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ghandikush
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Posted by kingsmasher
Theres just lots of Jon Jones haters..>Even the refs....Hes easy to hate when hes utterly destroyed everyone hes faced...Never been taken down...Never on his back...Hes easy to hate...Hes been my favorite and I knew hed be champ from way before any title shot....but I would like to see him get in trouble...not lose...Only way to beat him is bum rush him with a million punches...and hope you connect...I have said though with his reach he will disrupt any power with his reach...You cant win!!
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
No, his biggest weakness is cardio, second biggest is striking. He has a solid chin, long reach, and superior wrestling so it nullifies someone squarely beating him and his well roundedness saves him from being finished even if hurt.
HOWEVER, his biggest weakness is his 30-35 pound cut to 205 that leaves him usually under 3 rounds of solid cardio. Anyone who could outwrestle, out strike, or overall control him and his tempo can beat him.
Right now Lyoto is all we have, maybe Gustaffson. Bot are faster, better standing technique and unusual very hard to takedown movement. Either could potentially control his tempo and even outscore him for 3 rounds. After that aside from one of Jones' Fedoresque combination finishes (throw takedown and cut elbows, flash submission etc) he wont be more than a slow vulnerable target.
The best challenges at 205 are yet to come, but make no mistake, they are coming.
Last edited 9/25/12 11:13AM by ghandikush
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Post #16 9/25/12 11:11:32AM
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Posted by kingsmasher
Theres just lots of Jon Jones haters..>Even the refs....Hes easy to hate when hes utterly destroyed everyone hes faced...Never been taken down...Never on his back...Hes easy to hate...Hes been my favorite and I knew hed be champ from way before any title shot....but I would like to see him get in trouble...not lose...Only way to beat him is bum rush him with a million punches...and hope you connect...I have said though with his reach he will disrupt any power with his reach...You cant win!!
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
It's true, he is easy to hate but it's only because no one likes a false saint. We all hate guys like Tito and Koscheck because they're villians but IMO it's worse when you can't get an accurate reading on a guy.
At least Tito and Kos are being themselves while Jones is a fake humble guy. When Jones starts talking all I can do is ......same thing I do when teh kingsmasher posts
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Post #17 9/25/12 11:37:55AM
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What?
I don't get it.
He didn't warn Belfort for purposely trying to kick a "downed opponent" in the head?
That's some messed up reffing.
I didn't watch the main card, but I've seen how Jones starts a match. Jones crawls on his hands and tip-toes. A down opponent is one where the fighter knee is on the ground. Within the rules, Belfort threw a legal kick. That's why Big John didn't warned Belfort of that kick.
i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
You mean beyond the general hope we all have that any fighter would get dropkicked during a MMA match?
Because I'm not picky- Personally, I'd like to see more dropkicks to the face in any given fight.
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Post #18 9/25/12 11:58:34AM
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Posted by FastKnockout
it's worse when you can't get an accurate reading on a guy.
That's where Brimage's scouter comes in handy
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Post #19 9/25/12 1:07:12PM
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i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
You mean beyond the general hope we all have that any fighter would get dropkicked during a MMA match?
Because I'm not picky- Personally, I'd like to see more dropkicks to the face in any given fight.
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Post #20 9/25/12 1:10:55PM
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Posted by voodoo-jitsu
i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
You mean beyond the general hope we all have that any fighter would get dropkicked during a MMA match?
Because I'm not picky- Personally, I'd like to see more dropkicks to the face in any given fight.
MOAR!
EDIT: Besides the dropkicks, I did not like that fight.
Still, y'know, dropkicks are cool.
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Post #21 9/25/12 1:26:16PM
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Big John wasn't warning JJ - - -
He was quoting 1 Corinthians 10:31 - - - So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
JJ replied, Hell YAH! I love me some God, so I'm gonna drink me some MGD's and do me some endangering, WOOT-WOOT! 
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Post #22 9/25/12 2:45:21PM
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Posted by voodoo-jitsu
i hope someone would dropkick jones in the face when hes down like that.
You mean beyond the general hope we all have that any fighter would get dropkicked during a MMA match?
Because I'm not picky- Personally, I'd like to see more dropkicks to the face in any given fight.
MOAR!
EDIT: Besides the dropkicks, I did not like that fight.
Still, y'know, dropkicks are cool.
Dropass
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Post #23 9/25/12 2:51:35PM
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Posted by kingsmasher
Theres just lots of Jon Jones haters..>Even the refs....Hes easy to hate when hes utterly destroyed everyone hes faced...Never been taken down...Never on his back...Hes easy to hate...Hes been my favorite and I knew hed be champ from way before any title shot....but I would like to see him get in trouble...not lose...Only way to beat him is bum rush him with a million punches...and hope you connect...I have said though with his reach he will disrupt any power with his reach...You cant win!!
Get use to it!! He could beat any 2 LHW in the same night if it was a tournament...I mean 2 fresh guys one after the other...
No, his biggest weakness is cardio, second biggest is striking. He has a solid chin, long reach, and superior wrestling so it nullifies someone squarely beating him and his well roundedness saves him from being finished even if hurt.
HOWEVER, his biggest weakness is his 30-35 pound cut to 205 that leaves him usually under 3 rounds of solid cardio. Anyone who could outwrestle, out strike, or overall control him and his tempo can beat him.
Right now Lyoto is all we have, maybe Gustaffson. Bot are faster, better standing technique and unusual very hard to takedown movement. Either could potentially control his tempo and even outscore him for 3 rounds. After that aside from one of Jones' Fedoresque combination finishes (throw takedown and cut elbows, flash submission etc) he wont be more than a slow vulnerable target.
The best challenges at 205 are yet to come, but make no mistake, they are coming.
His striking is a weakness??? Um no!!!!! He has probably the most devastating elbows in MMA, his kicks in all areas are pretty on point as well.
Last edited 9/25/12 9:54PM by buffalodave
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Post #24 9/25/12 9:54:14PM
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Posted by BuffaloDave
Posted by ghandikush
No, his biggest weakness is cardio, second biggest is striking. He has a solid chin, long reach, and superior wrestling so it nullifies someone squarely beating him and his well roundedness saves him from being finished even if hurt.
His striking is a weakness??? Um no!!!!! He has probably the most devastating elbows in MMA, his kicks in all areas are pretty on point as well.
To be fair, he also has a 10" reach on almost all his opponents. If he had the same striking skill set but did not have such a massive reach advantage, he would not nearly be as effective. Some of the top strikers in the division would be able to expose this. Jones doesn't throw combos either.
I wouldn't call striking a strength, but due to his reach, it's not really a weakness either
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Post #25 9/25/12 10:23:05PM
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wish belfort would have landed the kick in the start to jones mug
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Post #26 9/27/12 7:18:40PM
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