Posted by tcunningham
not sure if you grapple/fight or not nut the guillotine can be a very difficult move to get on high level grapplers. that being said, i think the judges need to look very close to see if the guillotine has the fighter in trouble or not. the bendo guillotine just about ended the night for edgar so it has to go on the score cards as a significant part of the round. frankie is lucky to have survived a bendo guillotine that was that deep. if the guillotine aint deep but the guy is just to stupid to know he aint got it then he shouldn't earn shit for it on the scorecards. unfortunately the judges dont always have a good angle to see or they are just uneducated.
I'm in no means saying the guillotine is an easy sub to lock in at any level of grappling depending on the opponent. In the initital post I said it's the easiest sub. I can't think of anything that's easier to lock in. A rear naked you need to have the back. I feel an armbar, kimura, triangle, americana, gogo, leglock etc... requires more skill than a guillotine. any sub is gonna require a bit of luck with a bit of skill just like anything in the world like getting a knockout, scoring an nhl goal or getting a music deal but the guillotine is something that for example can be grabbed quick from someone trying to take you down if they happen to leave their neck open.
that being said, both you and pookie made very good posts and i can understand both. both gave me a different point of view on the sityation