WWE takes shot at UFC on 'Monday Night Raw'

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BuffaloDave
11/20/12 8:52:15PM



Coming off a weekend when both the UFC and World Wrestling Entertainment held major pay-per-view events, the pro wrestling juggernaut on its flagship 'Monday Night Raw' show took a direct shot at what it publicly claims is not its competitor.

The WWE regularly puts graphics on its broadcasts talking about beating other sports properties like the NBA and Major League Baseball in television ratings, social media engagement or web site hits. UFC is often mentioned within a grouping, but rarely does something on the graphic come across as a direct putdown in these "Did You Know" bumpers that play on WWE's shows on Monday and Friday.

Both companies, for obvious reasons, will publicly state they are not competitors. For UFC, a company looking for credibility with the public as a major sport, it makes no sense for any comparisons to be made with pro wrestling which does far stronger television ratings. For WWE, it is the dominant force in its world, but when doing talks about business with media and other corporations its executives for the past seven years have been constantly asked questions about the UFC.


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george112
11/20/12 8:57:57PM
This is actually funny.

Let's see if Dana even responds. WWE is big. Fake as it may be it is BIG. Bigger then the UFC
BuffaloDave
11/20/12 9:18:19PM

Posted by george112

This is actually funny.

Let's see if Dana even responds. WWE is big. Fake as it may be it is BIG. Bigger then the UFC



It's big, has been around a lot longer too, but over the past few years the ratings have been dipping a lot, Raw has been very inconsistent with it's ratings, ever since they tried to clean up everything, for Linda's run at congress, viewership has declined. I hardly watch anymore, but I keep up with results online, just so when I do watch, I know somewhat what's going on.

The numbers are a little BS too, Smackdown was at 2 million something viewers while TUF was like around 640,000, that is far from 10 times the amount.

One show SD couldn't beat, was GoldRush
george112
11/20/12 9:22:18PM
Gold Rush FTW!

Am I the only one that hates the dakota boys?
grappler0000
11/20/12 9:23:52PM
It's kinda funny that they would feel the need to throw a useless stat up like this. It's also interesting that they don't show the comparison of PPV buys, which would be more of an apples to apples approach.
BuffaloDave
11/20/12 9:28:14PM

Posted by grappler0000

It's kinda funny that they would feel the need to throw a useless stat up like this. It's also interesting that they don't show the comparison of PPV buys, which would be more of an apples to apples approach.



That's because the only WWE PPV's that do good, are the OG's Royal Rumble, Mania, Summer Slam, and Survivor Series. I think even with UFC PPV declining numbers they still out do the WWE most of the time.
grappler0000
11/20/12 9:34:01PM

Posted by BuffaloDave


The numbers are a little BS too, Smackdown was at 2 million something viewers while TUF was like around 640,000, that is far from 10 times the amount.




If you take a closer look at the claim, it isn't even about viewership...it's about social activity. I had to read it a second time as well, so I'm sure 90% of the folks watching live inferred the same.


That's because the only WWE PPV's that do good, are the OG's Royal Rumble, Mania, Summer Slam, and Survivor Series. I think even with UFC PPV declining numbers they still out do the WWE most of the time.


Oh, I know...that's why I think it's funny that they wouldn't bring up that comparison in a million years.
BuffaloDave
11/20/12 9:39:20PM

Posted by grappler0000

If you take a closer look at the claim, it isn't even about viewership...it's about social activity. I had to read it a second time as well, so I'm sure 90% of the folks watching live inferred the same.



Good catch, guess they were telling the truth then, lol.
grappler0000
11/20/12 9:57:31PM
And if it's "social activity" they are counting, do they account for where the activity comes from? I'm fairly certain Smackdown is broadcast in several countries. Does the social activities of all those countries count? The show is also a 3-hour block, if I'm not mistaken. Is the social activity only measured during the broadcast? And if so, do they measure it per hour or per episode. Smackdown would obviously have an advantage over nearly any other program in that regard, if it were measured per episode.

Also, something to take into account is that if the WWE uses this company for statistics, then they know exactly where the numbers come from...making it easy to procure the results they want.

Live programming vs reality television. One show has been on Fridays for several years, while the other is still trying to find its home. One show has been on the same network for a couple of years, while the other just got its start this year.

Just seems like a silly comparison about a really silly stat. Whatever though.
Gogoplatapus
11/20/12 10:00:59PM
I can imagine the discussion between wrestling crazies regurgitating that 'stat'.
Bubbles
11/20/12 11:24:11PM

Posted by grappler0000

And if it's "social activity" they are counting, do they account for where the activity comes from? I'm fairly certain Smackdown is broadcast in several countries. Does the social activities of all those countries count? The show is also a 3-hour block, if I'm not mistaken. Is the social activity only measured during the broadcast? And if so, do they measure it per hour or per episode. Smackdown would obviously have an advantage over nearly any other program in that regard, if it were measured per episode.

Also, something to take into account is that if the WWE uses this company for statistics, then they know exactly where the numbers come from...making it easy to procure the results they want.

Live programming vs reality television. One show has been on Fridays for several years, while the other is still trying to find its home. One show has been on the same network for a couple of years, while the other just got its start this year.

Just seems like a silly comparison about a really silly stat. Whatever though.


what channel is Smackdown on in the states? I would assume it's audience is much bigger than FX's
infestructure
11/21/12 12:05:55AM

Posted by george112

This is actually funny.

Let's see if Dana even responds. WWE is big. Fake as it may be it is BIG. Bigger then the UFC



Dana should not respond - it's apples and oranges imo
kingsmasher
11/21/12 7:12:11AM
I hate to say but the UFC will take a long time to catch WWE...Why? idk but I was at someones house and wanted to watch Bellator and they wanted to watch WWE for the kids that were there...its another baby sitting tool...

Also in other news about the money WWE generates I do know

vince mcmahons wife just spent like 60 million dollars of her own money trying to get into the senate...she tried twice and failed...



WWE dwarfs what the UFC does in money....WWE is a publicly traded company....also merchandising is probably ten times at least than what the UFC does...

THink about it...How many wrestling shirts do you see pple wearing if you go anywhere compared to a UFC exclusive brand...

I hate that crap but the UFC will need lots of time to get to that level...
BuffaloDave
11/21/12 8:26:30AM

Posted by Bubbles


Posted by grappler0000

And if it's "social activity" they are counting, do they account for where the activity comes from? I'm fairly certain Smackdown is broadcast in several countries. Does the social activities of all those countries count? The show is also a 3-hour block, if I'm not mistaken. Is the social activity only measured during the broadcast? And if so, do they measure it per hour or per episode. Smackdown would obviously have an advantage over nearly any other program in that regard, if it were measured per episode.

Also, something to take into account is that if the WWE uses this company for statistics, then they know exactly where the numbers come from...making it easy to procure the results they want.

Live programming vs reality television. One show has been on Fridays for several years, while the other is still trying to find its home. One show has been on the same network for a couple of years, while the other just got its start this year.

Just seems like a silly comparison about a really silly stat. Whatever though.


what channel is Smackdown on in the states? I would assume it's audience is much bigger than FX's



It's on SyFy now, used to be on a free channel for the longest time I think CW.
Bythar
11/21/12 8:27:58AM
This is just like the WWE. They do stuff like this with stats all the time, to create very misleading information. For example, in one of these posts entitled 'WWE13 dominance' it explained how the game was the number 1 sports title, beating the madden, fifa and nba games that week. What it didn't mention was that these other games all came out months ago... They do it all the time, twisting data to show how they're more popular than much bigger things such as basketball and even mcdonalds. They know they can get away with it because the majority of their viewership is coming from kids. Hell, they even erased Chris Benoit. If you check out their archives, it's as though he never existed.

As for the decline in ratings, we might see them rise again. As BuffaloDave pointed out, the WWE entered the 'pg' era, basically due to Linda McMahon wanting to run for politics (lol). Now that that has failed twice with the 100 million she spent on it down the toilet, we may see WWE get less pg in order to get an older audience. Kids will watch wrestling anyway, I know I did when I was a kid and it was aimed at an older audience (during the attitude era), so it might actually increase in popularity again...


grappler0000
11/21/12 10:50:29AM

Posted by kingsmasher

I hate to say but the UFC will take a long time to catch WWE...Why? idk but I was at someones house and wanted to watch Bellator and they wanted to watch WWE for the kids that were there...its another baby sitting tool...

Also in other news about the money WWE generates I do know

vince mcmahons wife just spent like 60 million dollars of her own money trying to get into the senate...she tried twice and failed...



WWE dwarfs what the UFC does in money....WWE is a publicly traded company....also merchandising is probably ten times at least than what the UFC does...

THink about it...How many wrestling shirts do you see pple wearing if you go anywhere compared to a UFC exclusive brand...

I hate that crap but the UFC will need lots of time to get to that level...



To be fair, WWE excels in some areas, while UFC in others. The UFC surpassed the WWE in PPV buyrates years ago. Television and merchandising will take some time though. When considering the WWE was already a monster in all 3 categories the day UFC 1 happened, I'd say the UFC hasn't done too bad a job of playing catch up. The UFC is finally at a place where they have the Fox deal and fighters are getting Gatorade and Nike sponsorships. Legitimacy takes many forms and has several phases. It's only during this phase can the real building begin and possibly gain some traction where the WWE seems like a juggernaut. Of course, Vince McMahon is a smart business man and I'm sure he sees it coming. He's made ironic statements regarding MMA content in the past. He's "supposedly" tried to get the UFC off of television in parts of Europe. His only recourse at this juncture? Little jabs like the one above. I guess he's used to communicating to people with blinders on though, because this is about as transparent as it gets. So, if McMahon's reaction is any indication of where this is all going, then it's just a matter of time.
mrsmiley
11/21/12 11:10:14AM
WWE does this all the time. I still consider myself a pro wrestling fan,though I'll patiently await for the PG era to pass before I watch any significant amount of WWE television again. The last two things of significance they did to get me to watch was when Brett Hart came back and confronted HBK,and when Rock came back to lay the smackdown to Cena.
Granted,this shows part of their dilemma. They have not generated new,original stars that transcend their sport/entertainment.

For example,look at Cena. Sure for what the company is he's okay. I guess. To quote batman "Cena's the face the WWE needs,but not the one it deserves."

Anyhow, remember Rock or stone cold? Those guys where trend setters ,they didn't follow them and their lies the problem with Cena. Their's nothing that original about the guy. He's following an already established sterotype of todays impressionable,white male. Whitey Ford singing the blues with a baby face bent to him.
I don't mean to rant here or steer off topic but I am.

I think Jim Cornette was right when he stated why UFC is deystroying WWE right now.
For one,it's real. That's the first and most obvious reason. But the other thing Cornette brought up I think is a real eye opener. UFC, not by design but by the natural playing out of things is re-enacting the greatest story lines in wrestling history. Grease gate,for example was a staple of pro-wrestling that was playing out in MMA the same way it was in wrestling.
It's all pretty interesting stuff to me.

I miss the days of N64,PS1,Monday night raw,NWO,etc. Theirs a nostalgic quality for me. I literally went crazy when Shamrock came over and was the ref I believe for an HBK,Hart fight..............Memories.
airkerma
11/21/12 11:22:23AM

Posted by BuffaloDave


Posted by Bubbles

what channel is Smackdown on in the states? I would assume it's audience is much bigger than FX's



It's on SyFy now, used to be on a free channel for the longest time I think CW.


It is the number one hit of the year...on scyfy, just barely edging out Ghost Hunters
jlock003
11/21/12 6:08:47PM
I like it. I feel like it will promote a little competition between different forms of entertainment.
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