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What would you like to see done with the site's wagering system?
Leave things as they are and just spend some time policing wagers after each event 89 30%
Change/replace the current system with an odds-based house only wagering system 72 25%
Leave the current system in place but force all wagers to loosely adhere to a money line 18 6%
Add an odds-powered house wagering system, but leave the current system in place as it is 68 23%
Add an odds-powered house system and leave current system in place with odds guidelines 36 12%
Something else entirely 9 3%
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Posted by DoTheMMAth

Just don't do any fishy wagers with him and you'll be fine, just changed it the other day because I had literally 6 folks that I was 98% sure were gamers contact the site asking why they can't log in when it was obvious manipulation. "My brother really did want to wager $500 on Lutter to my $200 on Silva", etc.


i think you jsut got to make a rule with a big underdog you can't go lower then even.

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Posted by nellyhiphophead

how many fake wagers hae you found and took back?? how bad is it?



Without actually counting I'd say we've gotten 20-30 reports here from the "report suspected manipulation" button, a dozen site contacts on the subject, plus 9 others that I handled myself before the stats were event posted live on the site. Still havne't sorted through them all yet either and we're still getting more reports...

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Posted by DoTheMMAth


Posted by nellyhiphophead

how many fake wagers hae you found and took back?? how bad is it?



Without actually counting I'd say we've gotten 20-30 reports here from the "report suspected manipulation" button, a dozen site contacts on the subject, plus 9 others that I handled myself before the stats were event posted live on the site. Still havne't sorted through them all yet either and we're still getting more reports...


wow thats getting up there. well i hope those few don't mess up the great way we get to make our wagering anyother way i would just get bord make my picks and wagers with the house and leave the websight till the show was over but with it being this way i'm always on looking for good wagers and posting on the forums i hope you guys don't change it.

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How about you make some of the more responsible team members "monitors" or "game mods" or something like that..?

They don't even have to be a forum mod. They can just be trusted to evaluate wager manipulation. Sort of like many sets of eyes watching the wagers of team members...

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Posted by TequilaMan2000

How about you make some of the more responsible team members "monitors" or "game mods" or something like that..?

They don't even have to be a forum mod. They can just be trusted to evaluate wager manipulation. Sort of like many sets of eyes watching the wagers of team members...[/QUOTE
i would help out with that

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Posted by TequilaMan2000

How about you make some of the more responsible team members "monitors" or "game mods" or something like that..?

They don't even have to be a forum mod. They can just be trusted to evaluate wager manipulation. Sort of like many sets of eyes watching the wagers of team members...



i would even help with that if that was an issue.

maybe even have a section of the forum to post where you have edited the wagers of users stating to the other players who they are and to put their name out there as possible cheaters, people may be less likely to cheat if everyone knows.

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The only way to make it completely uncheatable is a house backed odds wagering system. You could also include a parley calculator to make it more fun. Add the fact it takes sometime just trying people to wager with you , and it seems the onle sensible way IMO.

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I voted to add a house wagering system. I like the way the current system works, even if i haven't had a chance to wager with it. However, there is a big potential for taking advantage and, even though it doesn't affect anything, there is a huge amount of work for the mods here to keep things straight. In fact, it's probably gonna be too much work, once the site increases as the site gets more popular and more users arrive. I have faith that they will make the right decision however, and i'll stick around through whatever they decide

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Posted by nellyhiphophead

i think you jsut got to make a rule with a big underdog you can't go lower then even.



Perhaps make a rule that in any circumstance where ewhere 2/3 of site members have picked one fighter to win over the other that any wagers on that fight must be at least 2:1... any fights where one fighter is chosen over 80% of the time to win that the wager odds must be at least 4:1? This is kind of like enforcing some site-based odds on a fight while still leaving a pretty large amount of room for wager negotations?

In terms of policing wagers... we could perhaps make a new classification of site moderator just for the sole purpose of policing and enforcing all things pertaining to wagers and make new site rules relating to "don't make retarded wagers" (except in a more detailed and refined language). Maybe it would take a vote of 5 of these "police" to nullify a user's wager (although in theory this could wind up being abused as well).

Maybe the rule of "you cannot wage those in your household or in your fight camp" could be applied as well?

Just sort of talking out loud, tryng to find a happy medium that will keep things community oriented while still being fair... let me go get some more beers now to open up to more ideas

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Posted by Pyrenus

Why not require a unique IP and/or email with validation for each user account to cut down on people creating multiple accounts to place wagers against themselves?



You can do this?

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Posted by DoTheMMAth


Posted by nellyhiphophead

how many fake wagers hae you found and took back?? how bad is it?



Without actually counting I'd say we've gotten 20-30 reports here from the "report suspected manipulation" button, a dozen site contacts on the subject, plus 9 others that I handled myself before the stats were event posted live on the site. Still havne't sorted through them all yet either and we're still getting more reports...



Just wanted to add to this one, that quite a few of these are overlapping items... just want to paint as accurate a picture here as possible on things.

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Posted by Trapt1nw0nder


Posted by Pyrenus

Why not require a unique IP and/or email with validation for each user account to cut down on people creating multiple accounts to place wagers against themselves?



You can do this?



See this post

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Also just wanted to add the thanks and appreciation from the staff here for all the positive compliments that many have offered in this thread

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A few ideas:

I like the "bounty" on finding rigged accounts. Make it something like $5-$10, and it won't be worth someone making two fake e-mails to make two fake accounts to make a foolish bet between the two fake accounts to report it to make $5.

I don't know much about programming, but would it help moderate if anytime a wager was made that was vastly different than the money line, that it sent the mods a message as being a possible violation? That way hunting for these things wouldn't be hard, as you'd have them all lined up as if they were violations.

A less popular, but more effective route would be to make the site a pay site and cost $1 to make an account. People would be less inclined to pay real money to cheat to win fake money.

You've also mentioned the props system you're working on. How about you make it so you can't wager against people unless you have a certain number of props? That way someone with a fake account would actually have to go into the forum, and not only post, but make intelligent conversation before being allowed to bet. That much work for fake money would definitely cut back on cheating.

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Oh, and as for the house betting, I think that would be cool, but to keep people waging with each other, you could set it so you can only bet a certain amount with the house. Say you can only bet half your total money with the house, that way if people want to bet the other half, they need to fight people online to do it with.

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