Tito Ortiz Makes a Fair Proposal: UFC Should Pay Fighters 30% of Revenues

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grappler0000
5/12/08 3:04:41PM
As he prepares for what is being advertised as his last fight in the organization at UFC 84, Tito Ortiz is, as he so often has, talking about his belief that UFC fighters should make more money.

Ortiz told MMA Mania that he thinks fighters should make about 30% of revenues, and Michael Rome of Bloody Elbow crunches some numbers and says that would be a significant pay raise from where they are now.

But while it would be significantly more than they make now, it would be nowhere near as much as athletes in other sports make. Liz Mullen of Sports Business Journal reports that baseball players make 51% to 55% of MLB revenues, football players make 59% of NFL revenues, basketball players make 57% of NBA revenues and hockey players make 55.6% of NHL revenues.


That's not an apples-to-apples comparison, though, because UFC pays a lot more of its own costs for things like TV broadcasts than other sports leagues do. No one would suggest that UFC should pay more than half of its revenue to its fighters.

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CantAndleDaRiddum
5/12/08 3:10:09PM
sounds good to me
grappler0000
5/12/08 3:11:33PM
...patiently awaiting a reply from thatfedorsohotrightnow
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 3:13:08PM
Check my previous posts to see that I have been shouting this out for awhile. I would be thrilled with 30%, the fact is the more money these guys get paid, the better fights we all see.

WAR paying a % of gross revenue.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 3:14:27PM

Posted by grappler0000

...patiently awaiting a reply from thatfedorsohotrightnow



Didn't have to wait long. LOL
telnights
5/12/08 3:49:25PM

That's not an apples-to-apples comparison, though, because UFC pays a lot more of its own costs for things like TV broadcasts than other sports leagues do. No one would suggest that UFC should pay more than half of its revenue to its fighters.


That says it all right there. Over time fighters will make more with the UFC as time goes by but to compare the UFC to the other sports is flat out unfair and the 2 don't relate at all when it comes to money. Fact is the UFC as a hole pays better than other MMA company's. The only company I have seen that pays more than the UFC is one that hasn't even had one show yet and I don't expect it to last long. Why isn't the story saying MMA orgs should pay 30% of it revenues, Its because its a biased story and very one sided. In fact till the UFC release how much profit it is making we wont know how much they are paying % wise.

Why is it the only guys complaining about the UFCs pay is the guys already making really good money. I do think the UFC could pay more and will over time but for anyone to think Tito cares about the other fighters pay is blind. Tito only cares about his pay and if he had his way he would be making 29% of the revenues while the other fighters got 1%.

silverbullet
5/12/08 3:58:33PM

Posted by telnights

Why is it the only guys complaining about the UFCs pay is the guys already making really good money. I do think the UFC could pay more and will over time but for anyone to think Tito cares about the other fighters pay is blind. Tito only cares about his pay and if he had his way he would be making 29% of the revenues while the other fighters got 1%.




Don't waste your breath. Five years down the road these same people will be whining how fighters make too much money.

I'd rather see people fight for pride than for profit. Nobody is forced into the fight game, and if you can't pay the medical bills maybe you should consider another career like selling shoes which i did for three years and it sucked.
slappywhite
5/12/08 4:21:08PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

the fact is the more money these guys get paid, the better fights we all see.




how is that a fact?

if anything its far from it since there's no basis for that
Darnok
5/12/08 4:23:55PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

I would be thrilled with 30%,



Who really cares what would make you happy.

You know what would make me happy, if I get to keep watching quality fights and be able to tell you who the champ is. If it went the way you want it it will turn into boxing where there are ten different chanmpions for each weight class that nobody can keep track and one good fight per card. Is this what you really want.

I have said it before, I think you must be Randy's Bolywood agent.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 4:54:06PM

Posted by slappywhite


Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

the fact is the more money these guys get paid, the better fights we all see.




how is that a fact?

if anything its far from it since there's no basis for that



More money in the sport means better athletes will get involved. Brock Lesnar and Kurt Angle would have gone right to MMA instead of WWE if the cash was right. Better athletes= better fights.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 4:57:46PM
"In fact till the UFC release how much profit it is making we wont know how much they are paying % wise."

We will never know the "profit" becasue UFC will never tell us that. That is why the talk is of dividing gross revenue and not net. Do you need me to explain the difference?
xburbx
5/12/08 4:57:52PM
The statement of "the more fighters get paid, the better the fights" is all relative to the UFC's margins. In theory, if a company pays its employees more, it will have better talent. The downside of that is that the UFC will probably have to take money away from expansion and growth. It is a balancing act. I dont understand why this argument is still around. Didnt anyone read that boxing article? The UFC pays more to an average fighter than boxing. Only the top fight of the night makes the huge pay that everyone gets excited about. We also cant make any comments until we know how much the UFC makes. For all we know, they might already be paying 30%. It might also be easier to stomach 30% if the UFC was making as much as say the MLB at $6billion/year. There is a lot more room there.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 5:00:05PM

Posted by Darnok


Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

I would be thrilled with 30%,



Who really cares what would make you happy.

You know what would make me happy, if I get to keep watching quality fights and be able to tell you who the champ is. If it went the way you want it it will turn into boxing where there are ten different chanmpions for each weight class that nobody can keep track and one good fight per card. Is this what you really want.

I have said it before, I think you must be Randy's Bolywood agent.



I can't stand Randy. I think he is running from Nog and looking for one last big pay day. That doesn't mean he isn't right about fighter pay. People do the right thing for the wrong reason all the time.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 5:04:51PM
Amazing how many of you don't know the difference between gross and net.
stock
5/12/08 5:07:50PM

Posted by silverbullet


Posted by telnights

Why is it the only guys complaining about the UFCs pay is the guys already making really good money. I do think the UFC could pay more and will over time but for anyone to think Tito cares about the other fighters pay is blind. Tito only cares about his pay and if he had his way he would be making 29% of the revenues while the other fighters got 1%.




Don't waste your breath. Five years down the road these same people will be whining how fighters make too much money.

I'd rather see people fight for pride than for profit. Nobody is forced into the fight game, and if you can't pay the medical bills maybe you should consider another career like selling shoes which i did for three years and it sucked.



Exactly.
The UFC pays more money to fighters than any other organization out there.
You are also secure when you sign with the UFC.

Why isn't the focus on all these other shoddy organizations that are popping up and then going bankrupt, or not being able to pay their fighters, or losing their venues, or unable to put fights together, etc....?

When the UFC employees have leverage to bargain with, they WILL get paid more money. Let the market run its course, and everything will be just fine.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 5:11:53PM

Let the market run its course, and everything will be just fine.


All the top fighters leaving and complaining is the market running it's course. Sure is fun huh?
silverbullet
5/12/08 6:12:49PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow
Amazing how many of you don't know the difference between gross and net.



Amazing how you confuse a general disinterest towards what you have to say with a lack of knowledge between the terms "gross" and "net"
iwannabesedated
5/12/08 6:24:56PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow


Let the market run its course, and everything will be just fine.


All the top fighters leaving and complaining is the market running it's course. Sure is fun huh?




Top fighters ???? I dont see what you mean
BJ,Anderson,NOG,GSP,Rampage,Wandy,Chuck,Shogun,Etc...You only hear Randy,Tito,and Timmay bitching about payin the UFC.Randy has 1 or 2 fights left,Tito i doubt will ever be the LHW in the UFC ever again and Tim just lost to the champ so he would have to work his way back up...Your saying top fighters like 90% of the fighters are leaving...When only 3 guys are leaving...the books still out on AA but the UFC will bring in new blood and make the HW exciting.. so therefore your statement is incorrect and should say UFC has beens or old men are leaving the UFC in search for a big payday and someone where the can be on top..If these dudes want to bitch about pay and go elsewhere let them..Cause no other ORG in the US can market a fighter and fights as well as the UFC and im sure theres a million guys out there lookin for a chance to be a UFC fighter.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 6:29:46PM
Here is a hypothetical future for everyone to ponder.

At some point in the future the fighters will get 30% of GROSS revenue. Even if you think they don't deserve it yet since the sport is so young. Make that happen sooner in the UFC and drive out all the upstart promotions. Trust me Fedor would be bowing to Dana real quick if UFC was paying 30% of GROSS. Then we as fans get all the best fighters fighting in the same league.

I've been accussed of hating the UFC, yet if what I have been proposing was to happen, UFC would be more popular and stronger than ever.





iwannabesedated
5/12/08 6:35:28PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

.

I've been accussed of hating the UFC, yet if what I have been proposing was to happen, UFC would be more popular and stronger than ever.









Or Bankrupt.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 6:40:09PM

Posted by 40ouncetofreedom



Top fighters ???? I dont see what you mean
BJ,Anderson,NOG,GSP,Rampage,Wandy,Chuck,Shogun,Etc...You only hear Randy,Tito,and Timmay bitching about payin the UFC.Randy has 1 or 2 fights left,Tito i doubt will ever be the LHW in the UFC ever again and Tim just lost to the champ so he would have to work his way back up...Your saying top fighters like 90% of the fighters are leaving...When only 3 guys are leaving...the books still out on AA but the UFC will bring in new blood and make the HW exciting.. so therefore your statement is incorrect and should say UFC has beens or old men are leaving the UFC in search for a big payday and someone where the can be on top..If these dudes want to bitch about pay and go elsewhere let them..Cause no other ORG in the US can market a fighter and fights as well as the UFC and im sure theres a million guys out there lookin for a chance to be a UFC fighter.




You talk about UFC marketing fights yet you call Handy and Tito not top? Check the all time most popular UFC events and you'll see Tito and Handy on all of them.

More top guys will follow suit.

UFC paying the talent more is good for the business. Make life that much harder for the next guy.

AA is gone.
iwannabesedated
5/12/08 6:43:43PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow


Posted by 40ouncetofreedom



Top fighters ???? I dont see what you mean
BJ,Anderson,NOG,GSP,Rampage,Wandy,Chuck,Shogun,Etc...You only hear Randy,Tito,and Timmay bitching about payin the UFC.Randy has 1 or 2 fights left,Tito i doubt will ever be the LHW in the UFC ever again and Tim just lost to the champ so he would have to work his way back up...Your saying top fighters like 90% of the fighters are leaving...When only 3 guys are leaving...the books still out on AA but the UFC will bring in new blood and make the HW exciting.. so therefore your statement is incorrect and should say UFC has beens or old men are leaving the UFC in search for a big payday and someone where the can be on top..If these dudes want to bitch about pay and go elsewhere let them..Cause no other ORG in the US can market a fighter and fights as well as the UFC and im sure theres a million guys out there lookin for a chance to be a UFC fighter.




You talk about UFC marketing fights yet you call Handy and Tito not top? Check the all time most popular UFC events and you'll see Tito and Handy on all of them.





Whose Handy???? and secondly yeah the UFC marketed these guys alot better than any other US org could...and that was my point.But this isnt 2003 anymore.So who cares about the past.

thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 6:48:56PM
You must watch WWE, since that is how you want a sport to be run.
iwannabesedated
5/12/08 6:54:52PM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

You must watch WWE, since that is how you want a sport to be run.



Nah i cant recall the last time i watched any professional wrestling.


However if the WWE was involved im sure your boys would get 30%.....
whardin19
5/12/08 7:17:23PM
This seems fair to me.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/12/08 10:29:09PM

Posted by silverbullet


Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow
Amazing how many of you don't know the difference between gross and net.



Amazing how you confuse a general disinterest towards what you have to say with a lack of knowledge between the terms "gross" and "net"



More than one poster talked about the UFC's profits (net) when I was repeatedly talking of gross, so yes people don't know.

Why do you feel the need to be so hostile. If you don't have any thing to add to the discusion maybe you should just be silent.
SmileR
5/12/08 10:42:21PM
The sad truth is right now up and coming MMA fighters are earning a hell of a lot, some pick up more that HW boxers with a name behind them.
This is just a example and I'm not to sure about the exact figures but the gist is true.
Paul "Telly" Kelly earned around $5000 for his last fight just for showing up, on top of that he won FOTN bonus (around $20,00) and had his sponsorship deals. Although he had a name for himself here in the UK he was still not a standout star. Thats at least $25,000 plus whatever he picked up in sponsorship for one fight.

Now Audley Harrison who fought on the same card as Calzaghe & Hopkins picked up $20,000 for that fight and he was a HW boxer with a name behind him. Granted he probably got more in sponsorship but thats nothing to do with the people that pay him for fighting.
Their were boxers who I know in the future will be big names in the boxing world fighting on that card who earned less that $5000, some I'm sure only earned $1000 for the fight. This shows just how well up and coming MMA fighter are being paid.
For a virtual unknown fighter to pick up a check worth over $20,000 for one fight is unheard of in most sports.
I know this is with a bonus but even without they're on par with professional boxers who in one or two more fights will be challenging for titles! In MMA expecially in the UFC exciting fighters are rewarded and paid well up to a point.

Now on the other had Calzaghe picked up around 3 million for the fight with Hopkins and was the main event. Where as GSP picked up around $250,000 for his last fight. This I think is were the difference starts to show.

I understand that most of the promotion and many other costs were covered by the UFC and GSP probably made close to 1 million all in all for that fight, but its still a fraction of what top boxers earn for one fight.
Hopefully as the sport grows the champions and elite of the sport will in turn become better paid, but I for one right now am perfectly happy with how the UFC pay the fighters.




nubby
5/12/08 11:01:16PM

Posted by stock


Posted by silverbullet


Posted by telnights

Why is it the only guys complaining about the UFCs pay is the guys already making really good money. I do think the UFC could pay more and will over time but for anyone to think Tito cares about the other fighters pay is blind. Tito only cares about his pay and if he had his way he would be making 29% of the revenues while the other fighters got 1%.




Don't waste your breath. Five years down the road these same people will be whining how fighters make too much money.

I'd rather see people fight for pride than for profit. Nobody is forced into the fight game, and if you can't pay the medical bills maybe you should consider another career like selling shoes which i did for three years and it sucked.



Exactly.
The UFC pays more money to fighters than any other organization out there.
You are also secure when you sign with the UFC.

Why isn't the focus on all these other shoddy organizations that are popping up and then going bankrupt, or not being able to pay their fighters, or losing their venues, or unable to put fights together, etc....?

When the UFC employees have leverage to bargain with, they WILL get paid more money. Let the market run its course, and everything will be just fine.



They may pay more absolute dollars but what about as a percentage of profit, I bet organization like Elite XC, Dream, and Affliction all pay more as a percentage of their profit. So the question is, does the UFC pay fairly? If the UFC was full of usless no-name fighters, would we watch them? I doubt it.
thatfedorsohotrightnow
5/13/08 12:06:58AM
They may pay more absolute dollars but what about as a percentage of profit, I bet organization like Elite XC, Dream, and Affliction all pay more as a percentage of their profit. So the question is, does the UFC pay fairly? If the UFC was full of usless no-name fighters, would we watch them? I doubt it.

Have you read anything that I have said? Or the actual story itself? Just wow
nubby
5/13/08 12:29:39AM

Posted by thatfedorsohotrightnow

They may pay more absolute dollars but what about as a percentage of profit, I bet organization like Elite XC, Dream, and Affliction all pay more as a percentage of their profit. So the question is, does the UFC pay fairly? If the UFC was full of usless no-name fighters, would we watch them? I doubt it.

Have you read anything that I have said? Or the actual story itself? Just wow


Nope.
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