UFC + Kurt Angle = Retarded

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brodieros
2/10/07 12:10:20PM
It is rumored Kurt has been talking to Elite after Dana White showed no interest in him due to his continuing wrestling career. Now Dana is interested in Kurt because Elite is considering him. In my humble opinion Kurt coming to UFC makes UFC look like a joke in professional sports, even more so than Shamrock going to wrestling. what do you think?
shackle
2/10/07 12:14:20PM
I totally disagree ... how does it make it look like a joke...

It will bring even more fans to a better, and real sport how is that a joke.

It's good for MMA.

Don't forget kurt was also a gold metal wrestler, and thats not fake. He has a chance in MMA if he learns all aspects of the game.

And if he doesn't we get to see a pro wrestler get KTFO
jay98107
2/10/07 12:38:08PM
Well, if Angle stops wrestling, hes a decent sign because of his incredible wrestling background, but I doubt that Dana is gonna wanna give him a massive contract when hes never had an MMA fight before, and im sure Kurt wants a huge contract.
cowcatcher
2/10/07 12:42:27PM
actually Dana tried to sign Kurt and in an interview on UFC.com Dana said Kurt decided on going to TNA wrestling, I'd like to see the source on the elite speculation, and also the guy is a gold medal wrestler, did Rulon look like a joke in his first pride match????
brodieros
2/10/07 12:45:03PM
I will agree that wrestler are amazing athletes, however better fans, no sir. All the acrobatics and drama isn't in UFC nor and reputable sports. When Kurt angle gets KO 45 seconds in the first round and doesn't get back up and make an amazing come back the "better fans" will boo. Other wrestlers not jumping into the Octagon will also disappoint them.
I would watch him in elite or pride because they will do anything for ratings so its kind of a side show interest.
brodieros
2/10/07 12:51:23PM
The Elite information on Kurt came from Sherdog and Subfighter.

--"Kurt Angle, an Olympic Gold Medalist Wrestler in 1996, reiterated his intentions to compete in mixed martial arts during an appearance tonight on Scott Ferrall, a sports radio talk show on Sirius Satellite Radio.

Angle told Ferrall that he is currently in negotiations with both EliteXC and UFC. Angle said UFC President Dana White initially did not want to sign him because of his involvement with pro wrestling. But upon hearing Angle was in negotiations with EliteXC, White changed his mind and decided to pursue Angle.

Angle stated he would like to fight three times before he turns forty years old."--
roadking95th
2/10/07 12:51:52PM
Angle would not be a joke. The guy has serious-serious wrestling skills. The best the UFC has ever seen. It is just a matter IF he can find a stand-up game. His age also could be a factor, I believe he is 34? So, that doesn't leave him many years to get better. Wrestlers peak, at least in Greco and Freestyle, between the ages of 29-32, so he is not that far removed from what would have been his peak had he remained in Olympic competition. Look how long Couture held on. I think wrestlers have an advantage in the age department.

Remember, he is not a Pro-Wrestler coming to MMA, he is an Elite Olympic Wrestler, who has done pro-wrestling, now coming to MMA.
richieb19
2/10/07 12:59:43PM
How so? Kurt Angle is an olympic gold medalist in wrestling, and there is nothing fake about that, he apperantly doesn't use steroids and is in fantastic shape. With the right training in submissions and a good striking coach, Kurt Angle could really mess some people up.

And I don't funnly understand how Shamrock going to the WWF was a joke to professional sports, he wasn't making enough money to live on fighting in the UFC at the time, and he had an entire stable of fighters to pay for.
brodieros
2/10/07 1:00:03PM
I would agree hat he is an awesome wrestler, but as stated he will have to find a stand up game and deal with being on his back, being a one dementional fighter trying to learn new things at his age won't get him far in the "Big Show" "The Super Bowl" that is UFC. However Elite or Dana's WEC experiment he could do very well.

or better yet give him Brandon Vera to finish his contract and send the unappreciative Brandon on his way.
cowcatcher
2/10/07 1:06:13PM

Posted by brodieros

The Elite information on Kurt came from Sherdog and Subfighter.

--"Kurt Angle, an Olympic Gold Medalist Wrestler in 1996, reiterated his intentions to compete in mixed martial arts during an appearance tonight on Scott Ferrall, a sports radio talk show on Sirius Satellite Radio.

Angle told Ferrall that he is currently in negotiations with both EliteXC and UFC. Angle said UFC President Dana White initially did not want to sign him because of his involvement with pro wrestling. But upon hearing Angle was in negotiations with EliteXC, White changed his mind and decided to pursue Angle.

Angle stated he would like to fight three times before he turns forty years old."--



thanks for that
brodieros
2/10/07 1:10:04PM
Being a gold medalist in wrestling doesn't automatically make you a UFC champ.

Shamrock come on money doesn't make his rep. a positive one. Everyone said he couldn't come back from wrestling and be a force in the MMA world. he won a few fights in pride but nothing to brag about and in the big leagues of UFC 1 win and 4 is truly a joke and the single come back win in the UFC was to KIMO

Maybe if he did well in WEC he might deserve a UFN Headline on spike, but he has stated he wants 3 fights before 40 years old, not an ambitious plan.
hypocalking
2/10/07 1:11:23PM

Posted by brodieros

It is rumored Kurt has been talking to Elite after Dana White showed no interest in him due to his continuing wrestling career. Now Dana is interested in Kurt because Elite is considering him. In my humble opinion Kurt coming to UFC makes UFC look like a joke in professional sports, even more so than Shamrock going to wrestling. what do you think?



I prettty sure Angle already said he signed with Showtime on Bubba The Love Sponge.

Btw Kurt is bad ass he won the gold metal with a broken neck.
brodieros
2/10/07 1:15:55PM
Well that's a good thing and i truly hope he does well on Showtime, and i never questioned his wrestling, but again that doesn't mean he has a stand up game. As a heavy weight that truly is a must with Arlovski and Cro Cop to deal with.

Do you know when his first fight in Showtime is?
richieb19
2/10/07 1:19:59PM
I never said that he would become a UFC champion, I said he would do well...

and if you really wanna get on Shamrock's case, then you really should know the facts...

He left for the WWF for money to support himself, his family, and most importantly the Lion's Den, where all the fighters got free training, room and board...

His return to MMA after his WWF stint doesnt compare to his former UFC and Pancrase glory I agree, but was very impressive none the less. If you look at the record on paper, a 3-8 record may not impress you much, but if you actually take the time to watch those fights, you would realize that whats written on paper has a whole other story behind it. In his post 2000 career, Ken mopped the floor with Fujita and only lost because of severe exhaustion and heart palpatations braught on by 7 days notice/training for the fight. He went to war with Don Frye and lost a split decision, one which many people still believe should have gone to Ken, and to be honest that fight should have been stopped in the first round for Don's safety, and on a side note that fight was awarded as fight of the year for Pride. He also walked thru Otsuka and Adkins, whos records arent super impressive, but don't be fooled, they are tough fighters. His KO knee victory over Kimo was the highlight of Ultimate Knockouts 3. The stoppages from Saku and Tito 2 are bs, and shouldnt be concidered lossed by any means. So to be honest the only people Ken really lost to after 2000 was Rich Franklin (alot of people see this fight as a work, I won't comment) and Tito Ortiz 2X.
brodieros
2/10/07 1:26:34PM
I don't find his going to WWF bad because family support comes 1st, but 1 maybe 2 losses after the come back i can understand, but paper or not he didn't make a come back. The Tito fights all belong to Tito because stopped early or not he would have lost. I completely get what your saying and really respect your view.
richieb19
2/10/07 1:30:20PM
I agree, but the fact remains that if Tito would have trully beaten Shamrock at UFC 61, there would have been no need for a rubber match at UFN 7... as far as him making a comeback, I can see what you mean, it wasnt the same Shamrock who was the first King of Pancrase and first UFC champion, who demolished his competition, but it was a still a decent comeback which allowed for alot of great fights...
brodieros
2/10/07 1:34:30PM
I think the 3rd Tito and Ken fight wasn't a bad thing because ken has another payday for the fam and Tito gave him the respect he deserved for helping UFC become the Mega sport it is today.
richieb19
2/10/07 1:38:09PM
I don't think Ken needed another payday at this point, hes been one of the highest paid MMA fighters for the longest time now... and again, if that 2nd fight wouldnt have been stopped, they could have had their words after it just the same I'm sure... and as far as Tito being respectful, did you not see him to the gravedigger act, flip the birds and wear a ken t-shirt after the fight?
brodieros
2/10/07 1:41:15PM
but he did give him props when he anounced retirement.

Do you think he will try a come back like randy is?
cowcatcher
2/10/07 1:43:31PM
having watched UFC from the get go it was great having Ken come back just to see how he would fare against the new breed of fighters that went with a well rounded approach to fighting. I thought he represented the "old school" very well considering he was older than most guys and didn't have the BJJ background that is now like taking math in high school, totally required. It's hard to let go for guys like Ken who lived and breathed MMA for so many years and who in the hell is anyone to say he shouldn't have come back when this sport is the man's life.
Looks like this topic got hijacked.
brodieros
2/10/07 1:46:36PM
I think or hopw everyone can agree Elite on Showtime isn't a bad idea for Kurt
richieb19
2/10/07 1:55:00PM

Posted by brodieros

but he did give him props when he anounced retirement.

Do you think he will try a come back like randy is?

He already hinted to it, but it won't be in the UFC I wouldnt think... most likely an IFL superfight against another coach...
shackle
2/10/07 1:56:30PM
Dude your digging yourself in a deeper hole.

How could he not handle the pitbull or cro crop? He is a wrester he would be focused on taking them down not striking with them DUH! I'm not saying he would beat them, but I really dout he is gonna try to strike with them.

If all you care about is stand up game then watch boxing. Big Slam KO's are pretty exciting too.


Posted by brodieros

Well that's a good thing and i truly hope he does well on Showtime, and i never questioned his wrestling, but again that doesn't mean he has a stand up game. As a heavy weight that truly is a must with Arlovski and Cro Cop to deal with.

Do you know when his first fight in Showtime is?

brodieros
2/10/07 1:58:59PM
Cro cop and Arlovski have ground games. he might put up a fight but not win 10 out of 10 times. it would take alot of winning before either would even look in his direction.
brodieros
2/10/07 2:01:32PM
I am a bigger JJ fan that stand up, but strikes and elbows on the ground can throw a game plan out the window of the wrestler head.
cowcatcher
2/10/07 2:05:09PM
angle wouldn't even be thinking about this unless he had plenty of stand up training and his coaches felt confident enough in his ability to throw him in there, he has too much to risk, like a stellar wrestling career, to try to chase a pipe dream.
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loller90278
2/10/07 7:07:35PM
hope kurt angle doesn't act like eldari kurtanidze..

well then again ufc wouldnt throw kurt in with somebody like fujita
madmarck
2/10/07 7:09:27PM

Posted by shackle

I totally disagree ... how does it make it look like a joke...

It will bring even more fans to a better, and real sport how is that a joke.

It's good for MMA.

Don't forget kurt was also a gold metal wrestler, and thats not fake. He has a chance in MMA if he learns all aspects of the game.

And if he doesn't we get to see a pro wrestler get KTFO


Pro Wrestlers havent had a great history in MMA, Except Barnett and Saku. But Kurt does have a Huge Amateur backround. I cant see him havin muhc sub or striking skils though. So he might just be a smaller, higher paid Bob Sapp.
jocksmall
2/10/07 7:26:23PM
i disagree as well if he wants to fight he has earned at least one fight to show if he can compete in mma. if he wins then your statement will look retarded, he would be a huge draw if he can compete
Trapt1nw0nder
2/10/07 7:48:59PM
Kurt Angle might be a joke if you're a WWE/TNA fan...but if you look past that Kurt Angle is a serious athlete who did really earned a gold medal in the olympics for real wrestling.....as long as he dont bring his same "fake" WWE personality with him it will all be ok,so stupid WWE fans dont come to the fight and start chanting "you suck" when he enters the cage

i would like to see slug
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