TUF 13 Finale - Discussion and Results (spoilers)

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Twenty20Dollars
6/4/11 11:41:16PM
Yay, I missed the facebook fights, so at least get to watch one of them tonight.
kopower
6/4/11 11:41:54PM
Did I mention I fu**kin hate TUF cards. I changed my pick to Ramsey.
postman
6/4/11 11:42:00PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by postman

Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.
kingsmasher
6/4/11 11:45:55PM

Posted by grappler0000


Posted by kingsmasher

Pettis has the same problem as Miguel Torres and thats putting too much faith in BJJ...



How did you take that away from this fight?



Its very difficult to sub fighters these days...I think the better option for Pettis and Torres would be looking to scramble and get back to your feet...Especially in Torres case cause Mighty Mouse is clearly just stronger than Torres so a submission win is even more difficult...

So what I say is get back to your feet is the better option subs are just a waste and you look bad on your back...
pmoney
6/4/11 11:46:17PM
I went 5-6. Like 33 points. One of my worst showings ever! I started the season ranked in the hundreds, then in the forties, then a crap showing last week sent me into the 200's, and after doing even worse AND missing my parlay this event....

kingsmasher
6/4/11 11:47:48PM

Posted by postman


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by postman

Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.




I will leave you in your argument and let you wallow in your misery of obviously losing...I picked Pettis...but he did not win....
Twenty20Dollars
6/4/11 11:49:55PM
I know I prolly didn't get too many points but hit a good size parlay of about 4k with the two man parlay of Kingsbury & Guida. (Although, I thought Kingsbury might have lost Rds 2&3)

Oh nice, get to watch Grispi/Roop too.
Twenty20Dollars
6/4/11 11:51:05PM
From dana's twitter:

danawhite Dana White
Sub duran ko ferguson fon maldonado and kingsbury all 40k each
hate4thestate
6/4/11 11:53:58PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by postman


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by postman

Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.




I will leave you in your argument and let you wallow in your misery of obviously losing...I picked Pettis...but he did not win....



That's your counter arguement? FAIL.
kingsmasher
6/4/11 11:54:18PM

Posted by Twenty20Dollars

I know I prolly didn't get too many points but hit a good size parlay of about 4k with the two man parlay of Kingsbury & Guida. (Although, I thought Kingsbury might have lost Rds 2&3)

Oh nice, get to watch Grispi/Roop too.



This is hilarious...Grispi...Grispi standup is bad...Leaves himself way open and takes his eyes off opponent when he swings...
grappler0000
6/4/11 11:56:28PM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by grappler0000


Posted by kingsmasher

Pettis has the same problem as Miguel Torres and thats putting too much faith in BJJ...



How did you take that away from this fight?



Its very difficult to sub fighters these days...I think the better option for Pettis and Torres would be looking to scramble and get back to your feet...Especially in Torres case cause Mighty Mouse is clearly just stronger than Torres so a submission win is even more difficult...

So what I say is get back to your feet is the better option subs are just a waste and you look bad on your back...



That's not always an option...or at least not always the best one. A smart, well rounded fighter will weigh his options, depending on the skillset of his opponent, position in the Octagon, position of his opponent, etc...not just go for something that's not gonna happen. If you'll notice, Pettis got back up to his feet, when he was in position to do so. Just as it's not smart to "just" look for submissions, it's not smart to "just" try and stand up. If you fight someone with good top game, sometimes the better move is to be offensive, rather than defensive...especially if you have the tools to do so.
Twenty20Dollars
6/4/11 11:56:56PM
Maybe Grispi is a "fluke"
kingsmasher
6/4/11 11:59:53PM

Posted by hate4thestate


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by postman


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by postman

Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.




I will leave you in your argument and let you wallow in your misery of obviously losing...I picked Pettis...but he did not win....



That's your counter arguement? FAIL.




OK for the sake of argument...Joe Rogan just said school yard logic matters in UFC...The guy on top the majority of people will think that person won the fight...Now for Guida and Pettis and Torres and Might Mouse...While they both attempted subs from the bottom they really only do one thing....Cost energy to the one trying....Neither Guida or Mighty mouse had any damage done to them...If I had to pick Pettis or Torres as the winner I thoguht Torres did a ton more from the bottom but I am going with how judging is today...And there was zero damage that we could see to either fighter...But Octagon Control is huge GUida did take Pettis down multiple times and really had no problem doing it...He controlled the fight and cause Joe Rogan yelling sub attempts are just attempts...I said before should then there be scoring for KO attempts why not? its the same thing....
kingsmasher
6/5/11 12:01:07AM
HAd to stop the argument because the other guy is extremly biased and it was quite obvious...
sbulldavid
6/5/11 12:05:56AM
You shouldn't get points for Noogies.
Twenty20Dollars
6/5/11 12:21:18AM
Sucks we have to see Cope again....wooo!
hate4thestate
6/5/11 12:23:42AM

Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by hate4thestate


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by postman


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by postman

Please tell me at what point in that fight did Guida ever put offense on Pettis he landed one overhand right and a few takedowns. Pettis was working triangles put a nice head kick on him, landed more punches from his back the Clay landed from top position. Locked up a armbar for a second. I knew that the judges would score that for Guida the always do. I knew a few playgrounders would as well.



I sure thought Guida contolled the pace octagon control and what you see as sub attempts are just that an attempt....I guess you would like to see better scoring for punches attempted....a sub attempt is nothing in my eyes but a waste of energy...



Dude if you don't stop a fight and it goes to the cards the fighter that inficts more damge and imposes more offense should be the winner of the fight. No matter if it is off your back or not.




I will leave you in your argument and let you wallow in your misery of obviously losing...I picked Pettis...but he did not win....



That's your counter arguement? FAIL.




OK for the sake of argument...Joe Rogan just said school yard logic matters in UFC...The guy on top the majority of people will think that person won the fight...Now for Guida and Pettis and Torres and Might Mouse...While they both attempted subs from the bottom they really only do one thing....Cost energy to the one trying....Neither Guida or Mighty mouse had any damage done to them...If I had to pick Pettis or Torres as the winner I thoguht Torres did a ton more from the bottom but I am going with how judging is today...And there was zero damage that we could see to either fighter...But Octagon Control is huge GUida did take Pettis down multiple times and really had no problem doing it...He controlled the fight and cause Joe Rogan yelling sub attempts are just attempts...I said before should then there be scoring for KO attempts why not? its the same thing....



KO attempts are scored... They are called punches. Now if they miss they arnt scored. But you cant even begin to compare strikes to sub attempts its not the same thing, but I will try.

Lets say a fight starts on the ground. Guida gets it standing (takedown).Now I see sub attempts more like jabs. They possibly set up other strikes, like landing a hard right (locking the sub in), koing the opponent (getting a tap or making them sleep). So Pettis only jabs while Guida only defends them. The you would say Guida wins?

I dont know how else to try to fit two different elements of the game into a comparison.

And I can cancel that school yard logic out instantly. Just look at the Edwards fight earlier tonight. Rogan said the dude on top at the end of the fight wins. Justin Edwards was on top at the end of that fight and he lost. Albeit a split decision but he still lost.

The judging system needs revision. It favors wrestlers so much to the point you can get dominated for 4:59 of a fight, get a takedown and win the round.
grappler0000
6/5/11 12:28:48AM

Posted by kingsmasher

OK for the sake of argument...Joe Rogan just said school yard logic matters in UFC.



His tongue was firmly planted in his cheek when he made that statement. If you're actually using that as a basis for your argument, then you just lost the argument.



But Octagon Control is huge GUida did take Pettis down multiple times and really had no problem doing it...He controlled the fight and cause Joe Rogan yelling sub attempts are just attempts...



Octagon Control is not huge. It's a factor, but it's only a tertiary criteria. Not to mention, most judges have no idea what even constitutes Octagon Control, which is part of the problem. Oh, and sub attempts are a part of Octagon Control...but who cares about the rules, when there's a takedown to distract the judges.



I said before should then there be scoring for KO attempts why not? its the same thing....



There is indeed scoring for KO attempts...it's called landed strikes. Threatening with submission attempts are the grappling equivalent of landed strikes that don't produce a knockout. You can freely debate this all you want, but you'll have to throw out the rulebook to do so. Just because most of the MMA judges are clueless, doesn't make these sort of assumptions by fans a fact.
ncordless
6/5/11 12:56:02PM

Posted by Aether


Posted by ncordless


Posted by kopower


Posted by kingsmasher


Posted by ncordless

I thought Maldonado won rounds 1 and 3 because Maldonado got the better of every one of those clinches after the first one, but regardless it was an awesome fight.


I agree with everyone that Maldonado needs to move down to MW. He would give a lot of those guys problems.



no way Maldonado won the first...i see your point though when in the clinch hes hitting the body but depending on where the judges are and angle theyre at they might not see any of that and just see Kingsbury controlling Maldoando and kneeing him and they cant see Maldonado is blocking most with his arms...

Serioulsy the fight coulda been a draw...but not Maldonado winning



This.



I agree that judges suck, and that I could envision that they would be giving those clinches to Kingsbury, but that doesn't mean he should have won. Maldonado blocked nearly every knee and was landing rib roasters.



Even when you block a knee, you take a pretty good deal of force from them, it's not like they should be considered completely negated. I think he also landed a lot more than you might think, Kingsbury was landing punches when they broke from the clinch pretty frequently as well as a decent amount of kicks and tons of knees. Maldonado definitely did damage with his shots but Kingsbury was landing more frequently and controlling the pace of the fight the whole round.



No sir. Check the fight metric, rewatch that fight without the sound. Maldonado outstruck Kingsbury in rounds 1 and 3.

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