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MisFiT
6/20/07 9:13:11AM
I was sittin back this mornin really thinkin about the situation with all of the Drugs in MMA these days, and I was wonderin what everyone thought about it, I myself think that Weed shouldn't be tested at all, there's no need for it really. If someone blazes it's their choice and it's their problem, there is no need to fine them and give them a shitty time about it, mainly because it's all natural and it's never hurt anyone in a controlled state. I think Coke and all of that on the other hand is just ****** up and is worth fining. But I don't think that should be tested either. I think the only things that should be tested are performance enhancing supplements. Anabolics of all kinds as they are doing now, just have no idea why they are bein so strict about Weed n shit. It's kinda like testing for Cigs, it would make no sense and it sure as hell is worse than Weed. It's just pretty gay and I don't get it at all. I personally dont do any Drugs whatsoever... Maybe the Commissions are wantin some dough. What does everyone here on MMA Playground think about this shit?!
cowcatcher
6/20/07 9:43:49AM
the fact thats its illegal is enough reason for them to test for it, they dont want a bunch of drug users in any sport and not testing for it would give all the people opposed to mma more fuel for their arguement that mma isnt a sport and is a bunch of thugs beating on each other. if you get a job almost anywhere now you get tested why should mma be any different. an employer wants to know that they can count on their employees and people i know that get high call into work far more often than those that dont. im not ripping smoking weed(ive done my share), im just saying that theres good reason to test for it, and i am much more opposed to fighters taking performance enhancers than recreational drugs.
MMA_Needs_Mayhem
6/20/07 9:45:20AM
The reasoning behind testing for weed is that it dulls the pain. When a fighter breaks a bone or pulls a muscle, a normal fighter would stop the fight, or would tell his corner or the doctor that he feels a weird sensation in whatever part of their body. Also, due to the fact that it dulls the pain, many people believe that it's harder to knock out someone who's high.

Look at the Diaz V/S Gomi fight. Sure Nick Diaz has an incredible chin, but he deflected all of Gomi's power shots as if they were nothing. Also he broke his orbital bone and did not feel a thing. The orbital bone is what supports your eye socket and if you continuously get punched in that spot, it may give permanent eye damage. So doctor's felt that Diaz put his health on the line and the comission felt that he had an unfair advantage without the pain, resulting in the No Contest.

Personally, I don't smoke weed, but I've seen a couple of my friends high as monkeys on cloud nine, and for Diaz to pull a gogoplata off or even standing up for a fight just amazes me. Diaz submitted Gomi with style and that was a clear win in my books. Plus, what happened to Gomi's conditioning? Huffing and Puffing as if he was about to blow the whole stadium down.

Oh well, just my two cents.
MisFiT
6/20/07 9:47:20AM
Except Diaz smoked Weed a few weeks before he fought Gomi. Or afterwards. I forgot which. But I do agree that it being illegal is reason enough for it to be tested, it shouldnt be illegal in the first place though. Cigs are legal, and way more ****** up than Weed ever will be, and are deadly. It really makes no sense.
MMA_Needs_Mayhem
6/20/07 9:54:23AM

Posted by MisFiT

Except Diaz smoked Weed a few weeks before he fought Gomi. Or afterwards. I forgot which. But I do agree that it being illegal is reason enough for it to be tested, it shouldnt be illegal in the first place though. Cigs are legal, and way more ****** up than Weed ever will be, and are deadly. It really makes no sense.



I don't know when he smoked the weed, but it was still in his system and it couldn't have been weeks before. One of the NSAC's doctors Dr. Tony Alamo said he felt Diaz was high during the fight. In my books, I believe Diaz when he says he wasn't high and that means Diaz beat Gomi.
MisFiT
6/20/07 10:02:10AM
Hahaha Maybe it's just cause Gomi wasnt in Japan and couldnt use his Juice. The Commissions are messed. Legalize it already.
blkssncpt
6/20/07 1:25:37PM
well it being illegal is reason enough and maybe cuz it could dull some of the pain but weed would also slow you down and even if Diaz had smoked on the day of the fight would have slowed him slow and i dont think he would do that plus smoke messes would with the cardio and with 10 min first round im sure he didnt want that... just my 2 cents
Mastodon2
6/20/07 1:36:52PM
Its banned because its illegal, and its illegal because its sale is linked to gang violence, murder and organised crime.

A lot of people seem to neglect to note that a huge amount of weed is being grown in the middle east these days, a lot of it is coming from Pakistan and Afghanistan, and its being exported to Europe and the US, and its funding terrorism. Aside from all the social problems that drugs cause and the fact that its bad for your health, the fact that its funding terrorism and organised crime is enough to make me never touch any drug.

As for "not harming the user", that is also completely untrue. Since Cannabis was downgraded to a Class C drug in the UK a few years ago, the number of Cannabis abusers being diagnosed with mental illnesses has increased by 85%. As yet there has been no clinical study of the effects of Cannibis by any credible centres, but the figures speak for themselves. When cannabis became a Class C, it became much more socially acceptable to use it, and then all of a sudden the number of drug related mental illenesses being diagnosed doubles in the few years following the downgrading, its more than just coincidence. Anyone but the most THC addled goons can see that.

Reason enough to ban it in sports competition. Reason enough for it to be illegal.
DJDark41
6/20/07 3:58:01PM

Posted by cowcatcher

the fact thats its illegal is enough reason for them to test for it, they dont want a bunch of drug users in any sport and not testing for it would give all the people opposed to mma more fuel for their arguement that mma isnt a sport and is a bunch of thugs beating on each other. if you get a job almost anywhere now you get tested why should mma be any different. an employer wants to know that they can count on their employees and people i know that get high call into work far more often than those that dont. im not ripping smoking weed(ive done my share), im just saying that theres good reason to test for it, and i am much more opposed to fighters taking performance enhancers than recreational drugs.






Dead on answer. All your questions get answered right there.
pv3Hpv3p
6/20/07 5:20:48PM

Posted by Mastodon2

Its banned because its illegal, and its illegal because its sale is linked to gang violence, murder and organised crime.

A lot of people seem to neglect to note that a huge amount of weed is being grown in the middle east these days, a lot of it is coming from Pakistan and Afghanistan, and its being exported to Europe and the US, and its funding terrorism. Aside from all the social problems that drugs cause and the fact that its bad for your health, the fact that its funding terrorism and organised crime is enough to make me never touch any drug.

As for "not harming the user", that is also completely untrue. Since Cannabis was downgraded to a Class C drug in the UK a few years ago, the number of Cannabis abusers being diagnosed with mental illnesses has increased by 85%. As yet there has been no clinical study of the effects of Cannibis by any credible centres, but the figures speak for themselves.

Reason enough to ban it in sports competition. Reason enough for it to be illegal.



This seems like a tricky percentage... So before the class down grade, cannibus users weren't in as much danger of mental illness? If 1 out of 10 potheads had a mental illness then, 8.5 out of 10 potheads have some sort of mental illness now?

I agree with the first part of your post... Funding terrorism is obviously bad, but stats and %'s really don't mean much when you look into them and see how easily they are manipulated...

If you really want to disect it... The study that generated those numbers could have been taken from a 10 person sample population... There is no direct link between cannibus and mental illness. These numbers could simply be generated by the surveyer asking people previously diagnosed with a mental illness if they've ever smoked pot...

Furthermore, there are no clear cut, distinct parallels between THC and the dulling of pain... As far as I know, THC (the active drug in Marijuana) is considered a psychadelic, much like LSD or psylicybin (sp? ie: magic mushrooms)... If anything, these types of drugs have the adverse effect on the sensory system, intensifying or magnifying sensations.

I agree that since it is illegal, it shouldn't be allowed in the sport... But the NSAC's accusations that Diaz was under the influence during the fight seem a little far fetch, almost to the point of slanderous... There are representatives of the commision in contact with the fighters from the time when they enter the arena until the time they leave... To come forth with a suspicion like that well after the fight, is a little iffy at best. To say that "his eyes looked glazed over after the first round" is completely moronic... He just got popped by one of the hardest hitting 161lbs out there... And to make decisions regarding someones career on a topic that you are unfamiliar and making generalized, unproven assumptions really shows the lack of specialists and knowledgable pros that a politically appointed council has...

Sorry about the super long post... I know no one will actually read it, but I just couldn't stop typing...

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Stickan
6/20/07 6:11:40PM
I don't want any potheads in MMA. That's reason enough for me to agree with testing for it.

Cowcatchers comments are right on though.
Mastodon2
6/20/07 6:53:55PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p



This seems like a tricky percentage... So before the class down grade, cannibus users weren't in as much danger of mental illness? If 1 out of 10 potheads had a mental illness then, 8.5 out of 10 potheads have some sort of mental illness now?


If you really want to disect it... The study that generated those numbers could have been taken from a 10 person sample population... There is no direct link between cannibus and mental illness. These numbers could simply be generated by the surveyer asking people previously diagnosed with a mental illness if they've ever smoked pot...


/END RANT/



I hear what you are saying and I admit that given the circumstances of the statistic we cannot definitively say "The Drug abuse has caused this increase" simply because its not a clinical test, to me, to the news readers and journalists, policticians and MPs its no coincidence. I should note that the specification of the statistic stated that it was the increase in diagnosises in regular abusers of THC. The 85% increase means if say 4 years ago (beofre the declassification of pot) say 100,000 people a year were being diagnosed with Mental illness possibly attributable to THC abuse, then in 2007 185,000 people were being diagnosed with possble THC related mental illness.

The figures state, though unofficially, as someone will always try and blame the increase on something else, that more people are abusing THC in its various forms, and as a result more people are being affected by mental illnesses.
madmarck
6/20/07 8:11:44PM

Posted by cowcatcher

the fact thats its illegal is enough reason for them to test for it, they dont want a bunch of drug users in any sport and not testing for it would give all the people opposed to mma more fuel for their arguement that mma isnt a sport and is a bunch of thugs beating on each other. if you get a job almost anywhere now you get tested why should mma be any different. an employer wants to know that they can count on their employees and people i know that get high call into work far more often than those that dont. im not ripping smoking weed(ive done my share), im just saying that theres good reason to test for it, and i am much more opposed to fighters taking performance enhancers than recreational drugs.



Quite right, Its tested for. Becasue it is a illegal substance. Its illegal therefore the idea is that it should not be used. I am not hating on people who puff. But it is their choice to break the law.

Diaz though. Tested with pretty high levels in his system after the Gomi fight i belive. Which the governing body (i assume) made them think that Diaz was high during the fight and was less suceptible to pain. That would defiintily make it a illegal substance. It was used as a cheat.
IMO Diegos Blaze up a month before his fight is nowhere near has bad going into a Fight High.
mma4life
6/20/07 11:07:44PM
the fact thats its illegal is enough reason for them to test for it, they dont want a bunch of drug users in any sport and not testing for it would give all the people opposed to mma more fuel for their arguement that mma isnt a sport and is a bunch of thugs beating on each other.
crimethinc
6/20/07 11:30:53PM
This topic keeps getting brought up. I've been absent from these forums for a few months now and it was a debate then and apparently still is now. First off I want to say that anyone who thinks marijuana helps a fighter by dulling pain isn't really using common sense. The immediate effects of marijuana can not be elongated enought to really affect a fighter in his fight. It isn't as though you smoke a joint and are invincible for a week. Unless you smoke on the walk to the ring you aren't feeling any effects from the pot you've smoked in the past six months. So no, it isn't a performance enhancing drug. That is pretty much the only argument people can bring up on why fighters shouldn't be tested for marijuana.

What potheads fail to realize is that drug testing is mandatory for all professional athletes as mandated by state law because all professional athletes must be cleared by the state gaming board. Therefore participation in any illegal activities is enough to suspend any professional athlete. No matter how you view it, pot is illegal and therefore is banned not just for athletes, but technically for every citizen of the united states with some very minor exceptions. Any business that has a drug testing policy doesn't pick and choose which drugs are worthy of terminating an employee. At least these athletes only get suspended.
Signal2112
6/21/07 11:22:11AM
A positive aspect of testing fighters for weed is that it promotes a good image of the sport. It shows that the fighters are serious athletes, not drugged up goons fighting in some blood sport.
madmarck
6/21/07 6:41:37PM

Posted by Signal2112

A positive aspect of testing fighters for weed is that it promotes a good image of the sport. It shows that the fighters are serious athletes, not drugged up goons fighting in some blood sport.



True. Not only that but it will discourage fighters from using it. They wont want a big win (like say Takanori Gomi the #1 LW in the world) changed to a loss over something so stupid as taking a puff eariler that day.
KillaMed87
6/21/07 9:55:59PM
its illegal cuz the goverment cant ake money off of it...it was legal for a very long time. As was coke and heroin when the goverment allowed its sale in stores because they could tax it. Once ppl got their hands on it without the government thats when they made it illegal. It does contribute to gang wars and murders i agree completley... but the government cant tax it anymore.

what do you think OCs are? its pretty much heroin or coke, but since they sell it in stores they can tax it. Ppl get just as ****** up and addicted to OCs and Percs as much as coke and Heroin.


Just becuse somone says something is illegal doesnt mean its bad...its just the gov's opinion...that they can enforce with guns and cops



Watch the history chan.
Fanboy 1988
6/21/07 10:12:27PM

Posted by Mastodon2

Its banned because its illegal, and its illegal because its sale is linked to gang violence, murder and organised crime.

A lot of people seem to neglect to note that a huge amount of weed is being grown in the middle east these days, a lot of it is coming from Pakistan and Afghanistan, and its being exported to Europe and the US, and its funding terrorism. Aside from all the social problems that drugs cause and the fact that its bad for your health, the fact that its funding terrorism and organised crime is enough to make me never touch any drug.


Reason enough to ban it in sports competition. Reason enough for it to be illegal.



Lol, the reason why there's gang violence, murder, and organised crime tied to weed is BECAUSE it's illegal.. If you could legally buy it at your local carry out there would'nt be much of a fuss about it, little to no more gang crimes would happen over it .... Weed's legal in amsterdam and from what I know t's not that big of a thing, not much killing going on over it because it's so easy to get ahold of, you don't have to resort to buying it from some gangsta drug dealer...
warglory
6/21/07 10:23:21PM

Posted by KillaMed87

its illegal cuz the goverment cant ake money off of it...it was legal for a very long time. As was coke and heroin when the goverment allowed its sale in stores because they could tax it. Once ppl got their hands on it without the government thats when they made it illegal. It does contribute to gang wars and murders i agree completley... but the government cant tax it anymore.

what do you think OCs are? its pretty much heroin or coke, but since they sell it in stores they can tax it. Ppl get just as ****** up and addicted to OCs and Percs as much as coke and Heroin.


Just becuse somone says something is illegal doesnt mean its bad...its just the gov's opinion...that they can enforce with guns and cops



Watch the history chan.



All drugs have been legal at some point or another. I think its more ignorance from the government than greed when it came to cocaine and other drugs. It used to be in Coca Cola for crying out loud.
warglory
6/21/07 10:30:56PM

Posted by MisFiT

I was sittin back this mornin really thinkin about the situation with all of the Drugs in MMA these days, and I was wonderin what everyone thought about it, I myself think that Weed shouldn't be tested at all, there's no need for it really. If someone blazes it's their choice and it's their problem, there is no need to fine them and give them a shitty time about it, mainly because it's all natural and it's never hurt anyone in a controlled state. I think Coke and all of that on the other hand is just ****** up and is worth fining. But I don't think that should be tested either. I think the only things that should be tested are performance enhancing supplements. Anabolics of all kinds as they are doing now, just have no idea why they are bein so strict about Weed n shit. It's kinda like testing for Cigs, it would make no sense and it sure as hell is worse than Weed. It's just pretty gay and I don't get it at all. I personally dont do any Drugs whatsoever... Maybe the Commissions are wantin some dough. What does everyone here on MMA Playground think about this shit?!



Actually, if you compare the stats of tobacco and marijauana you'll notice that marijuana is worse for you than cigarettes. One study stated that one joint equals 20 cigarettes. But anyway, just clarifying this for you, it really doesn't respond to the legality of it or its legitimacy as a testable drug.

I for one am glad its tested for. As everyone has mentioned, substance abuse (legal or otherwise) reflects poorly on athletes of any sport (especially one that is so new and criticized). A good legal drug comparison is chew in baseball. The only reason why baseball players do that shit is because its tradition, and its nasty as hell to see one of your favorite athletes with a big wad in their lip spitting brown crap everywhere on camera. You are getting paid to entertain the crowd and represent your sport, so act like a professional.
MisFiT
6/22/07 2:36:38AM

Posted by warglory


Posted by MisFiT

I was sittin back this mornin really thinkin about the situation with all of the Drugs in MMA these days, and I was wonderin what everyone thought about it, I myself think that Weed shouldn't be tested at all, there's no need for it really. If someone blazes it's their choice and it's their problem, there is no need to fine them and give them a shitty time about it, mainly because it's all natural and it's never hurt anyone in a controlled state. I think Coke and all of that on the other hand is just ****** up and is worth fining. But I don't think that should be tested either. I think the only things that should be tested are performance enhancing supplements. Anabolics of all kinds as they are doing now, just have no idea why they are bein so strict about Weed n shit. It's kinda like testing for Cigs, it would make no sense and it sure as hell is worse than Weed. It's just pretty gay and I don't get it at all. I personally dont do any Drugs whatsoever... Maybe the Commissions are wantin some dough. What does everyone here on MMA Playground think about this shit?!



Actually, if you compare the stats of tobacco and marijauana you'll notice that marijuana is worse for you than cigarettes. One study stated that one joint equals 20 cigarettes. But anyway, just clarifying this for you, it really doesn't respond to the legality of it or its legitimacy as a testable drug.

I for one am glad its tested for. As everyone has mentioned, substance abuse (legal or otherwise) reflects poorly on athletes of any sport (especially one that is so new and criticized). A good legal drug comparison is chew in baseball. The only reason why baseball players do that shit is because its tradition, and its nasty as hell to see one of your favorite athletes with a big wad in their lip spitting brown crap everywhere on camera. You are getting paid to entertain the crowd and represent your sport, so act like a professional.


You are also very full of shit lol. Weed is way less harmful than Cigs. It depends on what you roll it with.
Mastodon2
6/22/07 12:58:42PM

Posted by Fanboy 1988



Lol, the reason why there's gang violence, murder, and organised crime tied to weed is BECAUSE it's illegal.. If you could legally buy it at your local carry out there would'nt be much of a fuss about it, little to no more gang crimes would happen over it .... Weed's legal in amsterdam and from what I know t's not that big of a thing, not much killing going on over it because it's so easy to get ahold of, you don't have to resort to buying it from some gangsta drug dealer...



You should go to Amsterdam, the streets there are anything but safe and clean, they got too loose and liberal and it bit them on the arse, hard.
MisFiT
6/22/07 1:17:33PM
Exactly. It's simple as just legalizing it and setting an age limit to it like Cigs.
CwB
6/22/07 1:54:33PM
I live in Las Vegas and last year we had a vote on the legalization of weed.
55% voted not to legalize it
45% voted to legalize it

the last time we voted on the legaliztion of weed was five years ago.
70% voted no
30% voted yes

If things keep going the way they are headed in three years Las Vegas will have legal marijuana.

So I wonder what effect that will have on drug testing when the fights come to Las Vegas.

Probably none. But who knows.
MisFiT
6/22/07 1:56:52PM

Posted by CwB

I live in Las Vegas and last year we had a vote on the legalization of weed.
55% voted not to legalize it
45% voted to legalize it

the last time we voted on the legaliztion of weed was five years ago.
70% voted no
30% voted yes

If things keep going the way they are headed in three years Las Vegas will have legal marijuana.

So I wonder what effect that will have on drug testing when the fights come to Las Vegas.

Probably none. But who knows.


Oh shit!
madmarck
6/22/07 6:35:26PM

Posted by CwB

I live in Las Vegas and last year we had a vote on the legalization of weed.
55% voted not to legalize it
45% voted to legalize it

the last time we voted on the legaliztion of weed was five years ago.
70% voted no
30% voted yes

If things keep going the way they are headed in three years Las Vegas will have legal marijuana.

So I wonder what effect that will have on drug testing when the fights come to Las Vegas.

Probably none. But who knows.



But isnt it a Federal Law?
CwB
6/22/07 8:09:03PM
Im sure it is a federal law.
but there are ways around stuff like that i dont know how but there are.

all I know is, last year 55% voted no. now this isnt an exact number but it was for sure in the 50 percent range im to lazy to look it up on the internet.


P.S. i didnt vote i was to high
slapshot
6/23/07 12:26:52AM

Posted by CwB

Im sure it is a federal law.
but there are ways around stuff like that i dont know how but there are.

all I know is, last year 55% voted no. now this isnt an exact number but it was for sure in the 50 percent range im to lazy to look it up on the internet.


P.S. i didnt vote i was to high



Federal supersedes state in every matter of law, whether you can get the state to enforce it or not is a different story but they get there way most times by pulling federal funding.
Fanboy 1988
6/23/07 2:08:44AM

Posted by Mastodon2


Posted by Fanboy 1988



Lol, the reason why there's gang violence, murder, and organised crime tied to weed is BECAUSE it's illegal.. If you could legally buy it at your local carry out there would'nt be much of a fuss about it, little to no more gang crimes would happen over it .... Weed's legal in amsterdam and from what I know t's not that big of a thing, not much killing going on over it because it's so easy to get ahold of, you don't have to resort to buying it from some gangsta drug dealer...



You should go to Amsterdam, the streets there are anything but safe and clean, they got too loose and liberal and it bit them on the arse, hard.



I'm sure there are a few bad parts around the place, But amserdam's not full of street thugs willing to mug someone at any given chance.. Everyplace has it's good and bad parts, but from what I know there are alot less deaths and fuss about weed and most legal drugs there cause it's more accepted and clean.

There are clean places to do drugs with knowledgable people that know if wheather or not you should take anymore, they have many variations of the drugs, for people just getting into the stuff, all the way to long time users..they try to make drug use as safe as possible there...
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