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Following Forrest Griffin’s surprising third round submission of Mauricio “Shogun” Rua, much of the talk in the MMA world has once again centered around the question of which promotion was better, that is, which company had better fighters: PRIDE or the UFC. As far as pointless debates go, this is a good one.
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"To me the records were just a starting point," recalls John Paul Jones, "The most important thing was always the stage show. So many great nights. At our worst we were still better than most. At our best we could just wipe the floor with the lot of them. It was just a very good live band."
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Post #1 9/29/07 11:33:58AM
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billieskeet
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pride and ufc nuthuggers alike need to read this
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Post #2 9/29/07 11:59:53AM
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Posted by billieskeet
pride and ufc nuthuggers alike need to read this
Mike Coughlin (the author) is a friend of Sweep the Leg, and will be appearing every now and again to break down the fight cards with Brett and Steve. Just another reason to listen! 
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Post #3 9/29/07 1:28:06PM
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wapttn
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good post
but one thing that still needs to be considered is that if you take two identical fighters (of which there are none), both with equal careers, and have one comming from pride and one comming from ufc.. if you throw the two of them in the octagon, the ufc fighter has the advantage.
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Post #4 9/29/07 2:23:37PM
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rcg916
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Posted by wapttn
good post
but one thing that still needs to be considered is that if you take two identical fighters (of which there are none), both with equal careers, and have one comming from pride and one comming from ufc.. if you throw the two of them in the octagon, the ufc fighter has the advantage.
Dude, there is no equation... there is no formula to find out who will win. It doesnt matter how past Pride guys have done. EACH FIGHT/FIGHTER WILL BE DIFFERENT.
Give up the "UFC clearly has an advantage" crap, because it holds no water whatsoever.
Sorry. No matter how many times you throw Shogun/Griffin or CroCop/Kongo in my face, it wont happen EVERY time.
You wont convince me that if Fedor entered the Octagon, he wouldnt have a clear advantage over ANYONE that he faces.
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Post #5 9/29/07 3:46:04PM
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Posted by wapttn
good post
but one thing that still needs to be considered is that if you take two identical fighters (of which there are none), both with equal careers, and have one comming from pride and one comming from ufc.. if you throw the two of them in the octagon, the ufc fighter has the advantage.
Of course the UFC fighter would have the advantage, he is use to the octagon. But if you take those same "identical fighters" and put them in a ring, the one from pride would have the advantage. There is nothing to consider in your statement. The ring is different than the octagon. So someone with no experience in an octagon has a disadvantage fighting in the U.F.C. and visa versa. DUH!
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Post #6 9/29/07 7:24:52PM
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This is a very good read.
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Post #7 9/29/07 7:30:10PM
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The article touches on some good points.I think you can go back even farther though to the beginning of PRIDE.When UFC fighters like Gary Goodrige were losing to PRIDES new elite fighters like Igor Vovchanzin and such.I think it kind of went from their with some gives and takes.
However,one thing I think a good portion of MMA fans would agree with, is that the majority of PRIDE fights seemed to be more exicting than UFC fights.I think this is probably due to the fact that a lot of the fighters up and coming in the UFC are heavly influenced by wrestling as opposed to muay thai,etc.
PRIDE would allow fighters to fight outside of their weight class.
PRIDE had tournements,and fighters would even fight more than once in one night.
PRIDE had grand entrances for the fighters.
I think all these things made PRIDE more dynamic and funner to watch.The fighters came offf looking like super heroes and it was a spectacale that was far from being equaled.
None of this means that fighters coming from the UFC were worse though.
I think people have the misconception of always putting it UFC VS PRIDE,when I believe in all reality we should probably be looking more at the fight camps instead of the promotion.
OKay I think i've rambled on enough.........................
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Post #8 9/29/07 8:55:51PM
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wapttn
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Posted by decken
Posted by wapttn
good post
but one thing that still needs to be considered is that if you take two identical fighters (of which there are none), both with equal careers, and have one comming from pride and one comming from ufc.. if you throw the two of them in the octagon, the ufc fighter has the advantage.
Of course the UFC fighter would have the advantage, he is use to the octagon. But if you take those same "identical fighters" and put them in a ring, the one from pride would have the advantage. There is nothing to consider in your statement. The ring is different than the octagon. So someone with no experience in an octagon has a disadvantage fighting in the U.F.C. and visa versa. DUH!
I agree with you completely, but there are people who continue to discount the advantage (such as the post above yours). I think that shogun/griffin crocop/kongo were decided by factors other than the difference in rules and rings, but i think that the differences are notable if not noticable. There is no substitute for experience. I'd happily bet on randy vs any pride HW in the ring (fedor excluded), experience in the ufc and a gameplan to expoit it is an advantage that you cant deny
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Post #9 9/29/07 10:49:23PM
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good read
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Post #10 9/30/07 12:23:36AM
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I am looking forward : no more debate of PrideFC vs UFC in 2008. If anyone still debate on PrideFC vs UFC then it is like Ruth vs Bonds or Lebon vs Jordan are endless debae to me.
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Post #11 9/30/07 2:12:47AM
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Posted by MaxUFC
I am looking forward : no more debate of PrideFC vs UFC in 2008. If anyone still debate on PrideFC vs UFC then it is like Ruth vs Bonds or Lebon vs Jordan are endless debae to me.
full agree. End this debate in '08, End this debate in '08......
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Post #12 9/30/07 7:29:12PM
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TOMMYAYO05
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Nick diaz had said this time and time again......its way easier fighting in a ring than the octagon.
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Post #13 10/1/07 1:51:49AM
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nubby
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did he say why?
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Post #14 10/1/07 3:25:58PM
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The Mighty Zep MOD
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Maybe this should be a pinned topic and a must read before you can join MMAPlayground
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"To me the records were just a starting point," recalls John Paul Jones, "The most important thing was always the stage show. So many great nights. At our worst we were still better than most. At our best we could just wipe the floor with the lot of them. It was just a very good live band."
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