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Fedor Emilianenko VS Jeff Monson

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I think fedor will win GNP... but barely.... i think monson will give him a good challenge... if fedor loses, then what? We are probably going to say Tim Sylvia can beat fedor now... which sylvia probably could... i dont believe fedor is number 1 at all.... i dont even think he is top 8!

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I dont mind this fight actually, although I'd much rather see him fight barnett, i think that Jeff monson would provide a tough challenge and should be an interesting clash of styles. Good fight for fedor after a long layoff.

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Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I think fedor will win GNP... but barely.... i think monson will give him a good challenge... if fedor loses, then what? We are probably going to say Tim Sylvia can beat fedor now... which sylvia probably could... i dont believe fedor is number 1 at all.... i dont even think he is top 8!



Odd considering the camp your in...

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Posted by obeyjj

This is what you wrote, if it isn't what you meant then you need to take a deep breath and think a little bit more about what you are writing before it just spills out onto the keyboard:

"it was Mnoson against Pedro Rizzo and Monson was nowhere close to be call a fighter or an athlete."

Regardless of what you meant, Jeff Monson is a fighter and an athlete, regardless of who he fights. To say he isn't, in ANY context or however which was you want to spin it, is stupid. It's stupid and ignorant man, and I don't really even like Jeff Monson as a fighter, but I know he IS a fighter and an athlete. That is irrefutable fact.

Does Monson have to punch out Janeway to be a legit fighter or what?

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wapttn - Yes Monson isn't the greatest fighter ever, but if you think he isn't GOOD? Then you fight him because apparently he's a total can and not worth a shit. Sylvia put him in a triangle, so what? Just because someone is put into a triangle in a mma fight by somone with like 5 ft long legs, doesn't mean that suck, please. Hughes gets put in triangles all the time and gets out of them, watch the Charuto fight.



Hey the clown !!!

you seem pretty good when it come to name the star trek name !!
the difference between you and me is that i saw the fight live and you have read the fight comment on sherdog man !!

we were 200 to watch it live and we were unanimous about how bad was the conditionning of Monson.
now you can try to twist my sentence to extend it to the complete career of Monson but it is not going to impress an to foul anybody here man !!

the argument of the week are " you are stupid and etc ... " so i now know what kind of guy you are for real man !!

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Post #19   10/26/07 9:05:50PM   

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Posted by Ultimate_fighter

I think fedor will win GNP... but barely.... i think monson will give him a good challenge... if fedor loses, then what? We are probably going to say Tim Sylvia can beat fedor now... which sylvia probably could... i dont believe fedor is number 1 at all.... i dont even think he is top 8!



well, not top 8 is a little to much for me but i agree that he is not number 1 on the actual 2007 ranking.

i have him 5th !!



Post #20   10/26/07 9:08:12PM   

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Fedor by Unanimous Decision or late stoppage...

in the Tim fight Monson showed he can take a bad beating so I doubt he gets stopped just because Fedor hasn't fought in awhile so I think there ground game is equal since Fedor could be rusty but I think Fedor wins by out striking him so I think he wins by UD or late stoppage..

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Monson couldnt even take down a shot Rizzo. Tim Sylvia's ground game was too much for Monson too.

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Tuvok - Yeah I know what Star trek is, its been around for 40 years. If you want to get into an argument over who is the bigger Trek nerd, I've noticed also you have a borg quote in your signature on top of the tuvok handle. Enough said. I'll ignore the clown "joke".

Look buddy, my whole point was you are in no position to question whether or not Jeff Monson is a fighter and an athlete. He gets into a ******* cage and fights for a living, he goes to ATT and spars/trains with those guys, for a living. He is a fighter and an athlete and anyone who doesn't think that, is an idiot, I'm sorry. I never called you stupid, I said you are saying stupid and ignorant things, which you are. This whole thing is about you saying Jeff Monson isn't an athlete or a fighter.

Stop making me defend Monson please. Give him a little bit of respect. Thats it.

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Jeff has a bigger chance than anyone's giving him, and the grappling skills to give Fedor a lot of trouble. He lost to Sylvia mainly because of a severe size disadvantage, with Sylvia being possibly even twice his size. That size disadvantage is a lot smaller now. Fedor really isn't a giant. As far as grappling and strength go, Monson beats Fedor, but Fedor has the striking and the wrestling ability in my opinion. Someone else mentioned Monson's methodical style and how much more explosive Fedor is, but I think that could work to Monson's favor. He might be able to keep him under control and work his game diligently.

However, I'll pick Fedor by UD. Just saying, Monson isn't hopeless.

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Posted by obeyjj

Tuvok - Yeah I know what Star trek is, its been around for 40 years. If you want to get into an argument over who is the bigger Trek nerd, I've noticed also you have a borg quote in your signature on top of the tuvok handle. Enough said. I'll ignore the clown "joke".

Look buddy, my whole point was you are in no position to question whether or not Jeff Monson is a fighter and an athlete. He gets into a ******* cage and fights for a living, he goes to ATT and spars/trains with those guys, for a living. He is a fighter and an athlete and anyone who doesn't think that, is an idiot, I'm sorry. I never called you stupid, I said you are saying stupid and ignorant things, which you are. This whole thing is about you saying Jeff Monson isn't an athlete or a fighter.

Stop making me defend Monson please. Give him a little bit of respect. Thats it.




He's saying that in that fight, Monson didn't at all look like an athlete or a fighter to him. Not saying I agree with him, just trying to make his point more clear.

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Posted by obeyjj

Tuvok - Yeah I know what Star trek is, its been around for 40 years. If you want to get into an argument over who is the bigger Trek nerd, I've noticed also you have a borg quote in your signature on top of the tuvok handle. Enough said. I'll ignore the clown "joke".

Look buddy, my whole point was you are in no position to question whether or not Jeff Monson is a fighter and an athlete. He gets into a ******* cage and fights for a living, he goes to ATT and spars/trains with those guys, for a living. He is a fighter and an athlete and anyone who doesn't think that, is an idiot, I'm sorry. I never called you stupid, I said you are saying stupid and ignorant things, which you are. This whole thing is about you saying Jeff Monson isn't an athlete or a fighter.

Stop making me defend Monson please. Give him a little bit of respect. Thats it.




well, man, if you jump on every guy who say that a fighter was not good or that he is no longer a fighter like he was before, well, you will have to tape on your keyboard 24/7 man !!!

i have read some post who were saying like 100 times worse thing that me on a fighter man !!
of course the guy is giving his best and he train as hard as he can but i was speaking about his last fight man, maybe he was sick, or injure but it was not the same monson that i was seeing before. i was having him to win the fight man, i don't hate him, but you have to be fair and admitt that he was not the monson of before.
he may be very good in his next fight but if you say that we can say anything wrong on a fighter because we don't fight, well, you will have to stop reading this forum man, because the majority of peoples here are fans and not fighter.

as for the star trek stuff, well, if you are a fan of star trek it is ok with me and if you don't well, it is ok too, i don't see the point of starting to put my avatar name in the discusion man.

in fact if you read all my post, i am a moderate here compare to others, so you may have chosen the wrong guy to jump on man !!!



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Next time just say: I was at the Art of War card, I saw Monson vs. Rizzo, Monson looked like shit. Thats it. Regardless of what you meant, because I know English isn't your first language, it was written a very different way. Maybe what you meant was "Monson's cardio sucked and his standup sucked".

He is a fighter and an athlete, thats the basis of this argument for me, whenever he's fighting, whoever he's fighting. If he sucked against Rizzo in your opinion thats fine, just say so. I couldn't give a shit if he is good/great/bad/poor/shit/fair/sucky whatever, I think he is ok/good and if someone says he sucks, then I don't have a problem with it. But he IS a fighter, he IS an athlete. Maybe just use some different words next time.

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This probably was just a misunderstanding to begin with anyway.

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Posted by obeyjj

Next time just say: I was at the Art of War card, I saw Monson vs. Rizzo, Monson looked like shit. Thats it. Regardless of what you meant, because I know English isn't your first language, it was written a very different way. Maybe what you meant was "Monson's cardio sucked and his standup sucked". But you said you he couldn't be called an athlete or fighter from that fight. That would be ok too.

He is a fighter and an athlete, thats the basis of this argument for me. I couldn't give a shit if he is good/great/bad/poor/shit/fair/sucky whatever, I think he is ok/good and if someone says he sucks, then I don't have a problem with it. But he IS a fighter, he IS an athlete. Maybe just use some different words next time.

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This probably was just a misunderstanding to begin with anyway.




well, ok, but for me look like shit is worse than i said !!

you are right, i am french, i am improuving in english but i am not going to learn the street language like that !!

the only thing we have in english here where i live is the word STOP at every corners !!! LOL



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People need to understand Fedor has no comepition now because he has already beaten the best. Nobody in the UFC except Randy would be a good fight for Fedor. He beat Nog already ,he beat Cro Cop at his best. Hunt is a hell of alot better then Sylvia. He would smoke Gonzaga or Andre.

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Posted by HughesFanInILL

People need to understand Fedor has no comepition now because he has already beaten the best. Nobody in the UFC except Randy would be a good fight for Fedor. He beat Nog already ,he beat Cro Cop at his best. Hunt is a hell of alot better then Sylvia. He would smoke Gonzaga or Andre.



well, the same kind of statement was wrote about cro cop !!
his only real competition was fedor and the rest was scraps !!

i am not going to count out GG and Big Nog, if they were fighting in 2008 against fedor , it is completely irrelevant what they did in a ring before with another set of rules and etc.. fighters are evolving and you can have a completely different fighter with only 1 years of intence and news kind of trainning in an octogon !!

GG is a young fighter and he can comeback very strong soon !!


Fedor can also be very good in a cage, but, we will have to wait and see before stating that he will be as good as in a ring and that he will be able do what he want against anybody !!


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