UFC + Kurt Angle = Retarded

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mmadb
2/10/07 10:20:57PM
I've been a Kurt Angle mark since he first debuted in the then WWF in the mid 90's. I'm not proud of it but I've always been a fan of wrestling and still watch today even though it is nothing like what it used to be. I marked out big time when he signed with TNA. I think I've only marked out bigger when GSP demolished Hughes.

Regardless, the guy is a world class athlete, probably still a fantastic wrestler and only wrestles one time a week (if he even wrestles and doesn't just cut a promo). He has tons of time to train MMA and there's no reason why he couldn't become a great MMA fighter.

Wherever he fights if he ever does I will lay down my cash to see it and I'm sure there's at least a million other people who would do the same just to see it. Win or lose. If I was Dana I would have tried to sign him right off the bat but knowing Angle he probably wants top dollar.
brodieros
2/10/07 10:28:04PM
I am actually glad to hear he signed with Showtime to show what he can do, world class wrestler or not he has to prove himself more so than a no name. i guess we will see.

Does anyone know when his first fight is or who he fights?
do you think it will be a well known fighter?
mmadb
2/10/07 10:31:39PM
I wonder if he would fight at HW or LHW, I'm sure he knows all about cutting weight. I wonder what his walk around weight is.
brodieros
2/10/07 10:49:15PM
According to the link below he is 250lbs. he is very thick. I imagine he would be HW i don't see him cutting that much weight and i know he wouldn't want to give up any muscle weight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Angle
JunCTion
2/10/07 10:57:00PM

Posted by shackle

I totally disagree ... how does it make it look like a joke...

It will bring even more fans to a better, and real sport how is that a joke.

It's good for MMA.

Don't forget kurt was also a gold metal wrestler, and thats not fake. He has a chance in MMA if he learns all aspects of the game.

And if he doesn't we get to see a pro wrestler get KTFO



agreed and kurts probably the only wrestler that could seriously consider mma and it will bring a lot more fans. ive always watched wrestling but ever since i got hooked on mma its not as entertaining
aceprone
2/10/07 10:59:04PM
One problem with Kurt Angle coming to mma is that he has soooooooooo many injurys, that I'm sure his body can barely hold up wrestling, more less an mma fight. But then again an mma fight may be safer for him because he wont be jumping from 10 feet in the air to the ground.
mmadb
2/10/07 11:29:14PM
250, ouch, HW it is...in the land of Wrestling he doesn't seem that big.

I think being a pro wrestler you are way more likely to get injured than in MMA but that's debateable.

The true test is to see how he reacts after getting punched in the mouth. For all we know he's the next Eldari Kurtanidze.
Svartorm
2/11/07 3:55:52AM

Posted by mmadb

I think being a pro wrestler you are way more likely to get injured than in MMA but that's debateable.



Not at all debatable. Pro-wrestlers take FAR more punishment than MMA fighters. They fight more often, they have longer matches on average, they have less time to train, and with the extreme angle of getting hit with chairs, and whatnot, theres a lot of things that lead to injuries, especially to the spine and neck. I tried my hand at pro-wrestling in my late teens and early twenties, and got more hurt in that than in fighting NHB. I've torn cartilage in both my knees from taking falls, I ended up with a herniated disk in my back down the road from taking falls, my neck is ruined from suplexes, DDTs, snapmares, etc, and thats only the major shit.

As for Kurt and MMA, hes not going to do well, no matter how good his wrestling is. There have been a good chunk of Olympic wrestlers, and all told, their experiences have been pretty sad. Mark Coleman dominated the sport early on but once the competition learned how to avoid takedowns, he started to fade. Mark Schultz fought early on, beat Gary Goodridge via cut, attempted a comeback and lost. Kevin Jackson was 4-2 with his only notable win being Frykland in his second fight. Randy Couture, Dan Henderson and Matt Lindland have all done well for themselves, but had rough starts against decent submission guys. Gardner has one lackluster fight.

Kurt might be a great wrestler, and could have done well at the beginning, but its much too late in the sports evolution to be coming in as a pure wrestler. One fight against someone with TD defense or decent subs from the bottom and he'll be destroyed.
mrsumo
2/11/07 4:32:11AM
Well, the proof will be in the pudding, as they say. Angle does have the mechanics to be an accomplished MMA fighter. It isn't really fair to base judgement strictly on his history as wrestler, real or wwe. I heard someone mention Coleman and how his wrestling gets blocked in Pride. But other wrestlers turned fighters have had good success. Coture, Ortiz, Hughes, and so on. From what little the articles have mentioned it does look like he is training other areas of his game. I am sure we wont get to see him powerbomb anybody, but I bet he can work to a clinch and suplex a guy. Plus if he is still up on his greco/ freestyle training he probably wont be that easy to take down. Yea we need to see how he takes the strikes. But something tells me he wont have a glass jaw. I am also willing to bet he probably has some good power behind those meat hooks. I am not saying he is the next contender, yet. But depending on who they throw at him his first few matches, he might have a noteworthy career. Maybe he can bring something we've never seen before. I want to see someone win by submission via camel clutch!
Svartorm
2/11/07 4:50:15AM
Thing is, with Danas dislike of pro-wrestling, if hes signed hes more than likely going to be thrown under the bus. They'll probably give him to Randy first if he loses to Sylvia.
mrsumo
2/11/07 4:52:56AM
That would be a great match. I think they wrestled against eachother before.
Snacks
2/11/07 4:56:28AM
I really hope the responses in this thread are a joke.
mrsumo
2/11/07 4:59:14AM

Posted by Snacks

I really hope the responses in this thread are a joke.



Oh, and what would be your expert opinion?
Snacks
2/11/07 5:04:44AM

Posted by mrsumo


Posted by Snacks

I really hope the responses in this thread are a joke.



Oh, and what would be your expert opinion?



Considering he's admitted that he needs Pain killers to just get through the day, the chances of him making any kind of impact in the MMA world is slim to none, even with the relative weakness of the heavyweight category. To think that people who watch MMA on a regular basis even consider Kurt Angle as viable prospect is quite laughable.
mrsumo
2/11/07 5:11:51AM
Much better response. But how many fighters in UFC and Pride do you think don't use drugs on a daily basis? It is common in nearly any sport.
Snacks
2/11/07 5:16:36AM

Posted by mrsumo

Much better response. But how many fighters in UFC and Pride do you think don't use drugs on a daily basis? It is common in nearly any sport.



When it gets to the point that you're getting fired from your job due to your need to use painkillers, it's a problem. And as others have previously mentioned, he has numerous injuries.

BTW, that was quite condescending.
Svartorm
2/11/07 5:18:45AM

Posted by Snacks


Posted by mrsumo


Posted by Snacks

I really hope the responses in this thread are a joke.



Oh, and what would be your expert opinion?



Considering he's admitted that he needs Pain killers to just get through the day, the chances of him making any kind of impact in the MMA world is slim to none, even with the relative weakness of the heavyweight category. To think that people who watch MMA on a regular basis even consider Kurt Angle as viable prospect is quite laughable.



From what I read, his reason for that was because he was worked to death in wrestling and not allowed to rest long enough to heal injuries. Triple H actually trains at the same gym I do in New Hampshire, and his character had to be brutalized on WWE before he could get some time off. Its always kind of funny when you see WWE and hes hit in the face with a sledgehammer or something, and the next day hes doing pull-ups at the gym.
Snacks
2/11/07 5:22:50AM

Posted by Svartorm


Posted by Snacks


Posted by mrsumo


Posted by Snacks

I really hope the responses in this thread are a joke.



Oh, and what would be your expert opinion?



Considering he's admitted that he needs Pain killers to just get through the day, the chances of him making any kind of impact in the MMA world is slim to none, even with the relative weakness of the heavyweight category. To think that people who watch MMA on a regular basis even consider Kurt Angle as viable prospect is quite laughable.



From what I read, his reason for that was because he was worked to death in wrestling and not allowed to rest long enough to heal injuries. Triple H actually trains at the same gym I do in New Hampshire, and his character had to be brutalized on WWE before he could get some time off. Its always kind of funny when you see WWE and hes hit in the face with a sledgehammer or something, and the next day hes doing pull-ups at the gym.



I admit the workrate for an Pro-Wrestling Organization is FAR great than a MMA organization but he would still have to deal with pains and such not to mention with his late entry into the game, his training would probably have to be intensified for him to really get anywhere, yet again leading to a problem of him possibly being over-worked.
mrsumo
2/11/07 5:23:01AM

Posted by Snacks



BTW, that was quite condescending.



Any more than " I hope the responses in this thread are a joke?"

And I wasn't intending to condescend, I was merely looking for a more interesting debate to pass the time here at work.

Now, he wasn't fired for needing to use painkillers, he was fired for wanting to take time off to go to rehab. From what I have heard, most promoters don't care what ailments you have as long as you can perform.
Snacks
2/11/07 5:24:18AM

Posted by mrsumo


Posted by Snacks



BTW, that was quite condescending.



Any more than " I hope the responses in this thread are a joke?"

And I wasn't intending to condescend, I was merely looking for a more interesting debate to pass the time here at work.

Now, he wasn't fired for needing to use painkillers, he was fired for wanting to take time off to go to rehab. From what I have heard, most promoters don't care what ailments you have as long as you can perform.



His want to go to rehab apparently must not have been that great, as he's still wrestling with TNA, I believe. However, as with everything there's more than 1 side to a story.
mrsumo
2/11/07 5:25:46AM
True, according to the Real Fighter interview from last month, this whole chain of events happened over the last several years. He did go to rehab and take time off from wrestling. And now his TNA contract allows him whatever time he needs to take off.
Snacks
2/11/07 5:30:52AM

Posted by mrsumo

True, according to the Real Fighter interview from last month, this whole chain of events happened over the last several years. He did go to rehab and take time off from wrestling. And now his TNA contract allows him whatever time he needs to take off.



Rehab for his pains, or for his painkiller addiction? And I don't think he's taken time off from TNA, has he?
mrsumo
2/11/07 5:35:39AM
This was between WWE and TNA
Snacks
2/11/07 5:40:42AM

Posted by mrsumo

This was between WWE and TNA



Wasn't that only like ... 2-3 months? And with the list of injuries he's had.... that doesn't seem like a necessary amount of time to recovery.
Svartorm
2/11/07 5:41:02AM

Posted by mrsumo

And I wasn't intending to condescend, I was merely looking for a more interesting debate to pass the time here at work.



Dude, I'm telling you, AdventureQuest is a pretty sweet game. If you travel to the Rip in the Sky, and go through the boiler room, a cyborg dragon with one arm gives you a plunger to fight people with. I can't make things like that up.
mrsumo
2/11/07 5:42:30AM
I will have to play vicariously through you.
Snacks
2/11/07 5:52:39AM

Posted by Svartorm


Posted by mrsumo

And I wasn't intending to condescend, I was merely looking for a more interesting debate to pass the time here at work.



Dude, I'm telling you, AdventureQuest is a pretty sweet game. If you travel to the Rip in the Sky, and go through the boiler room, a cyborg dragon with one arm gives you a plunger to fight people with. I can't make things like that up.



....I wonder why that thing is even advertised here.
mrsumo
2/11/07 5:54:11AM
To show there are other sponsors than the gay jewelers.
Snacks
2/11/07 5:56:43AM

Posted by mrsumo

To show there are other sponsors than the gay jewelers.



*Kay
mrsumo
2/11/07 6:00:54AM
You havn't noticed that ad yet? it's been on for a while now.
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