WERDUM VS AA, Forrest vs Lyoto-confirmed who takes it

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pv3Hpv3p
2/23/07 3:30:51PM

Posted by loller90278

well then can't you say pawul nastula is top 10 too with only defeats comin from barnett and (big nog is it??) aleks E



I think Nastula has the skill... But you're comparing a guy with one win vs a guy with ten...

If nastula could rack up nine more wins, why wouldn't people talk about him on a top ten list???
loller90278
2/23/07 3:37:30PM
i wouldnt NOT consider him top 10 but arlovksi's 10 that he did beat are not top 10 (besides sylvia, rizzo and i guess ricco) while nastula would have to face fedor, aleks, big nog, barnett, etc etc

i guess what im tryin to say is that i think arlovski has yet to prove himself against a REAL competitor (and not win by a cheap shot vs cruz imo). if he wins over crocop then he'll have my respect
shawneth
2/23/07 4:03:50PM
Does anybody think Griffin has a chance against Lyoto? I think were going to see another Lyoto vs Bonnar. Lyoto's stand up is too good for Griffin. But maybe Griffin has a chance at beating Lyoto on the ground?

Werdum is gonna be a good test for Arlovski, but I think that Arlovski is gonna prove that he is not so overrated after all. In my opinion, Werdum wont be able to take this fight to the ground and Arlovski will eventually get the KO.
Trapt1nw0nder
2/23/07 4:07:59PM
great news and i cant wait!!!

the only thing thats gonna suck is watching this alone with sleepy eyes at 11 am


Forrest is getting a tough fight but i think it will be great

Werdum/AA....hope Arlovski takes it
pv3Hpv3p
2/23/07 4:26:30PM

Posted by shawneth

Does anybody think Griffin has a chance against Lyoto? I think were going to see another Lyoto vs Bonnar. Lyoto's stand up is too good for Griffin. But maybe Griffin has a chance at beating Lyoto on the ground?

Werdum is gonna be a good test for Arlovski, but I think that Arlovski is gonna prove that he is not so overrated after all. In my opinion, Werdum wont be able to take this fight to the ground and Arlovski will eventually get the KO.



Sure he stands a chance... I'm a huge Machida fan, but there is a lot of hype around him and I think he really only has a slight edge on paper...

With that being said I think Machida will take it, by TKO / ref stoppage in the late 2nd or early 3rd...

I love the way Lyo strikes he just doesn't seem to have the God-given KO power like some fighters at 205...
loller90278
2/23/07 4:27:21PM
i wish we could bet real money on fights here..
OB_Juan
2/23/07 4:31:51PM

Posted by loller90278

who would rank arlovski @ 6 when he's 10-5 with loses to datsik, sylvia 2x, rizzo and ricco ?)



Werdum should definitely be ahead of him. That's about all I have to say on that considering the HW div isn't exactly overflowing w/ top talent these days.
ac_gi
2/23/07 5:51:08PM

Posted by OB_Juan


Posted by loller90278

who would rank arlovski @ 6 when he's 10-5 with loses to datsik, sylvia 2x, rizzo and ricco ?)



Werdum should definitely be ahead of him. That's about all I have to say on that considering the HW div isn't exactly overflowing w/ top talent these days.



I think the UFC HW division is getting very good. They have 4 of the top 7 HW according to MMAWEEKLY rankings. 4 UFC, 5 Pride and one Fedor make up the top 10.
ac_gi
2/23/07 5:52:56PM

Posted by loller90278

i wouldnt NOT consider him top 10 but arlovksi's 10 that he did beat are not top 10 (besides sylvia, rizzo and i guess ricco) while nastula would have to face fedor, aleks, big nog, barnett, etc etc

i guess what im tryin to say is that i think arlovski has yet to prove himself against a REAL competitor (and not win by a cheap shot vs cruz imo). if he wins over crocop then he'll have my respect


Is that all he has to do. I would hate to have to work for you.
deehjhay
2/23/07 5:53:32PM
I think werdum is too much for AA on the ground... I believe that ryoto will bring that same explosion he did against hoger and possibly ko forrest in the 1st or 2nd...
ac_gi
2/23/07 5:55:44PM

Posted by deehjhay

I think werdum is too much for AA on the ground... I believe that ryoto will bring that same explosion he did against hoger and possibly ko forrest in the 1st or 2nd...



Remember that AA has a background in Sambo and has snapped limbs in MMA events in the past. However, I agree that Werdum should pull out the win.
hippysmacker
2/23/07 6:20:45PM
Just got this off the front page of the UFC website, so it's completey official now.

UFC Announces UK Fight Card
The Ultimate Fighting Championship® (UFC®) organization today announced to the world it will stage UFC 70: NATIONS COLLIDE - the largest MMA event ever seen in the United Kingdom - at Manchester's MEN Arena Saturday, April 21, 2007.

Headlining UFC 70 is Croatian superstar Mirko “Cro Cop” vs. Gabriel Gonzaga. The main card also features Belaruse heavyweight Andrei Arlovski vs. Fabricio Werdum and Forrest Griffin vs. Lyoto Machida. The event will also mark the homecoming for Britain’s own Michael Bisping, the winner of the most recent season of the hit reality show, The Ultimate Fighter® 3 which airs on Spike TV in the US and on Bravo in the UK.

madmarck
2/23/07 8:56:29PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p


Posted by shawneth

Does anybody think Griffin has a chance against Lyoto? I think were going to see another Lyoto vs Bonnar. Lyoto's stand up is too good for Griffin. But maybe Griffin has a chance at beating Lyoto on the ground?

Werdum is gonna be a good test for Arlovski, but I think that Arlovski is gonna prove that he is not so overrated after all. In my opinion, Werdum wont be able to take this fight to the ground and Arlovski will eventually get the KO.



Sure he stands a chance... I'm a huge Machida fan, but there is a lot of hype around him and I think he really only has a slight edge on paper...

With that being said I think Machida will take it, by TKO / ref stoppage in the late 2nd or early 3rd...

I love the way Lyo strikes he just doesn't seem to have the God-given KO power like some fighters at 205...



There is so much mystique around Lyoto. Before he came to the UFC most people didnt even know what he looked like. All the knew was he beat Franklin.
I think Lyoto is good but he is hyped up almost in place of Rickson Gracie.
He is a dam good fighter though and i am looking forward to a good fight between him and griffin.
hippysmacker
2/23/07 9:09:54PM
Rickson? That's a lotta hype. A point for Machida though, he actually fight's people
nate22
2/23/07 9:30:03PM
Lyoto deserves some hype, The Rickson statement is a little drastic though. Everybody has wanted to see him fight some top competition for a while and although Forrest isn't exactly it, it beats fighting in K1 and Jungle Fight.

Forrest will stand with him no doubt and has a good chance to KO him at any point in the fight, more likely scenario is he will be outstruck and the question is whether or not Forrest will take the fight and be able to succeed on the ground. I doubt that he can or will. I'm very happy with the matchmaking here and think that it's a great fight for the division as I said before, time to see what Lyoto's made of, hopefully one of the two can end the fight.
Playground_Samurai
2/23/07 10:46:07PM
This is stacking up to be the best ppv of the year so far and there aren't even any title fights! I can' wait to see these fights. A couple of these fights are really tuff for me to pick.

Machida is great and has some big wins and no losses. There is nothing about him that would tell me he would lose to Griffin. However, I believe alot of people have discarded Forrest after his loss to Jardine. The way I see it is, it's one loss and I don't think we can fairly judge his potential from that one fight. IMO we should see something in the fact that Forrest actually took this tuff of a match coming directly off such a devastating loss. Alot of "fan favorites" or "popular fighters" would have been given a "can" or basically a easy fight to restore their reputation. I'm thinking the odds makers will probably be favoring Machida but i'm going with Forrest by a controversial split decision. I'm not counting him out just yet. I seen him perfom much better than his last fight. I'm not to confident with my decision, but for some reason that's how I see it playing out.

AA/Werdum! Can't wait for this. I've been waiting forever for the UFC to start putting together some great HW matches. The only HW's in the UFC that the casual fans have been able to see consistently and become familiar with as fans thus far is Sylvia and AA. You can tell that the UFC is making a obvious attempt to improve the HW division. Anyhow, this is a hard pick. They don't seem to have any common opponents and from what i've seen have two different fighting styles. They both have beaten good fighters and both have lost to good fighters. I think Werdum definatly looks better on paper but that doesn't always prove to be. So for no particular reason i'm going with AA by ko/tko in the third round.



madmarck
2/24/07 1:38:47PM

Posted by nate22

Lyoto deserves some hype, The Rickson statement is a little drastic though. Everybody has wanted to see him fight some top competition for a while and although Forrest isn't exactly it, it beats fighting in K1 and Jungle Fight.

Forrest will stand with him no doubt and has a good chance to KO him at any point in the fight, more likely scenario is he will be outstruck and the question is whether or not Forrest will take the fight and be able to succeed on the ground. I doubt that he can or will. I'm very happy with the matchmaking here and think that it's a great fight for the division as I said before, time to see what Lyoto's made of, hopefully one of the two can end the fight.


I think Lyoto has got his big chance here. Beat Forrest and know he has a name in the divison. Even if he doesnt win i think it wil lbe a close fight.

The best thing that can happen for this fight is for it to go to a descision. Im sure it will be action packed and when a fighter comes off a close loss its almost a good thing.
What Made Bonnar a bigger star. Lossing to Forrest in one of the best fights ever. Or subbing James Irvin?

A close Descision is sometimes better than a finish. Not to mention if it is super close then Dana can hype up a rematch and make even more $$$$ of off it.
pv3Hpv3p
2/24/07 1:52:01PM
You got that right... Lyoto is finally going to get a chance to fight on the big stage, and while Forrest might not be a top 5 LHW he is a very game fighter and more imortantly he has a huge fanbase with new / casual fans...

The more I think about it, the more I see the real genius behind the TUF shows... Not only are you getting people excited about what's essentially an audition... Not only are you putting on a cool mini-tournament type thing and showing free fights on TV...

They are also building a great platform to showcase fighters that aren't well known, but equally if not more accomplished in the MMA world, against fighters that have built a huge defacto fanbase from being on TV..

Like it or not, they are doing a lot of things right at Zuffa and the UFC
hippysmacker
2/24/07 8:13:53PM
I kinda think Forrest and Machida are in the same boat . Forrest getting Koed was probably not something a lot of people thought would happen. I thought it would go to a decision either way, while giving Jardine the edge based on leg kicks. Whether he deserved it or not Forrest would have probably got a title shot if he won. He needs a win badly to remain relevant in the UFC LHVY picture. Machida's last win against a top fighter in his weight class was against Franklin over 3 years ago, and Ace doesn't even fight at that weight any more. They both need a win badly to even remain a candidate to fight the UFC's top guys IMO.
madmarck
2/24/07 10:03:23PM

Posted by hippysmacker

I kinda think Forrest and Machida are in the same boat . Forrest getting Koed was probably not something a lot of people thought would happen. I thought it would go to a decision either way, while giving Jardine the edge based on leg kicks. Whether he deserved it or not Forrest would have probably got a title shot if he won. He needs a win badly to remain relevant in the UFC LHVY picture. Machida's last win against a top fighter in his weight class was against Franklin over 3 years ago, and Ace doesn't even fight at that weight any more. They both need a win badly to even remain a candidate to fight the UFC's top guys IMO.


If Forrest gets the win he will prob be 1 fight away from a title shot. If Lyoto wins he will develop a huge fanbase like Jardine has done.
Before Forrest fought Jardine everyone said the Big 3 contenders for the belt were Forrest, Rashad, and Quintion. As soon as Forrest lost his name was replaced on that list by everyone with Jardine. If it had gone to a desicison Forrest would have won. Its clear the UFC judges dont value leg kicks very much. (see Jardine vs Bonnar).
But if Lyoto beats Forrest he will be added to the list. And will probably be considered the #1 contender if Chuck Beats Rampage.
IMO if Lyoto Devastes Forrest then there the #1 contender match will be
Rashad Evans vs Ryoto Machida.
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