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Gary Goodrich says fights were fixed in Pride

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Is JMMA more corrupt than American MMA?
yes 41 80%
no 2 4%
neither are corrupt 3 6%
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Pretty intresting Q&A with Big Daddy http://www.cagepotato.com/ask-gary-5-going-out-in-a-blaze-of-glory/

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Post #1   8/4/11 3:32:02PM   

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No surprise to me..

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Every so often a fighter comes foward talking about this kind of thing.
Normally though it seems to be when faced against a Japanese fighter that needed a boost.

I think the most important thing to consider is that Japanese MMA was not created by the rise of the UFC or American MMA, it was onlyinfluenced by it.Japanese MMA was an evolution from pro-wrestling,to stiff wrestling,etc,etc,etc.
So for a certain amount of showmanship or even a dive to take place,to me, shouldn't suprise anyone. Go back and watch some early RINGS video's and you'll see the changes unfold fight by fight. I would say Japanese MMA isn't so much corrupt as it is misunderstood and only by studying the history of it will you start to see what it was really about.
Now without a doubt exceptions to this exsistce. Guy Mezger claims in Pancrase they would tell you an upcoming opponent was an austrilian guy and to lay back and take it easy,when in fact that guy ended up being Bas Rutten.
That's not working a fight but attempting to alter the outcome,and Ken Shamrock had some questionable fights as well,but once again JMMA was a continuation of pro-wrestling,not a direct copy of what was happening in the US.

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I remember back when Elite XC paid Seth Petruzelli to keep it standing with Kimbo.

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Posted by FastKnockout

I remember back when Elite XC paid Seth Petruzelli to keep it standing with Kimbo.



Only instance of it ever I've heard of in a decent sized American promotion.

Overall, I think it is a very clean sport. Pride may have had questionable conduct at times, but all in all I think it was an honest sports organization.

Even in this case, Gary claims another fighters CAMP offered him money to throw the fight, not Pride officials.

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I saw this yesterday at CP.com. I wasnt really suprised. But in todays world there are so many variables to try and fix fights on a big stage such as the UFc. Way too many people way too many camera phones/recording devices.

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As far as mma in Japan, Idk. American mma doesn't seem to have a problem besides elitexc a few years back. I'm sure in smaller promotions its more prevalent but on a national scale I don't think it happens very much.

Fight fixing is bob sapp pounding out a 200 pound Japanese fighter

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Posted by FastKnockout

I remember back when Elite XC paid Seth Petruzelli to keep it standing with Kimbo.



Good thing for them Seth is a man of his word.

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If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....

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Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....

there are LOTS of eyes on the ufc, athletic commissions, senators, potential investors. For them to put all that at risk for a desired outcome would be like genocide. You wanna see the fastest growing sport shrink before your eyes? I don't. But hey, if that is the case, WWE would come in and buy the UFC like the UFC does to its competition

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Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....

there are LOTS of eyes on the ufc, athletic commissions, senators, potential investors. For them to put all that at risk for a desired outcome would be like genocide. You wanna see the fastest growing sport shrink before your eyes? I don't. But hey, if that is the case, WWE would come in and buy the UFC like the UFC does to its competition



I see where you are coming from completely. And I don't want to be that crazy guy who just goes on with his conspiracy theories like he's watched too much X-Files... oh wait...

But seriously. I don't think that the UFC or Zuffa would in any way engage in fight fixing or anything like that, but there are so many other elements that come in to play, Zuffa doesn't have to fix the fights. Managers could try and set something up, bookies, who the hell knows. I hope none of that is going on, and I don't think it is. But like Goodridge said in his interview, if something seemed shady, it probably was.

I just hope that what Big Daddy referred to is either false, or a dead practice. I don't want to see fight fixing in any form, perpetrated or perpetuated by any person, in any promotion or capacity. Hell, I don't want that in any sport. If I found out MMA was fixed like pro wrestling or boxing, I hate to say, but I probably wouldn't watch anymore.

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fixed fights in Pride you say
well Duh!

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Posted by pmoney

If you don't think it's beyond happening in the states, think again. Soooo many questionable calls from hack judges, referees stopping fights when fighters aren't being submitted, etc, etc.... I don't want to stir the pot. But I am just saying....



I'll be man enough to admit that I was skeptical about the Anderson Silva/Forrest Griffin result. Something just didn't seem right with that fight. I've let it since then, though.

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