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I dont think that you can ever count Randy out. Even though he's just proved the biggest point of his carrer I think that he'll always be the underdog and feel that he's got a point to prove. Also he'll always have the crowds support and that counts for something. When you watch Randy in any fight he's always just ploughing on through. It was just the last 2 Chuck fights where something seemed wrong.

I think that Randy will be looking at Chuck again sometime. After his 2 losses you can now see hes back and badder than ever.

I've only ever seen CC fight in UFC and I'll be watching him Live in Manchester so he'll hopefully give me a better impression than before. Dont get me wrong I thought that he was good it just seemed a little un matched.

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Posted by Pyrenus

Excellent point. Sprawl won't matter if Randy's got you in an upper body clinch.

Of course, it was the same sort of deal with Chuck too, and Cro Cop is a better striker than Chuck.

Using weak MMath, I can't see how Randy could beat CC. But I'll be rooting for Cap'n America the whole way!



Dont bring MMath into this..haha...

but seriously, I think Randy has a decent chance at winning and can never be counted out. I just think Cro Cop is the better fighter and will KO him via straight left...

And as much as I like Randy Couture, I will be rooting for Mirko Filipovic...

Post #17   3/16/07 11:34:59AM   

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Does it really matter if Randy loses...IMO hes got nothing to lose going into that fight. People will still love him and he will still be one of the greatest of all time.

I think the Tito vs Randy match would be awsome. Whats up with Tito trying pick on old men?

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i like randy but cro cops goona hurt him and hurt him bad

Post #19   3/17/07 11:19:03PM   

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I would actually go so far as to say that Randy has the best chance to beat CC out of all the current UFC HW.

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Posted by roman

Tons of good points but I still think Cro Cop will pick him apart counterstriking. IMO Mirko will do lots of leg and body kicks and eventually knock him out. If Randy does get him on the ground ,which I don't think will happen, he will be fine. His ground game has gotten a hundred times better since he started (the guy trains like a mad man) and he proved that when he faced Fedor. But again I hadn't thought about the elbow strikes but I'm sure he'll be ready for them too(like I said the guy trains).

Now don't get me wrong I love Couture and the guy proved he can topple a giant (which I thought he would do). But Cro Cop, in my mind, is a different story.



Randy has never been hit as hard as Crocop hits/kicks.

Randy couldnt finish sylvia. He dominated him, but couldnt finish, this is his problem. No disrespect to sylvia, but he is rubbish, Crocop will be hard to put away, and Randy will get hit by something eventually.

Crocop could stick to leg kicks and win like he did over Yoshida.

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Posted by roman

Tons of good points but I still think Cro Cop will pick him apart counterstriking. IMO Mirko will do lots of leg and body kicks and eventually knock him out. If Randy does get him on the ground ,which I don't think will happen, he will be fine. His ground game has gotten a hundred times better since he started (the guy trains like a mad man) and he proved that when he faced Fedor. But again I hadn't thought about the elbow strikes but I'm sure he'll be ready for them too(like I said the guy trains).

Now don't get me wrong I love Couture and the guy proved he can topple a giant (which I thought he would do). But Cro Cop, in my mind, is a different story.



Randy has never been hit as hard as Crocop hits/kicks.

Randy couldnt finish sylvia. He dominated him, but couldnt finish, this is his problem. No disrespect to sylvia, but he is rubbish, Crocop will be hard to put away, and Randy will get hit by something eventually.

Crocop could stick to leg kicks and win like he did over Yoshida.



Randy has never been hit has hard as a Cro Cop punch/ kick? Maybe not. But he has gotten hit really really really fricking hard. Fighting Chuck 3 times. Getting KO'd 2 of them. Not to mention he fought Rizzo twice. And he needed months of rehab to fix his legs after the 1st fight. He got pounded by both Ricco and Barnett on the Ground. He fought Vitor 3 times, and he fought kickboxer Mo smith.

Randy has been hit hard his whole Career. I think he can take a punch. I dont think he has faced a sub guy yet. Hmmm thats weird. So it kinda seems Randy gets heavy punchers every fight whetere its strong GNP guys or big strikers.

Randy has been hit hard period. Toughest 40 yr old man out there. Well 43 year old. He can take head/body/leg shots and keep goin. Randy is gonna have to be not able to stand to quit and you know it.

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Posted by roman

Tons of good points but I still think Cro Cop will pick him apart counterstriking. IMO Mirko will do lots of leg and body kicks and eventually knock him out. If Randy does get him on the ground ,which I don't think will happen, he will be fine. His ground game has gotten a hundred times better since he started (the guy trains like a mad man) and he proved that when he faced Fedor. But again I hadn't thought about the elbow strikes but I'm sure he'll be ready for them too(like I said the guy trains).

Now don't get me wrong I love Couture and the guy proved he can topple a giant (which I thought he would do). But Cro Cop, in my mind, is a different story.



Randy has never been hit as hard as Crocop hits/kicks.

Randy couldnt finish sylvia. He dominated him, but couldnt finish, this is his problem. No disrespect to sylvia, but he is rubbish, Crocop will be hard to put away, and Randy will get hit by something eventually.

Crocop could stick to leg kicks and win like he did over Yoshida.



Randy has never been hit has hard as a Cro Cop punch/ kick? Maybe not. But he has gotten hit really really really fricking hard. Fighting Chuck 3 times. Getting KO'd 2 of them. Not to mention he fought Rizzo twice. And he needed months of rehab to fix his legs after the 1st fight. He got pounded by both Ricco and Barnett on the Ground. He fought Vitor 3 times, and he fought kickboxer Mo smith.

Randy has been hit hard his whole Career. I think he can take a punch. I dont think he has faced a sub guy yet. Hmmm thats weird. So it kinda seems Randy gets heavy punchers every fight whetere its strong GNP guys or big strikers.

Randy has been hit hard period. Toughest 40 yr old man out there. Well 43 year old. He can take head/body/leg shots and keep goin. Randy is gonna have to be not able to stand to quit and you know it.


No doubt he has been hit hard, but I think a Crocop left high kick is one of the most devastating blows out there. period.
Vitor, never really showed up in those fights. Rizzo, good, but overrated. The rest beat him. If chuck can out-strike him, Crocop can. What would you reckon Crocop vs Chuck?

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Cro Cop, Chuck, Kinda frciking hard hitters. Just brought Rizzo up for the leg kick factors. Those were never overrated jsut ask Dan Severn. Randy knows what it is like to hit hard. I just hope his chin can take it. While it isnt glass, it isnt Rock or Cabbage chin. And it is possible to KO him. Not to mention with age the body detrioeates right? I mean look at Tim Sylvia he is 31 and he just got pwned thats old J/k.

Hope Randy wins. He has a good chance of winning, but its a chance not a guarntee. Who knows maybe he will hit Cro Cop with a huge punch like Randleman did. All i know is that if Randy is gonna fight CC he is gonna have to bring in some big strikers to his training camp like Chuck Liddell to help him train.

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Posted by madmarck

Cro Cop, Chuck, Kinda frciking hard hitters. Just brought Rizzo up for the leg kick factors. Those were never overrated jsut ask Dan Severn. Randy knows what it is like to hit hard. I just hope his chin can take it. While it isnt glass, it isnt Rock or Cabbage chin. And it is possible to KO him. Not to mention with age the body detrioeates right? I mean look at Tim Sylvia he is 31 and he just got pwned thats old J/k.

Hope Randy wins. He has a good chance of winning, but its a chance not a guarntee. Who knows maybe he will hit Cro Cop with a huge punch like Randleman did. All i know is that if Randy is gonna fight CC he is gonna have to bring in some big strikers to his training camp like Chuck Liddell to help him train.



Agreed. I know Rizzo had great kicks, his defence wasnt great so as a fighter he was overrated. I do think crocops kicks are in a different league though. Remember his first ufc fight, when he kicked whatzisname and the whole arena went silent!
I think Randys only chance is to get him to the fence and take him down.

Wanna wager on the fight?

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Cro Cop, Chuck, Kinda frciking hard hitters. Just brought Rizzo up for the leg kick factors. Those were never overrated jsut ask Dan Severn. Randy knows what it is like to hit hard. I just hope his chin can take it. While it isnt glass, it isnt Rock or Cabbage chin. And it is possible to KO him. Not to mention with age the body detrioeates right? I mean look at Tim Sylvia he is 31 and he just got pwned thats old J/k.

Hope Randy wins. He has a good chance of winning, but its a chance not a guarntee. Who knows maybe he will hit Cro Cop with a huge punch like Randleman did. All i know is that if Randy is gonna fight CC he is gonna have to bring in some big strikers to his training camp like Chuck Liddell to help him train.



Agreed. I know Rizzo had great kicks, his defence wasnt great so as a fighter he was overrated. I do think crocops kicks are in a different league though. Remember his first ufc fight, when he kicked whatzisname and the whole arena went silent!
I think Randys only chance is to get him to the fence and take him down.

Wanna wager on the fight?


Ill wager if you take the loser. And yeah Rizzos kicks arent in the league of Cro Cops. But really who's are? I think the fence will work to Randys advantage to take CC down. But i think CC is working on how to use the fence to get up like Chuck does.

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Cro Cop, Chuck, Kinda frciking hard hitters. Just brought Rizzo up for the leg kick factors. Those were never overrated jsut ask Dan Severn. Randy knows what it is like to hit hard. I just hope his chin can take it. While it isnt glass, it isnt Rock or Cabbage chin. And it is possible to KO him. Not to mention with age the body detrioeates right? I mean look at Tim Sylvia he is 31 and he just got pwned thats old J/k.

Hope Randy wins. He has a good chance of winning, but its a chance not a guarntee. Who knows maybe he will hit Cro Cop with a huge punch like Randleman did. All i know is that if Randy is gonna fight CC he is gonna have to bring in some big strikers to his training camp like Chuck Liddell to help him train.



Agreed. I know Rizzo had great kicks, his defence wasnt great so as a fighter he was overrated. I do think crocops kicks are in a different league though. Remember his first ufc fight, when he kicked whatzisname and the whole arena went silent!
I think Randys only chance is to get him to the fence and take him down.

Wanna wager on the fight?


Ill wager if you take the loser. And yeah Rizzos kicks arent in the league of Cro Cops. But really who's are? I think the fence will work to Randys advantage to take CC down. But i think CC is working on how to use the fence to get up like Chuck does.



good call. CC is alot stronger than chuck also.

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I hope everyone would agree chucks hands are better than Cro Cop. so the main issue in my opinion is the LHK. i think Randy has his number. I think randy has the advantage with the octagon as opposed to the four cornered ring, and of coarse the elbows. Randy should never be underestimated. I think we see Cro Cop walking away from randy like he did continuously in the hunt fight he lost.

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Posted by brodieros

I hope everyone would agree chucks hands are better than Cro Cop. so the main issue in my opinion is the LHK. i think Randy has his number. I think randy has the advantage with the octagon as opposed to the four cornered ring, and of coarse the elbows. Randy should never be underestimated. I think we see Cro Cop walking away from randy like he did continuously in the hunt fight he lost.



the octagon isnt going to affect anything in this fight..its going to be a stand up fight all the way. Randy isnt going to be able to use the clinch against CroCop. The fight is going to end as soon as Couture shoots and CC steps out and gives him the left straight from hell. Crocop had to step away from hunt because hunt has such a great chin....Couture doesnt even compare on that level.

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liddell beat couture. crocop has better sprawl and standup than crocop. couture is even older now. coutures only chance is that crocop has never taken on a ground fighter in the cage so the cage might be a problem

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