Are we witnessing MMA at the highest peak it will ever become..

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Taylor8766
10/13/11 9:30:05PM
I know that mma is still relativly new and everything but i just looked at the fighter rankings on the playground and started thinking we may be witnessing the greatest era that will ever be in mma guys like GSP, Silva, Edgar, Aldo, Jones, BJ and the list literally goes on and on, Sure there will always be the next guys that will take the torch from these fighters but right now i think were witnessing mma in its absolute prime. especially now that 90% of the top tier guys are in the UFC the possibities are endless. I just wanted to point this out and give props to theUFC and mma, and am very proud to be witnessing mma in the golden era.
Kpro
10/13/11 9:38:09PM
I disagree. We might actually be at the highest number of hardcore fans right now that we'll ever be at, aside from the day before TUF 1 started. As they continuously stab new markets on major networks and have so many cards per year the peak is absolutely in the future and so are the best athletes; it's just the MMA fan-base will probably be casual fans by a huge majority and hardcore fans that catch every event will be the minority. We're just now finally seeing young fighters who have grown up as MMA fighters, rather than starting with one discipline. Many many more fans and better athletes with the hardcore fans becoming a much smaller percentage is what I envision.
grappler0000
10/13/11 9:49:37PM

Posted by Kpro

I disagree. We might actually be at the highest number of hardcore fans right now that we'll ever be at, aside from the day before TUF 1 started. As they continuously stab new markets on major networks and have so many cards per year the peak is absolutely in the future and so are the best athletes; it's just the MMA fan-base will probably be casual fans by a huge majority and hardcore fans that catch every event will be the minority. We're just now finally seeing young fighters who have grown up as MMA fighters, rather than starting with one discipline. Many many more fans and better athletes with the hardcore fans becoming a much smaller percentage is what I envision.



Kpro
10/13/11 9:55:25PM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by Kpro

I disagree. We might actually be at the highest number of hardcore fans right now that we'll ever be at, aside from the day before TUF 1 started. As they continuously stab new markets on major networks and have so many cards per year the peak is absolutely in the future and so are the best athletes; it's just the MMA fan-base will probably be casual fans by a huge majority and hardcore fans that catch every event will be the minority. We're just now finally seeing young fighters who have grown up as MMA fighters, rather than starting with one discipline. Many many more fans and better athletes with the hardcore fans becoming a much smaller percentage is what I envision.






BlueSkiesBurn
10/13/11 10:03:45PM

Posted by Kpro

I disagree. We might actually be at the highest number of hardcore fans right now that we'll ever be at, aside from the day before TUF 1 started. As they continuously stab new markets on major networks and have so many cards per year the peak is absolutely in the future and so are the best athletes; it's just the MMA fan-base will probably be casual fans by a huge majority and hardcore fans that catch every event will be the minority. We're just now finally seeing young fighters who have grown up as MMA fighters, rather than starting with one discipline. Many many more fans and better athletes with the hardcore fans becoming a much smaller percentage is what I envision.



Let me try to say what I think he's saying.

If you look at MLB in its early days, there's no doubt that some of the best to ever play the game were around. Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, etc..

I think that we're seeing that in MMA right now. You're not going to see fighters like this again. The Couture's, Fedor's, Silva's, etc...again. It's nice to say that we saw this kind of thing during our lifetimes.

I could be wrong, but I think that's what he's saying.
Kpro
10/13/11 10:05:27PM
Lol that the paragraph is that incoherent. Now I won't edit it just for confusion's sake.
grappler0000
10/13/11 10:30:17PM
There was one sentence in there relative to the topic...and I still agree. There are some special athletes at the top right now. Ones that don't come along very often. Imagine when those athletes do come along again though, but they've been training MMA their whole lives.
Kpro
10/13/11 10:32:37PM
Oh so now paragraphs have to have something to do with the topic?

grappler0000
10/13/11 10:34:38PM

Posted by Kpro

Oh so now paragraphs have to have something to do with the topic?




If it's any consolation, I also agree with the non-relevant statements as well.
BlueSkiesBurn
10/13/11 10:35:18PM

Posted by grappler0000

There was one sentence in there relative to the topic...and I still agree. There are some special athletes at the top right now. Ones that don't come along very often. Imagine when those athletes do come along again though, but they've been training MMA their whole lives.



I think he just worded the topic differently than I would have. If that's not what he's saying, then I don't know. I disagree if he believes this is MMA at its peak.
Chael_Sonnen
10/13/11 11:39:55PM
Highest peak you ask? Not even close buddy....sit back, grab your popcorn, and witness MMA gradually getting more solidified on a yearly basis

We haven't seen nothing yet.
Aether
10/14/11 3:45:44AM
no. Like the only coherent sentence in Kpro's post said, we are only just starting to see true MMA fighters as opposed to guys from individual disciplines learning other styles. Even our officials are not MMA officials yet. I'm waiting for the days when judges will be retired MMA fighters instead of shitty boxing judges who know nothing about Jiu Jitsu, and fighters all come from MMA gyms, and not wrestlers learning to strike, or BJJ guys learning to wrestle, then we'll really be in the golden age of MMA.
KungFuMaster
10/14/11 4:23:09AM
I happen to think mma will become saturated and we will lose some of the hard core fans to the casual group.

Regarding the talent pool: I think there will not be another GSP, Fedor, Couture, Sakuraba, Big Nog, R. Gracie, A. Silva etc. Reason being is the sport is still relatively new and barely making it out of its birth period. All the greats and legends have exploited loop holes in the sport of mma. GSP is the prime example. He has exploited the loop holes in mma to almost perfection.

In the new era of mma ( which is coming up soon), GSP wannabe fighters will not be able to exploit the wrestling in dominating fashion as GSP himself has done so thus far. As mma keeps on evolving, there will be less and less domination in the octagon >>>>>because the new breeds will keep getting better and better and the deciding factors for winning fights may come down to physical attributes like innate strength, speed, and mental toughness while strategy will have less of an impact on fights.
grappler0000
10/14/11 8:31:29AM

Posted by KungFuMaster

In the new era of mma ( which is coming up soon), GSP wannabe fighters will not be able to exploit the wrestling in dominating fashion as GSP himself has done so thus far. As mma keeps on evolving, there will be less and less domination in the octagon >>>>>because the new breeds will keep getting better and better and the deciding factors for winning fights may come down to physical attributes like innate strength, speed, and mental toughness while strategy will have less of an impact on fights.



That's the idea though. Competition will rise. It's like saying Chamberlain was better than Jordan because he was able to score 100 points in 1 game. It's not to say there won't be another Wilt Chamberlain. I'm sure there's been plenty of Wilts over the years, but it wasn't as noticeable. Domination doesn't mean that we've seen the best...it just means the rest of the pack needs to catch up.
prophecy033
10/14/11 11:33:32AM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by KungFuMaster

In the new era of mma ( which is coming up soon), GSP wannabe fighters will not be able to exploit the wrestling in dominating fashion as GSP himself has done so thus far. As mma keeps on evolving, there will be less and less domination in the octagon >>>>>because the new breeds will keep getting better and better and the deciding factors for winning fights may come down to physical attributes like innate strength, speed, and mental toughness while strategy will have less of an impact on fights.



That's the idea though. Competition will rise. It's like saying Chamberlain was better than Jordan because he was able to score 100 points in 1 game. It's not to say there won't be another Wilt Chamberlain. I'm sure there's been plenty of Wilts over the years, but it wasn't as noticeable. Domination doesn't mean that we've seen the best...it just means the rest of the pack needs to catch up.

If Shaq and Wilt were playing against eachother today, Wilt wouldn't have been able to guard Shaq. And Shaq would have pushed Wilt off the block. But since Wilt played when the competition wasn't as good, he dominated the game and thus is considered by many to be the Greatest Center ever. Would Wilt score 100 points in a game today, no. So yeah, I agree that there will be guys as great as they are today, they just won't stand out as much as the fighters of today
KungFuMaster
10/14/11 12:13:34PM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by KungFuMaster

In the new era of mma ( which is coming up soon), GSP wannabe fighters will not be able to exploit the wrestling in dominating fashion as GSP himself has done so thus far. As mma keeps on evolving, there will be less and less domination in the octagon >>>>>because the new breeds will keep getting better and better and the deciding factors for winning fights may come down to physical attributes like innate strength, speed, and mental toughness while strategy will have less of an impact on fights.



That's the idea though. Competition will rise. It's like saying Chamberlain was better than Jordan because he was able to score 100 points in 1 game. It's not to say there won't be another Wilt Chamberlain. I'm sure there's been plenty of Wilts over the years, but it wasn't as noticeable. Domination doesn't mean that we've seen the best...it just means the rest of the pack needs to catch up.



I agree and disagree.

To be a GSP, you have to be better than everyone else in the division. While every fighter in the WW division is fighting at level 4 - 8, GSP is fighting at level 10.

In years to come, what was level 10 in GSP's era will soon be level 8. To be a GSP fighter in this new era, you will have to be at level 10 and the rest of the field will have to be 8 and below.

To be a GSP in any era, you have to be one or two steps above everyone which I doubt will likely happen again.

LateCold
10/14/11 1:39:24PM
There will still be new peaks I imagine.Can't see the Fox deal with its possible audience being a bad thing with its bigger reach.The only thing that doesn't seem so good about it would TUF on fridays at that timeslot.
Poor_Franklin
10/14/11 2:54:40PM
nope. we're not even close. to assume what we're watching is the best ever is silly & leads me to believe you don't watch many HW fights

i think in 10 years, for every dominant superstar you see now in each weight class, you'll see 5-7 guys w/ that same range of skill & talent in each division.

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