Who are your top 5 most talented fighters per division?

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Pookie
1/19/10 6:38:18PM
Im not asking for your rankings. Just need to make that clear.

With that in mind here we go

HW - Fedor Emelianenko
Antonio Nogueira
Alistair Overeem
Dos Santos
Cain Velasquez
Honorable Mention: Frank Mir

LHW - Lyoto Machida
Shogun Rua
Rampage Jackson
Minotoro Nogueira
Gegard Mousasi
Honorable Mention: Brandon Vera

MW - Anderson Silva
Dan Henderson
Nate Marquardt
Vitor Belfort
Wanderlei Silva
Honorable Mention: Sexyama, the Sexy one

WW - Georges St. Pierre
Thiago Alves
Josh Koscheck
Jon Fitch
Paul Daley
Honorable Mention: Dan Hornbuckle

LW - BJ Penn
Eddie Alvarez
Frankie Edgar
Gilbert Melendez
Kenny Florian
Honorable Mention: Shinya Aoki
sparky
1/19/10 7:23:01PM
HW:
Fedor Emelianenko
Brock Lesnar
Frank Mir
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Junior Dos Santos
Honorable Mention: Alistair Overeem

LHW:
Mauricio Rua
Lyoto Machida
Rashad Evans
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Thiago Silva
Honorable Mention: Jon Jones

MW:
Anderson Silva
Dan Henderson
Vitor Belfort
Nate Marquardt
Ronaldo "Jacare" De Souza
Hononable Mention: Patrick Cote

WW:
Georges St.Pierre
Jon Fitch
Dan Hardy
Josh Koscheck
Thiago Alves
Honorable Mention: Paul Daley

LW:
BJ Penn
Kenny Florian
Shinya Aoki
Gray Maynard
Frankie Edgar
Honorable Mention: Eddie Alvarez
tcunningham
1/19/10 8:44:33PM
HW: fador, frank mir, big nog, overeem,

LHW: machida, shogun, lil' nog, mousasi, randy couture

MW: anderson silva, hendo, nate marquart(sp?), vitor belfort, damian mia honorable mention: chael sonnen

WW:GSP,fitch, matt hughes, kos, anthony johnson,

LW: bj penn, eddie alvares, jochim hansen, diego sanches, shinya aoki

Boo_Radley21
1/19/10 9:49:44PM
I'm just gonna do UFC:

Heavyweight:
Brock Lesnar
Minotauro Nogueira
Frank Mir
Cain Velasquez
Shane Carwin

Light Heavyweight:
Rampage Jackson
Lyoto Machida
Shogun Rua
Rashad Evans
Forrest Griffin

Middleweight:
Anderson Silva
Nate Marquardt
Vitor Belfort
Wanderlei Silva
Michael Bisping

Welterweight:
Georges St Pierre
Josh Koscheck
Jon Fitch
Thiago Alves
Mike Swick

Lightweight:
BJ Penn
Sean Sherk
Kenny Florian
Diego Sanchez
Frank Edgar
EvenFlow
1/19/10 9:53:04PM
im going with an underrated list instead


HW: Duffee
LH: Lawal, Feijao
MW: Khalidov, Lombard
WW: Nick Diaz, Hornbuckle
LW: Cerrone, Jim Miller
FW: Bibiano, Omigawa
BW: Campuzano
lohmann
1/20/10 1:39:32AM
HW - Fedor Emelianenko
Alistair Overeem
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Cain Velasquez
Josh Barnett

LHW - Lyoto Machida
Mauricio Rua
Gegard Mousasi
Jon Jones
Rashad Evans

MW - Anderson Silva
Dan Henderson
Nate Marquardt
Ronaldo Souza
Nick Diaz

WW - Georges St. Pierre
Jon Fitch
Thiago Alves
Josh Koscheck
Dan Hardy

LW - BJ Penn
Kenny Florian
Eddie Alvarez
Tatsuya Kawajiri
Gilbert Melendez

I still am trying to figure out what you mean by talented? I just looked for five well-rounded fighters from each division, which means I had to omit great one-dimensional fighters like Shinya Aoki, Jake Shields, and Junior Dos Santos (until I see his jiu-jitsu in practice at least).
Pookie
1/20/10 3:28:40AM
Hmm... this may be hard to put into words as it was abstract in my mind, though clear.

The quality of their skillsets; how sharpened and dangerous they are with them. And how well they cover up the holes in their game, meshing it into one cohesive killing machine that would do the best against the most type of varying skillsets that are present within the division.

Someone like Lesnar i have lower on the list than most, because i see holes in his stand-up that accurate powerful strikers like Overeem, Dos Santos could eat a hole through. Whilst also being susceptible to bjj guys of high calibre.

Whereas someone like Velasquez is higher on my list because i think he does better against a wider set of people. His strengths may not nearly be as good as lesnars in some areas, but due to his defenses and control i think he would lose against less people than Lesnar. His cohesive killing Autobot of destruction is a more talented version than Lesnar's in my mind.


Even if you disagree with the statement of Cain > Lesnar, did what i say make sense to you?
Pookie
1/20/10 3:41:51AM
Aoki you may see as a one dimensional fighter, but i see him as 2 dimensional in a 3 dimensional sport.

Ground, Clinch, Striking

Aoki has tremendous judo, and through his jumping monkey master style of clinch work, he can get almost anyone in his guard, as long as he can get close to them. He doesnt necasasarily need to get a leg takedown to get the fight to the ground. And because the clinch arts(Greco-Judo-Sambo) have fewer masters and far less using them, they are harder to counter against. Less training partners, and more to learn that as a fighter may really only be helpful to you against 1-2 people in the entire division.

I rank Aoki high because he can beat alot of styles, and just becuase he's a Destructive killing machine who wears rainbow stretchy pants that would make My Little Ponies envious: it doesnt mean his style isn't dangerous.



Shields i see being really great at his one style, since his bjj bottom game and top games are ridiculous, but because he doesnt have great takedowns, alot of fighters can keep him on the feet and beat him there, making him less dangerous and thus less talented of a fighter to me.
lohmann
1/20/10 4:05:15AM

Posted by Pookie

Aoki you may see as a one dimensional fighter, but i see him as 2 dimensional in a 3 dimensional sport.

Ground, Clinch, Striking

Aoki has tremendous judo, and through his jumping monkey master style of clinch work, he can get almost anyone in his guard, as long as he can get close to them. He doesnt necasasarily need to get a leg takedown to get the fight to the ground. And because the clinch arts(Greco-Judo-Sambo) have fewer masters and far less using them, they are harder to counter against. Less training partners, and more to learn that as a fighter may really only be helpful to you against 1-2 people in the entire division.

I rank Aoki high because he can beat alot of styles, and just becuase he's a Destructive killing machine who wears rainbow stretchy pants that would make My Little Ponies envious: it doesnt mean his style isn't dangerous.



Shields i see being really great at his one style, since his bjj bottom game and top games are ridiculous, but because he doesnt have great takedowns, alot of fighters can keep him on the feet and beat him there, making him less dangerous and thus less talented of a fighter to me.



I see your point about what "talented" means.

Maybe "limited fighter" would be more accurate. Aoki's not going to knock out many fighters, and instead he relies on ground techniques to outlast or submit opponents; if taken out of his limited style, he will lose. I just assumed "talented" had something to do with adapting to any situation and having a chance in any of those situations. I find that "cohesive" fighters are more than able to commit to any situation with positive results. It's a very vague term altogether, and using your definition about having the ability to do well against a wide range of people I just picked five fighters that will never seem woefully out-of-place at any time during a fight.

Need to spread the love before I can give props.
NatedawgThaM
1/20/10 1:14:47PM
HW: Fedor
Big Nog
Allistair Overeem
Junior Dos Santos
Frank Mir
HM: Cain Veslasquez

LHW: Lyoto Machida
Shogun Rua
Rampage Jackson
Rashad Evans
Jon Jones(So much talent already, when he reaches his potential.. )
HM: Brandon Vera

MW: Anderson Silva
Nate Marquardt
Hendo
Vitor Belfort
Jacare
HM: Sexyama
-Got Nate above Hendo just because Nate is pretty good in all areas where Hendo has HUGE power and great wrestling. Even though IMO Hendo would smash him.

WW: GSP
Josh Koschek
Jon Fitch
Thiago Alves
Paul Daley
HM: Diego Sanchez

LW: BJ Penn
Eddie Alvarez
Gilbert Melendez
Frankie Edgar
Kenny Florian
HM: Shinya Aoki
AnDeRsonDaSiLvA
1/20/10 6:54:59PM
Fedor
Overeem
Nog
Brock
Barnett

Anderson
Shogun
Machida
lil NOG
Jon Jones

Anderson
Hendo
Belfort
Marquart
Jacare

GSP
Shields
Alves
Fitch
Diaz

Penn
Alverez
Aoki
Melendez
Edgar
randompunter
1/21/10 7:02:16PM
On talent.....

HW: Fedor, Lesnar, Mir, Gonzaga + Cro Cop
LHW: Machida, Vera, Shogun, Filho, Mousasi/Arona
MW: Anderson, Belfort, Manhoef, Maia, Jacare
WW: GSP, Koscheck, Daley, Diaz +Alves
LW: Penn, Maynard, Aoki, Alvarez + Gomi/Etim
fullerene
1/27/10 8:18:51PM
Heavyweight
1. Fedor
2. Lesnar
3. Overeem
4. Arlovski
5. Roger Gracie

Light Heavyweight
1. Machida
2. Anderson Silva
3. Jon Jones
4. Mousassi
5. Shogun

Middleweight
1. Anderson Silva
2. Jacare
3. Cung Le
4. Belfort
5. Simpson

Welterweight
1. GSP
2. Koschek
3. Penn
4. Askren
5. Sanchez

Lightweight
1. Penn
2. Aoki
3. Florian
4. Gomi
5. Sherk
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