UFC fantasy LHW tournament

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pv3Hpv3p
2/23/07 1:40:42PM
I don't think that I'm alone in saying that I love MMA tournaments, it's one thing that I think Pride has that the UFC can't touch...

So what I did was picked out 16 LHW fighters, did a really quick ranking and set up the two brackets in a standard 1 fights 16, 2 fights 15, etc format, and when I actually looked at the fights, I kind of surprised myself...

There is one rematch, and it's far from perfect, but it's a start, and I think it should be done...

One thing, I didn't include Chuck in the tournament, once I was finished I wasn't sure why, so let's just call it a #1 contender tourny or something...

1. Tito
2. Babalu
3. Rampage
4. Rashad
5. Machida
6. Bisbing
7. Jardine
8. Forrest
9. Lambert
10. Vitor
11. Matt Hamil
12. Bonnar
13. Hoger
14. James Irvin
15. David Heath
16. Van Arsdale

BRACKET 1:

Tito / Van Arsdale
Rampage / Irvin
Machida / Bonnar
Jardine / Vitor

Bracket 2:

Babalu / David Heath
Rashad / Hoger
Bisbing / Hamil
Forest / Lambert

Whadayall think?

Comments / suggestions /

Joe Silva's home phone number??
nate22
2/23/07 1:58:54PM
Great thread, but it's a thread for the lounge.

My opinion, UFC should hold tournys in the UK.
pv3Hpv3p
2/23/07 2:03:25PM

Posted by nate22

Great thread, but it's a thread for the lounge.

Ya, I was kind of thinking so myself, I just thought that more people would take a look at it in this forum... I figure you guys will put it wherever it needs to be in the end...

My opinion, UFC should hold tournys in the UK.



I know that Dana said he would not change the rules, but I think this could be an exeption and the UK would be perfect for it...
pv3Hpv3p
2/23/07 4:27:46PM
No love for the fantasy tournament?????
Bountytaker
2/23/07 4:52:10PM
A tourney would be an interesting idea....LH and Lightweights in UFC are ripe for one, with plenty of good matchups possible.

As for your fantasy version, here are some of my opinions:

1) You've got Babalu too high...he had his shot against chuck, and didn't show us much. He should drop.

2) I'm still not convinced that Rashad Evans is the 4th best contender yet, although he is moving up on my list....but then again, there aren't many on the list, so....Still, right now, I think Forrest could take Evans, so i'd have him as the higher seed.

3) Rampage should be the #1 contender in reality.....so he should get the 1 seed.

4) Love the potential of a Bisbing/Hamil fight...

5) I'd flip Hogar and Bonnar...I think they are going in opposite directions. A Machida/Hogar fight might be more fun.

6) Jardine/Vitor could be THE fight of your tourney...I think it'd be a WAR.

7) Some good matches overall, but some sleepers too...although you've got a heck of a second round brewing....nicely done

That's about all I've got...
pv3Hpv3p
2/23/07 5:26:47PM

Posted by Bountytaker

A tourney would be an interesting idea....LH and Lightweights in UFC are ripe for one, with plenty of good matchups possible.

As for your fantasy version, here are some of my opinions:

1) You've got Babalu too high...he had his shot against chuck, and didn't show us much. He should drop.

2) I'm still not convinced that Rashad Evans is the 4th best contender yet, although he is moving up on my list....but then again, there aren't many on the list, so....Still, right now, I think Forrest could take Evans, so i'd have him as the higher seed.

3) Rampage should be the #1 contender in reality.....so he should get the 1 seed.

4) Love the potential of a Bisbing/Hamil fight...

5) I'd flip Hogar and Bonnar...I think they are going in opposite directions. A Machida/Hogar fight might be more fun.

6) Jardine/Vitor could be THE fight of your tourney...I think it'd be a WAR.

7) Some good matches overall, but some sleepers too...although you've got a heck of a second round brewing....nicely done

That's about all I've got...



It's hard to get the rankings right... I really wanted to look at a tournament set up, so I kind of just threw the rankings together quickly... It's rankings, so it'll always be arguable

I wasn't really sure what to do with Babalu and Tito, I contemplated leaving them off because noone wants to see either of them vs Chuck III, but I had to add them in...

I would be interested in Tito / Van Aresdale... I just rewatched Mike's fight with Randy and that guy is a monster when it comes to wrestling... (then Randy caught him in that picture-perfect gator roll, great fight)

I still haven't seen Ryoto / Hoger I (heard it was a great fight though), and it seems a little early for a rematch... And IMO, it would be interesting to see how Stephan would fair now that he is more experienced...

I was hoping to see Bisbing / Hamil on TUF, and it was funny that it ended up that way, but I think that would be a great contrast of styles...

I had to add Vitor in there and when he got stuck next to Jardine... Fireworks...

Thanks for the reply, though

good points all around

It'd be great to see the UFC start utilizing tourny's again...
ac_gi
2/23/07 5:38:38PM
I think its a good thing you left Chuck out.

The winners from your brackets would be...
BRACKET 1:

Tito
Irvin (Rampage just isn't the same)
Bonnar
Jardine

Bracket 2:

Babalu
Rashad
Bisbing
Forest / Lambert = This would be a hell of a fight. I just don't know... I'll go with Forest.

Next matchup...
Tito v Forsest
Irvin v Bisping
Bonnar v Rashad
Jardine v Babalu

Winners...
Tito
Irvin
Rashad
Jardine

Next matchup...
Tito v Jardine
Rashad v Irvin

Winners...
Jardine and Irvin

Champion... Jardine.

Punishment
2/23/07 7:46:52PM
Bonnar took care of Irvin within 2 mins and you got him beating Rampage/Rashad & Bisping ? WoW


Finals: Rampage Vs. Tito.... but too bad they'd NEVER fight
hippysmacker
2/23/07 8:02:49PM
If Chuck died today ,and the UFC decided to hold a tournament with these 16 fighter's ,this is how I think it would go down.. Let me premise this by saying If this happened the UFC would not do a tournament. I don't like one-night tornaments. Injury and who you fought in your earlier matches have as much to with the winner as anyhting. I would like it to where the best fighter's win on that night, luckily this is fanntas yland. I will make this a tournament where the fighter's fight every 2 months and since we are in fantasy land everyone is 100% healthy for each fight.
DISCLAIMER:::: I think if this tournament happened in a year or the final would be Rashad vs Bisping, I'll tell you who I think would win then


Bracket 1

Tito over Van Arsdale
Rampage over Irvin
Machida over Bonnar
Jardine over Vitor

Bracket 2

Babalu over Heath
Rashad over Hoger
Bisping over Hammil
Forest over Lambert

Quarterfinals

Tito over Rampage
Jardine over Machida
Babalu over Rashad
Forest over Bisping

Semifinals

Jardine over Tito
Babalu over Forest

Final
Babalu over Jardine

I rank Babalu #5 at LHVY and think he would have given Chuck a good fight if he didn't have a crazy game plan in their second fight. I think Wandy ruined Rampage, and while I hope he returns even better than he was before, I won't beleive it till I see him beat a top LHVY again. This even more subjective , opinion based than P4P rankings to me. Also, the brackets were already set up, so that goes along way in determining each person's opinion on the outcome. Style's make fight's a lot of the time.It's all just in good fun though.

P.S. I think if Chuck fought any of these 16 guys right now he would KO them
hippysmacker
2/23/07 8:04:55PM

Posted by Punishment

Bonnar took care of Irvin within 2 mins and you got him beating Rampage/Rashad & Bisping ? WoW


Finals: Rampage Vs. Tito.... but too bad they'd NEVER fight



You know snacks had a good point IMO when said Rampage and Tito would fight their own mother's for enough money Anyway, thye have both said they would fight eachother , but that it would have to be for a big raise
RichBoy
2/23/07 8:52:05PM
I thought Van Arsdale retired ?
nate22
2/23/07 9:49:39PM
I'm not playing this game because you all think Jardine has a chance at making the final and this upsets me deeply.

Love you guys, but never that!! lol.
Punishment
2/23/07 9:54:07PM

Posted by hippysmacker


Posted by Punishment

Bonnar took care of Irvin within 2 mins and you got him beating Rampage/Rashad & Bisping ? WoW


Finals: Rampage Vs. Tito.... but too bad they'd NEVER fight



You know snacks had a good point IMO when said Rampage and Tito would fight their own mother's for enough money Anyway, thye have both said they would fight eachother , but that it would have to be for a big raise



not to be a dick or anything , but do you or 'snacks' have a SOURCE or interview where they have both said this ? Cus i dont believe it, I have heard both men say they wouldnt fight each other time & time again (rampage most recently)
hippysmacker
2/23/07 10:51:25PM

Posted by Punishment


Posted by hippysmacker


Posted by Punishment

Bonnar took care of Irvin within 2 mins and you got him beating Rampage/Rashad & Bisping ? WoW


Finals: Rampage Vs. Tito.... but too bad they'd NEVER fight



You know snacks had a good point IMO when said Rampage and Tito would fight their own mother's for enough money Anyway, thye have both said they would fight eachother , but that it would have to be for a big raise



not to be a dick or anything , but do you or 'snacks' have a SOURCE or interview where they have both said this ? Cus i dont believe it, I have heard both men say they wouldnt fight each other time & time again (rampage most recently)



As for Snacks, I think it was a joke. In my case I understand and take no offense if you don't beleive me. .I can't rememeber where I heard the interviews , but they were in the last 6 months. I remember when Tito said it, because it was eerily similiar to his comments about a possible Chuck fight the first time. Something along the lines of , I don't want to fight a friend unless I'm getting a heck of a lot more money. Rampage said something along the same lines. They were both audio interviews I heard. That's all I remember. Sorry
Ydoc
2/23/07 11:53:11PM
I remember Rampage saying it, but I'm sure Tito would deny it to his grave trying to avoid that fight.
JunCTion
2/24/07 12:06:23AM
One thing, I didn't include Chuck in the tournament, once I was finished I wasn't sure why, so let's just call it a #1 contender tourny or something...

1. Tito
2. Babalu
3. Rampage
4. Rashad
5. Machida
6. Bisbing
7. Jardine
8. Forrest
9. Lambert
10. Vitor
11. Matt Hamil
12. Bonnar
13. Hoger
14. James Irvin
15. David Heath
16. Van Arsdale

BRACKET 1:

Tito / Van Arsdale
Rampage / Irvin
Machida / Bonnar
Jardine / Vitor

Bracket 2:

Babalu / David Heath
Rashad / Hoger
Bisbing / Hamil
Forest / Lambert

Whadayall think?

Comments / suggestions /



Posted by Bountytaker

A tourney would be an interesting idea....LH and Lightweights in UFC are ripe for one, with plenty of good matchups possible.

As for your fantasy version, here are some of my opinions:

1) You've got Babalu too high...he had his shot against chuck, and didn't show us much. He should drop.

2) I'm still not convinced that Rashad Evans is the 4th best contender yet, although he is moving up on my list....but then again, there aren't many on the list, so....Still, right now, I think Forrest could take Evans, so i'd have him as the higher seed.

3) Rampage should be the #1 contender in reality.....so he should get the 1 seed.

4) Love the potential of a Bisbing/Hamil fight...

5) I'd flip Hogar and Bonnar...I think they are going in opposite directions. A Machida/Hogar fight might be more fun.

6) Jardine/Vitor could be THE fight of your tourney...I think it'd be a WAR.

7) Some good matches overall, but some sleepers too...although you've got a heck of a second round brewing....nicely done

That's about all I've got...



if youre using the ncaa bracket system for the tournament
before you seed them you could use the ranking system also when it comes to losses.
if a top 5 guy has a loss in his last 2 ppvs he drops 2 spots,
if a 6 - 10 guy has a loss in his last 2 ppvs he drops 3 spots,
if an 11 - 16 guy has a loss in his last 2 ppvs he drops 4 spots.

with this method you could have fast rising new fighter (cinderalla) make it into the tournament with a couple of good wins in his last 2 ppvs

also the cheater bonnar (the schoolthat has the brainiac students do their homework) gets kicked out of the tourny no matter what the record
hippysmacker
2/24/07 12:35:47AM
Machida just fought Hoger and destroyed him for 3 rounds.
ac_gi
2/24/07 7:57:10AM

Posted by Punishment

Bonnar took care of Irvin within 2 mins and you got him beating Rampage/Rashad & Bisping ? WoW


Finals: Rampage Vs. Tito.... but too bad they'd NEVER fight



Anybody can pick the favorites... I wanted a good story line.

I think Irvin has the potential to be a great LH. He has great athletic ability, sometimes he looks great (Martin), and sometimes he's not so great (Kimura by Bonnar).
ac_gi
2/24/07 7:59:17AM

Posted by ac_gi


Posted by Punishment

Bonnar took care of Irvin within 2 mins and you got him beating Rampage/Rashad & Bisping ? WoW


Finals: Rampage Vs. Tito.... but too bad they'd NEVER fight



Anybody can pick the favorites... I wanted a good story line.

I think Irvin has the potential to be a great LH. He has great athletic ability, sometimes he looks great (Martin), and sometimes he's not so great (Kimura by Bonnar).



Now that I think about it, he didn't look great against Martin either... he lost the first round and then landed the infamous flying knee. Oh well, I'm sticking by my picks.
nate22
2/24/07 8:29:56AM

Posted by ac_gi


Posted by Punishment

Bonnar took care of Irvin within 2 mins and you got him beating Rampage/Rashad & Bisping ? WoW


Finals: Rampage Vs. Tito.... but too bad they'd NEVER fight



Anybody can pick the favorites... I wanted a good story line.

I think Irvin has the potential to be a great LH. He has great athletic ability, sometimes he looks great (Martin), and sometimes he's not so great (Kimura by Bonnar).



Irvin is pushing 30, looks like his potential has gone down the swan mate. Terry Martin is his best win, that pretty much sums up his record, losses to Bonnar, Lodune and Mike Kyle are never going to do you any favors, you really are living in fantasy land if you think Irvin has a chance against either 3. I hope you didn't rank him ahead of them
pv3Hpv3p
2/24/07 12:49:39PM

Posted by RichBoy

I thought Van Arsdale retired ?



Not sure if he did or not...

Like I mentioned before I had just rewatched his fight with Randy, and thought that his wrestling could give some of guys problems...

When he got matched up with Tito, I thought that would make an interesting fight, at least style-wise on paper...
pv3Hpv3p
2/24/07 12:55:35PM

Posted by nate22

I'm not playing this game because you all think Jardine has a chance at making the final and this upsets me deeply.

Love you guys, but never that!! lol.



I'm with you... He would have his hands full with Belfort in the first round...

I like the guy, but just because he beat Forrest doesn't mean he's ready to walk through the LHW div...

If Vitor came back to bang, this would be a hell of a war that could easily go wither way...
pv3Hpv3p
2/24/07 1:03:26PM

Posted by JunCTion

if youre using the ncaa bracket system for the tournament
before you seed them you could use the ranking system also when it comes to losses.
if a top 5 guy has a loss in his last 2 ppvs he drops 2 spots,
if a 6 - 10 guy has a loss in his last 2 ppvs he drops 3 spots,
if an 11 - 16 guy has a loss in his last 2 ppvs he drops 4 spots.

with this method you could have fast rising new fighter (cinderalla) make it into the tournament with a couple of good wins in his last 2 ppvs

also the cheater bonnar (the schoolthat has the brainiac students do their homework) gets kicked out of the tourny no matter what the record



That would've been a better idea... I kind of rushed through it when I put it together... But this would make for some more interesting matchups...

In general I thought it was interesting to see a tournament set up in a LHW div that's really coming into it's own...

IMO, if some guy can make up some BS rankings / tournament and end up with some pretty interesting matchups that's just a testament to how much the division has improved.
xchickox
2/24/07 1:40:31PM
BRACKET 1:

Tito over Van Arsdale
Rampage over Irvin
Machida over Bonnar
Jardine over Vitor

Bracket 2:

Babalu over David Heath
Rashad over Hoger
Bisbing over Hamil
Forest over Lambert

Quarterfinals

Rampage over Tito
Jardine over Machida
Rashad over Babalu
Bisping over Forest

Semi-Finals

Rampage over Jardine
Bisping Over Rashad

Finals

Bisping over Rampage (this might be a bit biased but I think with time bisping is gonna be number 1 contender and is gonna give chuck one hell of a fight)
nate22
2/24/07 2:08:08PM
Seriously guys, no. Jardine over Machida? Jardine over even bloody Vitor is just , only because you weren't saying he could beat Forrest? Where were you guys saying he could wipe out the division before the Forrest KO?

Answer, nowhere, probably going on about a FORREST KO RD1. If you think beating Forrest Gump gives you any credibility whatsoever to beat a Machida or even a Belfort then you are very wrong.

This has taken a step out of Fantasy into the realms of ridiculous. No offence to Jardine, but he still has so much to prove to himself and the fans in the division. I hate bandwagons, and here emphasises exactly how stupid they become.

If anyone wants to attempt to argue Jardines capabilities and why or how exactly he could win those fights, go for it, please.
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