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Career record: 170-89
Season: 37-18 (#2479)
Location: Regina SK
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Posted by Kainlock
Yeah hopefully Shogun doens't become like Cro Cop.
Shogun's 25, had a torn ACL, obviously could not get his conditioning right. I mean the dude runs marathons, and he gasses after 6 minuets? You have to be kidding me if you don't think something was wrong.
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Post #16 11/22/07 9:48:19PM
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NatedawgThaM
MMA Sensei
Career record: 150-91
Season: 44-24 (#1353)
Location: New Providence, Pa
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Shogun is F'in up whoever he fights. Bottomline. Even against Tito who's proven he can only CLEARLY beat fighters who are past there prime(Ken Shamrock).
Against Vitor, I thought he lost. Against Griffin(An undeveloped fighter) I thought he lost. Against Chuck at 66(Bad gameplan IMO but he still lost), Against Rashad(Undeveloped fighter STILL) I thought he won but it was still close and was still LNP against the cage.
This tells me against an experienced vet like Shogun who had injuries(not mking excuses, all props to Griffin) in his last fight which was actually pretty close IMO because of Shoguns aggression(Props for still being aggressive while injured) I think we he comes back at 100%. He's destroying whoever. I think he kills Tito. I see Tito getting rocked with tons of knees and then stopped with fist. Those close controversial decisions and easy wins over Ken tells me Tito can JUST BARELY hang with the best. I don't think he can touch Shogun. Like Cmillz said. His career is f'd from those back pains. Less explosiveness(Which is why he's not the way he use to be, loss of explosiveness) and pain when he's on his back.
Shogun will be back with a vengence! 
and against Tito. He's destroying him IMO
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Post #17 11/22/07 10:53:43PM
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Manak
MMA Regular
Career record: 133-86
Season: 28-21 (#4542)
Location: Texas
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it should be tito.
gives us a chnace to see what tito has left facin one of the best
then a chance to hopefully see a healthy shougun and this can establish him in the ufc market with a good shownin or win
plus now we get to see the superfights of pride vs ufc and if this is n the superbowl card i deff makes the feb card stcaked from top to bottom
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Post #18 11/22/07 10:57:09PM
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Wins Fairly Squarely
Career record: 207-122
Season: 46-24 (#266)
Location: Cornwall, UK
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I actually already posted this news about 4 days ago from the original source - MMANews - on THIS THREAD - mmajunkie are just really slow at stealing the info and maing their own article 
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Post #19 11/23/07 5:07:09AM
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postman
MMA Sensei
Career record: 149-93
Season: 42-28 (#1631)
Location: Delmont ,Pa
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Posted by tuvok500
Posted by postman
I have a real hard time seeing how Tito can beat a healthy Shogun. I give Forrestt respect for his fight with Rue but come one that was the worst I have ever seen Shogun fight and I'm pretty sure Forrestt wasn't the reason.
Forrest was not the reason ???? Shogun was shadowboxing and he tap to himself after being choked by the invisible man !! LOL
What I was trying to get at was he had a torn Acl and it didn't allow him to be the fighter he is. You are aware that Shogun Ko'ed Rampage in the first round right? It wasn't even a close fight he beat that ass from one end of the ring to the other. The list of fighters Shogun has beat is very impressive and he is only 25. So you can laugh all you want but Forrest Griffen's only chance at beating Shogun is on his worst day and guess what he got.......
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Post #20 11/23/07 11:12:17AM
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gabe531
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Career record: 187-88
Season: 52-18 (#254)
Location: ohio
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Posted by NatedawgThaM
Shogun is F'in up whoever he fights. Bottomline. Even against Tito who's proven he can only CLEARLY beat fighters who are past there prime(Ken Shamrock).
Against Vitor, I thought he lost. Against Griffin(An undeveloped fighter) I thought he lost. Against Chuck at 66(Bad gameplan IMO but he still lost), Against Rashad(Undeveloped fighter STILL) I thought he won but it was still close and was still LNP against the cage.
This tells me against an experienced vet like Shogun who had injuries(not mking excuses, all props to Griffin) in his last fight which was actually pretty close IMO because of Shoguns aggression(Props for still being aggressive while injured) I think we he comes back at 100%. He's destroying whoever. I think he kills Tito. I see Tito getting rocked with tons of knees and then stopped with fist. Those close controversial decisions and easy wins over Ken tells me Tito can JUST BARELY hang with the best. I don't think he can touch Shogun. Like Cmillz said. His career is f'd from those back pains. Less explosiveness(Which is why he's not the way he use to be, loss of explosiveness) and pain when he's on his back.
ok but in the last fight with chuck didnt he win rd 2?? he beat rashad 2-1 easy. forrest was a great fight and he wasnt @ his peak but was very solid fighter. and he did beat forrest and shogun got sub'd by him. now i think shogun will win but to say tito have no chance is a bit too far. lay n pray sucks but if it gets him wins then wft why not
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Post #21 11/23/07 2:09:49PM
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GSP's Blitzkrieg in progress
Career record: 181-78
Season: 47-23 (#347)
Location: st-felicien, quebec
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Posted by postman
Posted by tuvok500
Posted by postman
I have a real hard time seeing how Tito can beat a healthy Shogun. I give Forrestt respect for his fight with Rue but come one that was the worst I have ever seen Shogun fight and I'm pretty sure Forrestt wasn't the reason.
Forrest was not the reason ???? Shogun was shadowboxing and he tap to himself after being choked by the invisible man !! LOL
What I was trying to get at was he had a torn Acl and it didn't allow him to be the fighter he is. You are aware that Shogun Ko'ed Rampage in the first round right? It wasn't even a close fight he beat that ass from one end of the ring to the other. The list of fighters Shogun has beat is very impressive and he is only 25. So you can laugh all you want but Forrest Griffen's only chance at beating Shogun is on his worst day and guess what he got.......
LOL !!
man, Shogun's record is not the point here , i did not say that he was a joke, i say that it was REALLY forrest who beated him that night !! not a knee problem, almost every fighters are fighting with injuree man and if Shogun would have won the fight, you would be saying that he beated forrest EVEN with an injuree, so it is clear that you will never give any credit to the REAL winner for sure !!!
as for Rampage, you should know that the Rampage of today is 10 time better train than he was before and the SUPER KO is not an indication of what would happen if they were fighting in 2008 man !!
don't worry , i would give credit to shogun as soon as he will destroy a top fighter in the octogon in 2008, it is a promesse man !! LOL
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Post #22 11/23/07 7:46:26PM
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The best kicker in the world
Career record: 170-89
Season: 37-18 (#2479)
Location: Regina SK
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While I agree that all fighters are fighting with injury, no one should fight with a torn ACL, it doesn't prove your tough. I still think Shogun and Wand will beat Rampage, because they beat him in the tai clinch, and until I see him defend it I will still think he'll lose when he gets in that tai clinch and fed knees. I do agree that that rampage is alot better, but Rich was better the second time against Anderson, the tai clinch isn't just something you learn to defend right overnight, especially when the other guy has been doing it his whole life.
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Post #23 11/23/07 8:19:34PM
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stickyhash421
Banned
Career record: 35-12
Season: 0-0 (#-)
Location: Planet Earth UFC Picks: (320-71)
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Posted by tuvok500
Posted by postman
I have a real hard time seeing how Tito can beat a healthy Shogun. I give Forrestt respect for his fight with Rue but come one that was the worst I have ever seen Shogun fight and I'm pretty sure Forrestt wasn't the reason.
Forrest was not the reason ???? Shogun was shadowboxing and he tap to himself after being choked by the invisible man !! LOL
thats funny that a tito fan wants him to fight shogun...?? do i smell a rematch between wandy and tito....no wait thats his ego, tito is donebar if he cant beat rashad, plus he shoulda lost to vitor and griffin imo, and who gets a title shot after just losing to frank shamrock with a record of 4-2, thats a terrible record to get a title shot with. come on
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Post #24 11/25/07 6:02:42AM
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postman
MMA Sensei
Career record: 149-93
Season: 42-28 (#1631)
Location: Delmont ,Pa
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Posted by tuvok500
Posted by postman
Posted by tuvok500
Posted by postman
I have a real hard time seeing how Tito can beat a healthy Shogun. I give Forrestt respect for his fight with Rue but come one that was the worst I have ever seen Shogun fight and I'm pretty sure Forrestt wasn't the reason.
Forrest was not the reason ???? Shogun was shadowboxing and he tap to himself after being choked by the invisible man !! LOL
What I was trying to get at was he had a torn Acl and it didn't allow him to be the fighter he is. You are aware that Shogun Ko'ed Rampage in the first round right? It wasn't even a close fight he beat that ass from one end of the ring to the other. The list of fighters Shogun has beat is very impressive and he is only 25. So you can laugh all you want but Forrest Griffen's only chance at beating Shogun is on his worst day and guess what he got.......
LOL !!
man, Shogun's record is not the point here , i did not say that he was a joke, i say that it was REALLY forrest who beated him that night !! not a knee problem, almost every fighters are fighting with injuree man and if Shogun would have won the fight, you would be saying that he beated forrest EVEN with an injuree, so it is clear that you will never give any credit to the REAL winner for sure !!!
as for Rampage, you should know that the Rampage of today is 10 time better train than he was before and the SUPER KO is not an indication of what would happen if they were fighting in 2008 man !!
don't worry , i would give credit to shogun as soon as he will destroy a top fighter in the octogon in 2008, it is a promesse man !! LOL
I will give Forrest credit that he beat the guy the UFC put in front of him but you and me know that was not the real Shogun.
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