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MMAcca
7/31/08 1:48:14PM
I was watching the fantastic Margarito vs. Cotto fight on Saturday, and all of the talk surrounding Margarito was that nobody wants to fight him. He has an aura around him as a legit tough contender that can damage a money-making reputation. This brought up one name in my head, one fighter in MMA that fits that profile: Lyoto Machida. Lyoto is a fighter that has, in just a short amount of time, made quite a name for himself. Right now, the name is one that high level competition are flat out looking to avoid right now. Lyoto has always had an aura around him, always been met with a certain degree of hype, only to then confuse both fighters and fans.

I remember New Japan Pro Wrestling and Inoki hyping up the debut of the mysterious LYOTO. For those that (luckily) aren’t in the know when it comes to the sordid history of New Japan Pro Wrestling, Antonio Inoki was able to take a company that was incredibly influential to the world of MMA in Japan to a company obsessed with trying to compete with modern MMA, as pro wrestling had been exposed as inferior to MMA. In Inoki’s mind, pro wrestling was just as strong — or stronger — than Mixed Martial Arts. I could write for days on this subject, but instead, I will focus on where LYOTO fits into the picture. Lyoto was Inoki’s hand picked successor to his throne of Japanese fighting star. He was under Inoki’s control, trained where Inoki wanted him to train and only fought on Inoki-approved events.



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Taylor8766
7/31/08 2:00:54PM
I could definetly see why noone wants to fight him, he has a very impressive resume when it comes to opponents he's beaten, Bonnar, BJ, Franklin, Sokojou, Oritz and that's not including the fact that his style of fighting is very awkward for any fighter just ask Tito, who couldn't even get him down.
VictimSix
7/31/08 2:01:30PM
Very good read. Machida will get his day in the sun. Hard to get fights for fighters that make everybody look bad. Alot of fans don't seem to care for him, fighters don't want to fight him. After Lyoto beats Silva hopfully Forrest will have to make a mandatory defense against the already #1 contender.
Darnok
7/31/08 2:21:52PM

Posted by Taylor8766

the fact that his style of fighting is very awkward for any fighter just ask Tito,



Don't forget Elusive
Rabi
7/31/08 2:22:59PM
I agree with victimsix, if he beats Silva he should get to then fight Forest. If thats the case and he wins people will be cuing up to fight him.

Problem solved
Twenty20Dollars
7/31/08 2:52:36PM
well im going to go off what the other fighters have said in the 205 division, they don't want to fight machida because they don't want to fight someone that doesnt come in there to fight. elusive some people call it, but i don't. The top contenders don't want to go to a decision and chase a guy down for 3 rounds. So no wonder no one wants to fight him.
Jason-plata
7/31/08 2:57:31PM
He is an amazing guy, but really who wants to stand in the ring and have him not do anything till you get so pissed that you have to force an attack??
kaduey
7/31/08 3:02:49PM
I really don't agree with comparing Margarito with Machida. That fight with Cotto was amazing, Margarito just kept coming forward and punishing Cotto, even after takiing great shots himself. I have never seen a Machida fight where I was blown away with his skills. I'm not a Machida hater but he needs to step it up in terms of the way he fights.
Wolfenstein
7/31/08 3:12:13PM
I'm a huge Machida supporter, but I think he's only going to get a title shot if he finishes Silva. Then most likely he would fight the winner of a Griffen vs Lidell/Evans winner.

Although if all goes according to plan and Lidell can beat Evan and then Griffen, I don't think the UFC would be reluctant to put Machida against Chuck because they will sell a ton of PPV's with Chucks name and if Lyoto were to beat Chuck it would cement Machida's ability in hardcore fans and casual fans alike.
lordicast
7/31/08 4:01:37PM
Machida will be the greatest of all time because he is a student of Bruce Lee's

"Art of Fighting Without Fighting"
tylerlee123
7/31/08 4:29:22PM
Chuck Liddell will fight any man
Rabi
7/31/08 4:37:09PM

. I have never seen a Machida fight where I was blown away with his skills


What about his demolition of Sokudjou?
saemskin
7/31/08 4:43:05PM
I dont thing Machida can beat Chuck Liddell or Wanderlei Silva and those are the only 2 guys in the LHW division I feel can offer him a 'run' for his money.

I think Liddell would win either by ko or decision. Chuck would definitely keep things standing as he is notorious for. They are both counter strikers, and I think Chuck's reach would come into play in a big way. Tito's arms are seemingly short because his body is so damn wide. I think that is one reason he couldn't land any strikes. Chuck has fast and accurate hands, and Iike I said, his reach will be a factor. Machida does not have the knock-out power to crumble a fighter like Chuck, but he could certainly bloody him up to a tko victory. I really think we would end up seeing a kickboxing match, and the more I talk about it I really would like to see this fight. They have very similar sticking styles the way they hold their hands wide and low, Machida's feet are faster than Chuck, but Chuck has faster hands. It would be very interesteing to see how this would play out. Plus, Chuck really needs to stomp a hole in some asses to get back on top. We all know what he's capable of. He's capable of destroying anyone with his strikes, we know this. But Chuck NEEDS a win over a top level guy like Machida after his losses to Rampage and Jardine and the fact he was unable to put Wanderlei away. Rampage should not have beaten him that darn fast. I think Chuck didn't respect Rampages hands at all and walked right into a ko. Bad game plan. Then the Jardine fight was another bad game plan. Chuck has bombs in his hands and what happens to Jardine when a vicious striker says "**** it" and goes after his ass? Let's ask Houston Alexander and Wandy. I think we all know Chuck has the capability to do the same. Now his fight with Rashad is an expected win but wont bolster his standing in my eyes at least. I dont think Rashas deserves a fighter of this caliber yet. He hasnt proven himself yet so when Chuck whips his ass it wont say that much, and if Chuck goes into this fight with a bad game plan I can see Rashad eeking out a decision over him. Rashad is mostly a wrestler and NO ONE takes Chuck down and keeps him there. No one. So this will be a stand up fight and Rashad has no hope of winning on the feet. I think Chuck should run into his corner and destroy him.

Wanderlei has a good chance of beating Machida because Wandy can beat anyone under the right circumstances. His game plan against Chuck was a stupid one. Boxing with Chuck is a bad idea unless -like Jardine- you have a reach advantage and can hold his countering at bay, and Wandy is a small (in stature, not size) LHW. Wandy should have waded past Chucks striking area and fought that fight in the clinch. His clinch game is deadly, and that's why I think Machida would lost against him. I dont see Machida KO-ing Wandy, he just doesnt have the power. He has the technique to land those ko type of shots but not the ass to put into them, not against a soldier like Wanderlei. Sure Machida has really fast feet and great accuracy, but I think a guy like wanderlei can corner him and work his clinch. That's where Wandy would win this fight.

I think Machida would unquestionably beat any other LHW, but these 2 guys would stop him cold.

What do you think?
Rabi
7/31/08 4:49:17PM
I think if he fought Chuck it would be a very defensive fight. Both guys like to counter strike and that would make for a slow pace fight. I genuinly dont know who would win that fight.

If Silva rushed Machida and put him under pressure then he could force the KO.

Another LHW who could also do this and is better then Wandy IMO is Shogun.
Gipper
7/31/08 5:29:43PM
thiago silva wants to fight him.
The-Don
7/31/08 6:20:14PM

Posted by Rabi

I think if he fought Chuck it would be a very defensive fight. Both guys like to counter strike and that would make for a slow pace fight. I genuinly dont know who would win that fight.

If Silva rushed Machida and put him under pressure then he could force the KO.

Another LHW who could also do this and is better then Wandy IMO is Shogun.



I think the difference between Chuck and Lyoto is lyoto has more precision from what I have seen... I'd hate to say it.. but I'd give this to Lyoto... I think decision


on a side note.. I got to watch the fight with Tito the other night on the replay... and I thought lyoto executed his game plan perfectly... Tito just walked into .. though I did see some noew things from Tito some sub attempts from his back.. I do not recall seeing that before from him..

prozacnation1978
7/31/08 7:07:47PM
machida is a contender, they could try to chase him he just very technical and what ever game plan he has works
Rabi
7/31/08 7:10:33PM
Tito has had good JJ for a long time but in most of his fights he dominates from the top and prefers GnP. In that fight with Machida I was impressed with Machida's wrestling. He had some great take downs.
lomez
7/31/08 8:40:09PM
Just losing is bad enough, losing and looking like you really suck, no wonder nobody wants to fight him.
Rabi
7/31/08 8:57:07PM
LOL
mkiv9secsupra
7/31/08 11:07:47PM
No one wants to fight machida because it doesnt get you anywhere. If you lose then you go down the rankings and if you win you stay at the same spot, so why would anyone want to fight him?
EliasG
7/31/08 11:16:13PM
Fighters get Lyoto. Fans don't.

Most of us who have fought have respect for a style like Lyoto's because it uses all the things in fighting which make fighting complete. He has great defense, great counters, uses distance, and can explode.

But, MMA is entertainment so fans want to SEE something happening. What Lyoto does so well is create distance and then with a very quick half step move back into striking range throws feet often followed by hands, and then uses angles and distance to move away. The "other guy" gets hit and Lyoto does not because after he throws he changes angles and distance and forces the other fighter to react. They have to chase him, but often they just chase him to get hit. Most fighters would love to fight where they could dominate their opponent and possibly KO them without having to get hit. But, fans don't like it cuz it's not rockem sockem enough. And I have to say, that "most" MMA fans are probably the LEAST educated in their sport of ALL fans of ANY sport I've ever seen. they are like the British fans in the UK that booed the Giants for taking a knee at the end of the game. American fans were like, 'that's part of the game, it's what you do when you run out the clock." British fans were "keep playing!!!!" American fans thought the brits were stupid. They were right. Most MMA fans are british "american football fans" they are lost and don't know what they are really watching..they just want action.
EliasG
7/31/08 11:18:35PM
btw, the BJ fight was actually quite close and BJ caught him a few times. I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch if BJ works his way up the weight divisions.


hehe.


BJ for Ltweight champ, Welterweight champ, Middleweight champ, and Lt. Heavyweight champ. then give him too much poi and let him fight Noguiera. :)
saemskin
7/31/08 11:31:50PM

Posted by Rabi
Another LHW who could also do this and is better then Wandy IMO is Shogun.



Hmmm. Is Shogun ever going to come back at 100%?
Watching his terrifically amazing fights in Pride compared to that crap he brought to the Griffen fight, I just dont know what to think about him.

Is his knee ever going to heal?
Can he compete without steroids?

It kills me to know this guy has a contract with the UFC and no one has been able to see the Shogun that we all know and love. I want so much for him to heal and get back in there and kick the ever loving shit out of the LHW division. He has the potential to beat Machida defnintely.
Lucas
8/1/08 5:08:01AM

Posted by EliasG

Fighters get Lyoto. Fans don't.

Most of us who have fought have respect for a style like Lyoto's because it uses all the things in fighting which make fighting complete. He has great defense, great counters, uses distance, and can explode.

But, MMA is entertainment so fans want to SEE something happening. What Lyoto does so well is create distance and then with a very quick half step move back into striking range throws feet often followed by hands, and then uses angles and distance to move away. The "other guy" gets hit and Lyoto does not because after he throws he changes angles and distance and forces the other fighter to react. They have to chase him, but often they just chase him to get hit. Most fighters would love to fight where they could dominate their opponent and possibly KO them without having to get hit. But, fans don't like it cuz it's not rockem sockem enough. And I have to say, that "most" MMA fans are probably the LEAST educated in their sport of ALL fans of ANY sport I've ever seen. they are like the British fans in the UK that booed the Giants for taking a knee at the end of the game. American fans were like, 'that's part of the game, it's what you do when you run out the clock." British fans were "keep playing!!!!" American fans thought the brits were stupid. They were right. Most MMA fans are british "american football fans" they are lost and don't know what they are really watching..they just want action.



I agree British fans who follow American football are stupid anyway if they had any sense they would follow football (soccer)
Rabi
8/1/08 5:35:45AM
I hope that Shogun does get back to his best. A fit and fighting Shogus is awsome.
saemskin
8/1/08 7:19:50AM
I guess we will find out in december. As far as I'm concerned that loss to Mark Coleman wasnt a loss at all. He came down on him arm and broke it and was unable to continue.
Coleman and his corner being the assholes they are commenced to make a ridiculous scuffle over it. Wandy was PISSED.... I wish I spoke their language. Here's to the hope that our beloved Mauricio Rua will come back to us as the monster we know he is.
Rabi
8/1/08 9:20:58AM
Here Here
EliasG
8/1/08 9:45:20AM

Posted by Lucas


Posted by EliasG

Fighters get Lyoto. Fans don't.

Most of us who have fought have respect for a style like Lyoto's because it uses all the things in fighting which make fighting complete. He has great defense, great counters, uses distance, and can explode.

But, MMA is entertainment so fans want to SEE something happening. What Lyoto does so well is create distance and then with a very quick half step move back into striking range throws feet often followed by hands, and then uses angles and distance to move away. The "other guy" gets hit and Lyoto does not because after he throws he changes angles and distance and forces the other fighter to react. They have to chase him, but often they just chase him to get hit. Most fighters would love to fight where they could dominate their opponent and possibly KO them without having to get hit. But, fans don't like it cuz it's not rockem sockem enough. And I have to say, that "most" MMA fans are probably the LEAST educated in their sport of ALL fans of ANY sport I've ever seen. they are like the British fans in the UK that booed the Giants for taking a knee at the end of the game. American fans were like, 'that's part of the game, it's what you do when you run out the clock." British fans were "keep playing!!!!" American fans thought the brits were stupid. They were right. Most MMA fans are british "american football fans" they are lost and don't know what they are really watching..they just want action.



I agree British fans who follow American football are stupid anyway if they had any sense they would follow football (soccer)



haha. True. Funny.
Rabi
8/1/08 10:33:59AM
On another thread it seems that Shogun will be fighting coleman in december at 205.
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