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Sam_Rothstein
10/30/07 8:33:49PM

Posted by thepunisher

Ninja VS Rampage was bad even Rampage thought he lost



Yeah that had to be a very tough night for ninja.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8PWyOrw6rNg


Also i saw ricco vs big nog/ortiz vs griffin/bas vs randleman

those were all pretty bad decisions in my book as well
MALICE
10/30/07 8:36:07PM

Posted by cmill21


Posted by xxMALICExx


I don't think anyones anywhere near perfected mma judging.


Definitely not. But do you ever think they will develop a new style of judging?



Hoping they will, I figure if mma keeps going on it current pace they will be forced to.



As some fighters, and commentators have stated. All professional sports started out just the way MMA is going right now. Different Leagues. Slightly different rules. Eventually, they all have to unionize. Remaining as separate leagues, but all adopting a standard set of rules and regulations. This making it easier for spectators to follow, rules to be followed, and most importantly, interleague fights. All of this will bring every fighter onto the same playing field(or ring). Some may think this to be a bad move for the sport. Some may think it will be good. I'm undecided right now, but I'm leaning towards good.
Rush
10/30/07 9:06:19PM
Bas and Randleman
Hammill and Bisping


These two stand out, but I haven't watched every Pride and UFC fight out there so take this with a grain of salt.
Sam_Rothstein
10/31/07 12:07:52AM
a few people mentioned to me that Arona should have got the decision at pride shockwave in 2005 but I never saw that fight

has anyone ever seen that fight and if so do you agree that wanderlei should have got the nod?
hippysmacker
10/31/07 2:44:39AM

Posted by hook_tothe_body

Tito/Griffin wasn't the worst of all time because by UFCs stupid judging/rules (takedowns - even if you don't do anything with them - earn you points,) Tito won that fight. It was close, but I would say Tito won. By those rules. If the fight happened on the street I would say Griffin won because when Tito took Griffin down late in the third, Griffin was the one - from his back - landing the elbows. But the way the UFC judges fights, I don't see anyone ever winning a fight off their back, which is sad.

My vote goes to Rampage/Ninja.



Bas won from predominantly his back against Randleman, although it was pretty controversial at the time. I've seen a few people in this thread list that fight, and I disagree. Randleman was the epitome of LnP to me, but to each his own.
Sam_Rothstein
10/31/07 5:50:57AM

Posted by hippysmacker
Bas won from predominantly his back against Randleman, although it was pretty controversial at the time. I've seen a few people in this thread list that fight, and I disagree. Randleman was the epitome of LnP to me, but to each his own.



well I partially agree with you

The 2nd half of the fight I would say bas rutten had some impressive strikes from the bottom. Then in the overtime matches i noticed that a lot of the strikes he threw were just for show and had no power to them.

I cant say that ruttens strikes were the only ones that looked bad late into the fight, does anyone remember those little baby hammer fists randleman threw right before the end of the 2nd disqualification round?

With that said I still think randleman had won that fight. Randleman had broke Bas's nose and cut him under both eyes causing the fight to be stopped several times to let Bas's cutman clean up the mess randleman had made.

Also though randleman did do a lot of lay and pray he still took the fight to the ground whenever he wanted even if it meant bas throwing arm punches from his back once it went there
Khaos
10/31/07 7:15:52AM
Hamil-Bisping
Guida-Griffin
Griffin-Ortiz

I've seen a lot of people put Rutten-Randleman, if you were to ask me, I'd Bas Rutten won.
tuvok500
10/31/07 4:38:26PM

Posted by cmill21


Posted by xxMALICExx


I don't think anyones anywhere near perfected mma judging.


Definitely not. But do you ever think they will develop a new style of judging?



Hoping they will, I figure if mma keeps going on it current pace they will be forced to.



I think that they will keep there judging system but it would be interresting to have 5 judges instead of 3.

this way, the very hard or close fight to judges would have a more legitimate result.

it is like in the law juging, in the normal court we have 1 judges, in the appeal court they are 5 i think and the case are normally more conplex to juges, and if we go higer, we have to supreme court and they are 9 judges.

so normally the more you are the betters and the more accurate is your judgement !!

payne8888
10/31/07 6:03:12PM

Posted by liddel4prez

Randleman/Bas



x2. I'd like to know what the hell was going through the judges heads on that one. I watched the entire fight looking for a reason to give it to bas and he did absolutely nothing except land a handful of kicks and punches.
DNor
11/3/07 8:54:46PM
Not worst, but some bad ones
Guy Mezger vs. Shoji in Pride 6
Guy Mezger vs. Arona in Pride 16
Vitor vs. Heath Herring in Pride 14
themmadigest
11/4/07 11:46:18AM
Don't know if it's the worst ever, but the draw between Caol Uno and BJ Penn in their second fight was pretty off
Boo_Radley21
11/4/07 12:42:14PM
Hammil vs Bisping
Vitor vs Ortiz
chickmagnet
11/4/07 2:34:42PM
HAMILL vs. BISPING, bisping was running away the whole entire
fight, Hamill was robbed, he should be fighting Rashad.
Crisis167
11/5/07 11:26:08PM
i actually believe that the decision over Bisping's victory was proper... It wasn't a pretty win, and it definately wasn't a decisive win, but Bisping did what he needed to do in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to swing the judges. Remember it was only a split decision....

I think Hamill demolished Bisping the first round completely..... Bisping's face was totally messed up.... but Hamill didn't do enough to convincly take the latter rounds.... He was breathing hard he started getting sloppy and he was having troubles with the takedown.

i don't believe that Bisping totally controlled round 2 and 3, but i think he did just enough to sway the vote. Now for those who think that Hamill was downright robbed, I think Hamill is a great fighter... I was cheering for him, but I definately don't see in anyway that he pulled the win from this fight... At best Hamill should've pulled a draw but no more than that, Bisping's face didn't look pretty but Hamill didn't controll either of the last two rounds.

I think that the GSP vs Bj Penn fight... was judged in exactly the same way.
Bj wrecked George's face in the first round.... but Gsp did what he needed to do, just like Bisping in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to pull out the victory.
DieSlow
11/7/07 5:58:57PM
Bisping vs Hamill was by far the worst decision I have ever seen. Bar none.
I agree that the others mentioned were bad, no comparison to what Hamill got handed to him.
nubby
11/7/07 8:33:07PM
Anyone saying that Forrest won against Tito is just being lead by the commentators just like someone else said above. Tito won round 1 and 3 decisively. I'm rewatching the Vitor fight right now.
Mayhem13
11/7/07 8:34:57PM
UFC= Hammil vs Bisping

PRIDE= Jackson vs Ninja
ko-kbo130
11/7/07 8:50:57PM

Posted by Crisis167

i actually believe that the decision over Bisping's victory was proper... It wasn't a pretty win, and it definately wasn't a decisive win, but Bisping did what he needed to do in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to swing the judges. Remember it was only a split decision....

I think Hamill demolished Bisping the first round completely..... Bisping's face was totally messed up.... but Hamill didn't do enough to convincly take the latter rounds.... He was breathing hard he started getting sloppy and he was having troubles with the takedown.

i don't believe that Bisping totally controlled round 2 and 3, but i think he did just enough to sway the vote. Now for those who think that Hamill was downright robbed, I think Hamill is a great fighter... I was cheering for him, but I definately don't see in anyway that he pulled the win from this fight... At best Hamill should've pulled a draw but no more than that, Bisping's face didn't look pretty but Hamill didn't controll either of the last two rounds.

I think that the GSP vs Bj Penn fight... was judged in exactly the same way.
Bj wrecked George's face in the first round.... but Gsp did what he needed to do, just like Bisping in the 2nd and 3rd rounds to pull out the victory.


i feel the same way. i dont think it was a dominating victory by any means. i said it right after the fight that it was gunna be a close decision. people make it like hammil completly dominated the fight. IMO nobody dominated that fight.
TheLegend
11/9/07 3:25:47PM
It's Hamill/Bisping I can't see how that went to Bisping and regarding the Tito/Forrest fight Forrest even admits that he thinks he lost the fight.
Djbb
11/9/07 6:40:12PM
Why the hell is everyone saying Hamill was ripped off against Bisping? If you guys would rewatch the fight, Hamill wasn't as aggressive as he should've been. Even Rogan commented during the fight that Hamill kept letting Bisping up after a takedown. Secondly, it was NOT hometown favouritism. The only british judge voted in favour of Hamill, both American judges voting in favour of Bisping. There was no vast conspiracy to make Bisping win in his hometown. Maybe if there was 2 british judges vs 1 american, but the sole british judge voted in favour of the American. This isn't WWE, there was no Montreal Screwjob. If you guys wanna know what I think was the worst decision in the UFC, I think it was not letting the fight go until someone was KO'd so people would STFU.
cmill21
11/9/07 6:43:36PM

Posted by Djbb

Why the hell is everyone saying Hamill was ripped off against Bisping? If you guys would rewatch the fight, Hamill wasn't as aggressive as he should've been. Even Rogan commented during the fight that Hamill kept letting Bisping up after a takedown. Secondly, it was NOT hometown favouritism. The only british judge voted in favour of Hamill, both American judges voting in favour of Bisping. There was no vast conspiracy to make Bisping win in his hometown. Maybe if there was 2 british judges vs 1 american, but the sole british judge voted in favour of the American. This isn't WWE, there was no Montreal Screwjob. If you guys wanna know what I think was the worst decision in the UFC, I think it was not letting the fight go until someone was KO'd so people would STFU.



No, he was ripped, he controled the entire fight.
jiujitsufreak74
11/9/07 6:50:12PM

Posted by Djbb

Why the hell is everyone saying Hamill was ripped off against Bisping? If you guys would rewatch the fight, Hamill wasn't as aggressive as he should've been. Even Rogan commented during the fight that Hamill kept letting Bisping up after a takedown. Secondly, it was NOT hometown favouritism. The only british judge voted in favour of Hamill, both American judges voting in favour of Bisping. There was no vast conspiracy to make Bisping win in his hometown. Maybe if there was 2 british judges vs 1 american, but the sole british judge voted in favour of the American. This isn't WWE, there was no Montreal Screwjob. If you guys wanna know what I think was the worst decision in the UFC, I think it was not letting the fight go until someone was KO'd so people would STFU.



ok, first of all, hamill was definitely ripped, he controlled the whole match as cmill correctly pointed out and he was winning the stand up battle and ground battle. he punished bis[ping, the only round i saw that could possibly go to bisping was the third, but the enitre fight hamill was dominating. if this had been pride rules and judging, hamill wins hands down.

and as for letting the fight go until someone gets KOed...thats just ridiculously stupid. no body wants to see two exhausted guys sloppily throwing wild, tired punches and resting for ten minutes at a time. look at ken shamrock royce gracie fight that went 25 minutes (one continuous round). It would not be entertaining and it would just lead to the dragging out of a boring fight instead of the definitive the conclusion that you think it would bring. rounds are fine the way they are, to let it go on until someone is Koed is just barbaric and non-entertaining IMO.
Djbb
11/9/07 6:52:46PM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74

ok, first of all, hamill was definitely ripped, he controlled the whole match as cmill correctly pointed out and he was winning the stand up battle and ground battle. he punished bis[ping, the only round i saw that could possibly go to bisping was the third, but the enitre fight hamill was dominating. if this had been pride rules and judging, hamill wins hands down.

and as for letting the fight go until someone gets KOed...thats just ridiculously stupid. no body wants to see two exhausted guys sloppily throwing wild, tired punches and resting for ten minutes at a time. look at ken shamrock royce gracie fight that went 25 minutes (one continuous round). It would not be entertaining and it would just lead to the dragging out of a boring fight instead of the definitive the conclusion that you think it would bring. rounds are fine the way they are, to let it go on until someone is Koed is just barbaric and non-entertaining IMO.



Good post, I feel my argument was adequately torn apart by your logic. Quick question, how much money is Dana White paying you to judge fights?
jiujitsufreak74
11/9/07 7:00:32PM

Posted by Djbb

Good post, I feel my argument was adequately torn apart by your logic. Quick question, how much money is Dana White paying you to judge fights?



well, don't get me started on the inadequacies of the UFC judges. I have seen many bad decisions, most of which are all posted in this topic alone. so i, as well as a profound majority of mma fans, believe hamill won that fight. IMHO, anyone who has ever been in an mma match or knows first hand experience knows that Hamill won that fight. So maybe dana should pay me to judge fights, i think i could do a better job then they did with the hamill fight. or better yet, he should hire judges that actually know what they are doing...wouldn't mind seeing bas behind the scorers table or even couture if he officially retires.
NatedawgThaM
11/9/07 8:29:50PM
KEVIN RANDLEMAN vs. BAS RUTTEN!!!

RIGGED! The opening round Kevin Randlema comes out. Takes Bas to the ground. The heck you all smoking saying "LNP?" Kevin was hitting him with monster shots through the 1st 5 minutes. Then the last 5 it was more technical wreslting but he still through shots! IN overtime Kevin took him down and just pinned him to the mat.

Kevin took him down whenever he wanted to. Threw some tremendous punches at the beginning. Controled the fight throughout. Why would you even consider Bas? Those girly strikes form the bottom didn't do squat!


MARK COLEMAN vs PEDRO RIZZO!!!

Mark took him down and CONTROLED him for the WHOLE 1st round. Pedro didn't do squat. Sure he landed a few shots but so did Coleman.You can't just give someone the fight when they landed as much strikes as your opponent but got dominated on the ground....


BS decisions!!! THE JUDGES HATE WRESTLERS!!!!

Ultimate_fighter
11/11/07 11:58:01PM
Usually i dont think dec's are bad, just becuz i wonder, why in the hell are fighters even allowing the judges to say who won, why not just give it ur all and finish it.... i dont really think there are bad decisions out there.... the loser of these "bad decisions" got what they deserve.....
Franklinfan47
11/12/07 11:12:09AM

Posted by Ultimate_fighter

Usually i dont think dec's are bad, just becuz i wonder, why in the hell are fighters even allowing the judges to say who won, why not just give it ur all and finish it.... i dont really think there are bad decisions out there.... the loser of these "bad decisions" got what they deserve.....



I dont really agree with that, some fighters are just hard to finish or are just very evenly matched. And to take the victory away from them with a foolish decision is just wrong.

As for worst decisions, I'll say Bisping vs Hamill because its still fresh in my mind.
tomp6581
11/12/07 11:38:46AM
Ricco V Nog
Bass V Randleman
Ninja V Rampage
Hammill V Bisping


One of those surely
BerndRealBad
11/12/07 12:48:00PM
Pat Miletich over Mikey Burnett at Ultimate Brazil. All Miletich did the entire fight was try to expose Mikey's balls by pulling his tights up and holding him against the fence. Burnett pressed the action, landed more strikes and stuffed all of Miletich's takedown attempts. He even took Miletich down and landed some shots but Miletich does have a great guard and basically tied him up without going for ANYTHING until Burnett got back up. I don't blame Mikey for walking out after that decision was announced.
Canadian_32
11/12/07 12:51:33PM
michael bisping vs matt hamill was the worst one i lost $100 bucks on that much i was so pissed
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