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I'm not taking sides on this I'm staying nuetral and looking at this from a legal point of view.

A contract is an agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. Everything Zuffa is able to do is written right on the contract. If it's on the contract Zuffa can absolutely do it. It may not be what you want, but if you sign the contract you are legally obligated to do what the contract states.

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I'm pretty sure it's in the contract. They call it the "Rizzo clause"

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*sigh*

so tired of all the contract talks.
it would be so much easier on me if i didn't read all this stuff on the innerweb.
it just stress's me out.

Post #18   2/12/08 4:45:04PM   

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So the UFC can tell CroCop that he has to re-sign for a lower pay or he's out, but they won't let Randy re-sign OR get out. WTF!?!



If both clauses are in each of their contracts then yes.

Don't ink paper if you don't know what you're signing.





Props to you my man.
ANYTIME i hear stuff about unhappy contract disputs, especially that the fighter is unhappy, the only thing i got to say is "WELL THEN YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED IT!" either that or the fighter needs to get a better manager/lawyer. If you're not 100% happy dont freaking sign a piece of paper and then complain when you dont want to hold up to it.

i love CC, and have enjoyed watching him for years. But...he signed it, and it's the UFC's decision to do what they will sometimes.

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Maybe if CroCop showed a little more enthusiasm for the fight game then this wouldnt have been put on him.

To be honest it always seemed to me like he was gonna retire and was looking for a few easy big pay days to see him on his way. Yeah he did a lot in Pride etc... but he aint done shit in or for the UFC.

A contract is a contract blah blah blah

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the ufc makes it own rules, here randy signs to fight wants more money ufc wants him to honor the contract given and fight out remainder of his fights but yet the ufc is not honoring the contract they gave to cro cop, what a hyprocrite!! you shouldn't have paid him that much, what is not lesnar after he loses again i won't pay you 250 g's or you are sitting it out.

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this seals it, im getting loaded now!

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Posted by prozacnation1978

the ufc makes it own rules, here randy signs to fight wants more money ufc wants him to honor the contract given and fight out remainder of his fights but yet the ufc is not honoring the contract they gave to cro cop, what a hyprocrite!! you shouldn't have paid him that much, what is not lesnar after he loses again i won't pay you 250 g's or you are sitting it out.



I doubt the UFC would breach contract. It probably had terms like -

The ufc will pay $xx for a guaranteed 3 fights and up to 5 fights or 18 months which ever comes sooner.


This way they are not breaching contract by not offering him fights as has had 3 already.

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Posted by Daddyprimetime

I'm not taking sides on this I'm staying nuetral and looking at this from a legal point of view.

A contract is an agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. Everything Zuffa is able to do is written right on the contract. If it's on the contract Zuffa can absolutely do it. It may not be what you want, but if you sign the contract you are legally obligated to do what the contract states.



You have a point but I think the argument lies in enforceability. The Brock Lesnar/WWE situation is similar. The contract he signed had a ten year no compete clause in it. When challenged, the courts saw it as ridiculous and eventually the WWE backed down. If challenged I would bet Crocop's stipulation would be handled the same way.

Whoever said that contracts are always one-sided is completely wrong. They are in place to protect both parties. I agree Crocop should NOT have signed it with a stipulation like that, but who wants to think about that kind of thing?

"Well I'm coming off the biggest win and night of my career, but I may do terrible in the UFC so I should get that stipulation removed."

No, I'm sure Crocop thought he would come in and dominate and would never need to worry about something like that.

I think with this, the Tito noise, and the Randy situation the UFC is going to come under fire for some of its practices and will have to change thing. It also shows how smart Fedor and his management were for telling the UFC to screw off when presented with such a one-sided contract.

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I can't say much of what I know, but Cro Cop is announcing something big tomorro....in Japan Keep in mind it's tough to force someone to sit out or sue them if they fight if they're live on another continent and the org doesn't operate under the same "rules" the UFC does. Yes I am pissed that the UFC is able to do the exact same thing they are sueing Couture for, I know all the arguments but they are telling couture to honor it, so they should to.

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Posted by EpicTerran

thats really gay , i DO understand where Dana is coming from but at the same time these contracts are bullshit , its like whats the point ? the UFC can reduce someones pay even though the contract guaranteed them something else , they can boot fighters whenever they want for any reason , they can keep fighters who dont even want to fight(Randy) , the contract must say in really small letters ( the UFC can do whatever the **** they want regardless of what this contract states), contracts are close to completely meaningless



Quoted for truth!!

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Its not what the contract says its how it will be interperted. Randy says hes out in October. UFC says it will be alot longer. Both sides have very smart lawyers and it will come down to how its interperted, not what it says. Its not what the constitutiuon says its how the courts interpert it. We are at a weird time in MMA now. The contracts that come along now are unlike what we have seen in the past. The UFC is pushing the limits on how much control they have over fighters. Now some of those fighters are fighting back. As a fan of MMA and having no financial stake in the UFC i dare to say i want the fighters to winn this battle. If they do we get Randy/Fedor. We dont have instances where if a fighter doesnt extend his contract they wont offer him his last fight. Cro Cop came and fought and lost twice. In one of those fights he was part of one of the biggest highlights of the year. The UFC is not hurting money wise by paying out his contract. On top of that if they make him sit out this next year because they dont want to pay him. Why as a fan would i be in favor of that. The UFC wants complete and absolute control over there fighters. I dont know about you, but personally im rooting for the fighters. Seems to be better for the sport.

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Assuming this is true, there are a number of issues that deserve attention.

1) Are these clauses in the contract? I don't know, but I don't see any lawyer letting this kind of thing slide. That being said, I am curious how many fighters hire a lawyer to go over the contract before they sign.

I know a guy that started a biotech company. He basically owned all the knowledge at that time (he developed it). Then the company was purchased. He said the best thing he did was spend the money for a lawyer to look over the papers for the official sign over. He said, had he signed the first draft, he would have lost everything.

Cro Cop seems too mature to not get a lawyer, but who knows.


2) Assuming the clause is not in the contract, it doesn't surprise me that the UFC is doing this. Employees get shafted all the time in regular jobs. We are supposed to give 2 weeks+ notice if we are leaving the company, but the company doesn't need to give notice if they lay you off or let you go. The UFC might feel they can push people around because the think they hold the ace with the contract and can at least make it uncomfortable for the fighter by not letting them fight until it is settled. Look at Shonie Carter.

3) Regardless of the wording in the contract, this kind of publicity does not help the UFC look like a company that treats its employees well.


Cro Cop does not come off as a guy that would just say this for no reason. I don't think he is making noise to hype himself or a fight. To me this seems real and I think it is more complicated than the interpretation of contract wording. I don't think Crop Cop would not pursue something unless there was precedent for it.

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I agree with you Rush. People on here are saying its in the contract get over it. As we can see from the Randy situation two different people can look at the same clause and reach two different conclusions. The UFC seems to want a little to much control over everything. I think these challenges are going to better the sport.

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Man this is a hard one, CC comes to the UFC and gets crushed in one fight and beaten badly the next.....

But he signed a contract......

That must have said if you don't win will "drop ya!"

lame of both parties to agree to such a thing

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