Time for Leben to go?

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emfleek
9/2/09 8:41:33AM
The UFC is not a charitable organization. While I'm sure it brings joy to millions of people, the UFC is foremost a business.

But not everyone sees it that way.

A recent article by Cagewriter editor Steve Cofield talks about the recent problems of Chris Leben, saying, "Here's hoping they don't axe him because if he's struggling with some of the demons of the past it might be the worst time ever for UFC to dump him."

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prozacnation1978
9/2/09 9:11:40AM
i heard from a few people who went to the after party after the weigh ins saying he was partying it up pretty hard
i don't think he should go though, i like watching him fight, he was winning that fight before he went to sleep
sparky
9/2/09 9:14:58AM

Posted by prozacnation1978

i heard from a few people who went to the after party after the weigh ins saying he was partying it up pretty hard
i don't think he should go though, i like watching him fight, he was winning that fight before he went to sleep



Agreed
hippysmacker
9/2/09 9:18:27AM
Leben always brings it, win or lose. Guys like Leben,Franca, Lytle, Nick Diaz and Guida are always needed IMO. So while I think none of these guys will ever win a UFC title , they are guaranteed to have a entertaining fight, are are definitely needed in the UFC.
emfleek
9/2/09 9:25:28AM

Posted by hippysmacker

Leben always brings it, win or lose. Guys like Leben,Franca, Lytle, Nick Diaz and Guida are always needed IMO. So while I think none of these guys will ever win a UFC title , they are guaranteed to have a entertaining fight, are are definitely needed in the UFC.



Agreed. He's definitely entertaining.
Aaronno9
9/2/09 9:33:56AM
I thought he deserved to be given the boot before the fight, and he needs to be cut even more now. He doesnt deserve to be the UFC.
Chrrowley
9/2/09 10:06:22AM
Before the rosholt fight he was 8-4 in the UFC with wins over Cote, Jorge Rivera AND Santiago, Luigi Fioravanti, Terry Martin, Alessio Sakara - fairly decent competition.

He had some setbacks and losses to Jason MacDonald and Kalib Starnes were evident of that (he fought a good fight against Bisping and who can blame him for losing to Anderson Silva).

Not perfect, but how can you argue he was not UFC worthy? Now there is more of an argument, but before the Rosholt fight he was sporting a solid 8 and 4 record with wins in 2 of his last 3.
ncordless
9/2/09 10:16:13AM
I don't think it's time to cut Leben just yet unless they really need the roster space.


I definitely do not want him taking up main card space until he gets some wins though.
Nightmare27
9/2/09 10:21:57AM
I hope that they dont but if he was partying the night before his fight he couldnt have been taking too seriously.
emfleek
9/2/09 10:27:08AM
Sure, let the UFC cut Leben and replace him with someone who DOESN'T bring it in every fight. That would make a whole lot of sense.

xburbx
9/2/09 10:49:00AM
Cut him. The raw talent isnt there. Go to strikeforce
Rush
9/2/09 10:50:23AM
I think he should be conditionally cut. His performance has been really poor since his loss to Silva and I think he needs to fight elsewhere. If he can sting together a couple convincing wins at a mid-level org, then I am for giving him another chance in the UFC, but based on his recent performances I don't think he is even at the level of gatekeeper.
zephead
9/2/09 12:01:49PM
As a person, I'm not a fan of his, as a fighter, he brings it every fight. He's a gatekeeper
StorminYourman
9/2/09 12:02:48PM
Feed him to Wand!
Aaronno9
9/2/09 12:07:02PM

Posted by emfleek

Sure, let the UFC cut Leben and replace him with someone who DOESN'T bring it in every fight. That would make a whole lot of sense.




Or mabeys replace him with somebody who doesn't abuse steroids. Or have to cancel fights to go to jail for driving under the influence.
RyanC
9/2/09 12:56:12PM
Leben has battled himself, and a lot of personal demons, but he's proven on quite a few occasions that he is worthy of being in UFC. His brash personality, and partying haven't done him any favors in many peoples eyes, but he is a solid fighter.

I'd bump him down to the bottom of the ladder, give him one more chance to prove his worth, and if that fails then send him packing.

Rush
9/2/09 12:57:45PM

Posted by RyanC

I'd bump him down to the bottom of the ladder, give him one more chance to prove his worth, and if that fails then send him packing.





I assumed that his fight with Jake Rosholt was that last chance.
RyanC
9/2/09 1:03:16PM

Posted by Rush


Posted by RyanC

I'd bump him down to the bottom of the ladder, give him one more chance to prove his worth, and if that fails then send him packing.





I assumed that his fight with Jake Rosholt was that last chance.



If that was the case then I would assume we will know soon enough. I feel bad for a guy like this in a way. He's been his own worst enemy. He just can't seem to get out of his own way.
emfleek
9/2/09 1:09:57PM

Posted by Aaronno9

Or mabeys replace him with somebody who doesn't abuse steroids.




As soon as you can discover a way to definitively know whether or not a fighter is "abusing" steroids, I'd be all for that. I think it's a bit naive of anyone to believe that quite a few fighters aren't cycling.


Or have to cancel fights to go to jail for driving under the influence.


Driving under the influence has absolutely NOTHING to do with his performance in the octagon.
Aaronno9
9/2/09 1:11:42PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Aaronno9

Or mabeys replace him with somebody who doesn't abuse steroids.




As soon as you can discover a way to definitively know whether or not a fighter is "abusing" steroids, I'd be all for that. I think it's a bit naive of anyone to believe that quite a few fighters aren't cycling.


Or have to cancel fights to go to jail for driving under the influence.


Driving under the influence has absolutely NOTHING to do with his performance in the octagon.



Neither did Jesse Taylor mocking Rampage after his breakdown. Still got him the boot though.

I agree with the steroid part, we'll probably never know 100% which fighters cycle. That point is completely irrelevent in regards to Leben though, as he was caught and is a proven user of the roids.
emfleek
9/2/09 1:14:27PM

Posted by Aaronno9

Neither did Jesse Taylor mocking Rampage after his breakdown. Still got him the boot though.



We don't know that for sure.
RyanC
9/2/09 1:16:53PM

Posted by Aaronno9
Neither did Jesse Taylor mocking Rampage after his breakdown. Still got him the boot though.



Losing to CB Dolloway got him the boot not his alleged comments about the UFC's handling of the Rampage car accident.
emfleek
9/2/09 1:20:44PM

Posted by Aaronno9

That point is completely irrelevent in regards to Leben though, as he was caught and is a proven user of the roids.



I think it's already too late to cut a fighter for a failed test. Fighters like Sean Sherk, Karo Parisyan, Diego Sanchez...none of them were punished outside of their AC suspensions.

However, if a "2 strike" rule was added, I would be in favor of it. I do believe, however, that fighters deserve a chance to redeem themselves. I'm not above giving someone a second chance.
RyanC
9/2/09 1:22:28PM

Posted by emfleek


Posted by Aaronno9

That point is completely irrelevent in regards to Leben though, as he was caught and is a proven user of the roids.



I think it's already too late to cut a fighter for a failed test. Fighters like Sean Sherk, Karo Parisyan, Diego Sanchez...none of them were punished outside of their AC suspensions.

However, if a "2 strike" rule was added, I would be in favor of it. I do believe, however, that fighters deserve a chance to redeem themselves. I'm not above giving someone a second chance.



Couldn't agree more.
Sinister
9/2/09 1:24:08PM
His chin makes it so easy for a fight to become a slugfest. He will never be a contender but hes worth watching.
AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
9/2/09 2:03:13PM
Leben has failed to evolve since TUF 1 , while almost all of his castmates have evolved or moved on ( with the acception of bonnar) . Still the exact same fighter , bullrush forward relying on left hand and chin .

Lost 5 of his last 8 fights , the 3 wins have been perfect stylistic matchups . Sakara , Riviera and Martin all like to trade on the feet and have been ko'd combined 12 times .


Add his willingness to use banned substances , his dishonorable discharge from the military , the DUI , Did not train for the rosholt fight ...... the man reeks of poor character and needs to get cut .
machodog76
9/2/09 2:20:55PM
leben was getting drunk 2 weeks before the fight and hitting on my freinds 15 year old sister, bad choice. Good for for rosholt glad i switched my pick.
roger
9/2/09 2:31:55PM
When he gets cut from the UFC he can do what he does better then anything else... Get drunk and make a fool of him self
RyanC
9/2/09 2:38:16PM
Man, you guys have got no sympathy for a guy who obviously has substance abuse problem.
cowcatcher
9/2/09 2:40:02PM
no one here has gotten drunk within 2 weeks of a work day....gotta love the interwebs, everyones a critic.
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