get insulted everytime you see my av, don't you? Don't worry, it's about to get a lot bigger.
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Post #32 11/28/07 6:16:47PM
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Tuvok, when did I tell you what to think or do, man? I did say it wasn't a lucky punch, man. I did say to respect what he's done and that it may not have been lightning hitting, man. I've never claimed him as a hero or a fav fighter, man. If I thought he was the best I'd have him at #1, man. He's already jumped from unranked to #4 on my list, man. If this were a ranking where you have championship position and then start w/ #1 contender it'd be diff, man. Or if he had defended in the last 8 mos it'd be diff, man.
You just get insulted everytime you see my av, don't you? Don't worry, it's about to get a lot bigger.
man, i am not insulted what so ever by your comment !!
it is your opinion and it is equal to another opinion.
i have just replied to prove to you , that even if i really thing that Serra got lucky, i gave him full credit of his win by giving him my #1 ww spot, witch is normal because he got the belt.
i don't see how Hughes , GSP and Kossheck can be rank higher at this moment considering that they don't have the belt, so i show you your double standard.
don't take it to hard man, i am not a child, i am 35 and i can forget a comment very fast !
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Post #33 11/28/07 7:24:38PM
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Serra Hughes would have been better in my imop we have already seen a Hughes Gsp fight twice!! But im still pumped to see gsp dominate hughes one more time!!!
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Post #34 11/28/07 7:25:29PM
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There is a big diff. I never said he's the best, I respect what he's done and hope he continues to do better in the later stages of his career. I think calling him lucky is insulting, jmo, but I also believe at this pt it is premature to call him the best. Hughes has spent yrs at or near the top for a reason.
And the insult thing was a joke. I'd hope you wouldn't really get insulted by seeing my av. lol.
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Post #35 11/28/07 7:35:39PM
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Posted by JimiMak
There is a big diff. I never said he's the best, I respect what he's done and hope he continues to do better in the later stages of his career. I think calling him lucky is insulting, jmo, but I also believe at this pt it is premature to call him the best. Hughes has spent yrs at or near the top for a reason.
And the insult thing was a joke. I'd hope you wouldn't really get insulted by seeing my av. lol.
yes, but the reason because he is #1 in my ranking is only because he got the belt, not because he his the best of all time.
The others fighters like GSP and Hughes are not dead, they can reclaim there rank by beating him, well, 1 of them have to beat him and i guess both will be rank higher.
My ranking is only about actual fight, not how your record is.
the record is usefull to establish your first ranking at the beginning, like me when i came here at the begining of this year, but after that, it is fight by fight and the result after 1 year is the ranking that i have. if you win you move up, if you lose , you go down, if you beat the champ, you are the champ !!
If the ranking was about all time record, it should have some fighter who don't fight anymore.
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Post #36 11/28/07 7:55:42PM
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I'd rather see Serra Hughes as that is a match up with some potential, more than people give it anyway. As someone mentioned above, Serra has only been finished once, and he has fought some pretty tough guys.
As to this lucky punch business... I think 9 out of 10 fights, GSP would win. But there is always a variable that must be accounted for in any fight because anything can happen. Serra's stand up was not better than GSP's that night or any night, but it got the job done. GSP failed to win, he was unperpared for Serra's gameplan.
Hopefully this will all be settled when they fight again...
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Post #37 11/28/07 8:08:40PM
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Posted by cowcatcher
im disappointed because had serra beaten hughes i wouldnt have to listen to all the serra got lucky talk. now before the flaming starts i want to say that i picked hughes to win, but had he lost i would have been happy to not hear the lucky punch talk anymore. this matchup was more than likely inevitable had hughes fought serra, and these are still the 2 most highly regarded WWs in the world right now so as far as good matchups go this is a gem.
I agree! I do think that serra got a lucky punch, but that had to mean that GSP made some kind of mistake to be capitalized on. I was more excited for the Matt VS Matt fight simply because it meant the WW belt would probably change hands and then when Hughes fought GSP that fight would be that much more important and exciting. And if the belt stayed with serra and he ended up beating Hughes then that would be a huge upset and certainly make me rethink my opinion of serra as a fighter.
But the Hughes vs GSP fight will be awesome none the less.
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Post #38 11/28/07 10:28:22PM
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I'm less excited for this fight because while I'm not a huge Hughes fan, Serra needed a beatdown and I think Hughes would have given it to him. Now that fight may never happen.
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Post #39 11/28/07 11:25:39PM
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I just enjoy watching matt hughes if its agasint GSP then it gets me pumped becuase i owuld like to see him beat GSP and if it was against serra i wouldnt get as pumped just becuase i know hughes would dominate serra and they dont have a big a rivalry as hughes GSP.
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Post #40 11/29/07 8:57:52AM
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GSP / Hughes fight is a real fight with 2 top fighters who are going to a war to determine who is the best .
Serra / Hughes fight was a predictable destruction of a low level fighters who win the UFC belt by being the lukiest guy on earth that day , by a top fighter who was insulted for almost a year long .
GSP / Hughes fight is hard to predict, even if i really think that GSP will win the fight, but Serra / Hughes fight was a very easy fight to predict, probably Serra was having a realistic chance of winning the fight like 1 out of 1000 , same as his fight against GSP, so almost a sure well deserve destruction of Serra unless another miracle lucky day !!
so, i am much more exited to have GSP / Hughes for the interim belt !!
Your horrible grammar and spelling serves you right!
LOL !!
feel free to send me the correct english grammar ! i have edited the post a little but it is not perfect !! lol
or just tell me that you desagree with me if you really don't understand !! lol
I totally disagree with what you said. That's why you deserve your grammar and spelling.
Some smart guys like cowcatcher, PrimeElite and JimiMak have already posted this but Serra deserves more respect and I'm so damn tired of the whole "lucky punch" bullshit. It wasn't luck who got inside and landed that first punch, it wasn't luck that was able to stun GSP again and again until he fell down and it wasn't luck standing over GSP landing shots until he was desperately reaching for Big John to step in and save him.
It is not because i think he got lucky that he did not win the fight.
he won the fight, i have him #1 in the WW ranking, he have the belt , if someone ask me who is the WW champ i will answer Serra, etc..
but man, if you believe that there are absolutely no luck in a MMA fight sometimes, you are wrong for sure.
Ed Herman got trap in a full triagle choke at ufc 78 but he was save by the bell, this is luck, Big Nog got rock against herring but it was Yves Lavigne the ref. and he gave him 10X more times to recover than any others referee would have normaly gave him and he did comeback to win the fight, he got lucky to have lavigne as referee , Pulver was in a full armbar against BJ at there first fight but the bell rang just before he tap , this is luck.
As for Serra , he punched GSP behind the head witch put GSP in trouble, normally the ref. would have stop the fight and gave GSP 5 min to recover and was supposed to give a warning to Serra, but the ref did nothing and after that, GSP was in trouble because when you got hit behind the head, the first problem that you have is that your brain give you the wrong information about the distance of your opponent , so the second punch landed and GSP was done.
So , serra got lucky to not receive a warning by the ref. and to have the chance to hit GSP again when he was still in trouble.
he did not got lucky for every single move that he did, but the end of the fight was a direct result of the illegal punch who was not called by the ref.
We see something like that very often in MMA but it doesn't mean that it is not illegal , and when it is not call and you win the fight because of that, iti is your lucky day.
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I agree that getting a ref that doesn't do his job is luck/bad luck but the ring bell doesn't just ring randomly during the fight. Herman was not just lucky the bell rang, Doerkson was responsible for not putting Herman in that situation in time and Herman was part responsible for defending and holding on. As long as both are responsible for their own actions. It's not luck.
Nogueira - Herring not getting stopped on the other hand was luck on Nogueiras part. Nog was lucky that Yves either just didn't do his job or that he had educated himself on Nog´s past recovering abilities.
Whether Serra hit GSP in the back of the head is up for debate. I saw it as more behind the ear than back of the head. Either way I don't think any referee out there would've intervened.
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Post #41 11/29/07 11:14:07AM
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Im excited about GSP and Hughes 3, is it also hard to believe that Matt Hughes picked St. Pierre because he was lookin past serra and already traing for GSP.
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Post #42 11/29/07 6:55:31PM
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why would he be looking past Serra and lookin towards GSP after Serra just beat GSP?
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Post #43 11/30/07 3:22:48PM
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GSP was going to beat the winner of HUGHES VS SERRA anyway... I would honestly rather see Serra KO Hughes then watch Hughes get dominated again by GSP...
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Post #44 12/1/07 2:06:37PM
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GSP will probably win but let's be honest Serra wasn't going to beat Hughes. Serra over GSP is the biggest fluke in mma history. Hughes would dominate him just like he has most everyone else in the division.
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