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big_timmy
7/21/08 9:44:53PM
I hate Tim Sylvia, that might not come as a shock to most people.

But seriously, where else in the world can a man walk into work, work for 38 seconds, leave, and get paid $800,000?

This is appauling. He is a joke to most people, and he goes in and fights a man who is considered by many the best fighter in the world, and Tim Sylvia gets paid more than Fedor?

I know this was just a pay day for most of the fighters on the Affliction card, but come on, who in their right mind would pay that much for Tim Sylvia?

God it pisses me off. Give me $800,000 and i'll fight anyone in the world and put up a better fight than what Tim Sylvia did. Shit, give my $50 and i'll go in and fight anyone in the world.

You could say this is a frustrated rant, but seriously, is no one else annoyed about this?
zephead
7/21/08 9:52:06PM
Doesn't seem it bothers anyone else
ncordless
7/21/08 9:53:10PM
LOL I guarantee you wouldn't last 38 sec. vs. Fedor or Tim.
Jackelope
7/21/08 9:53:54PM

Posted by ncordless

LOL I guarantee you wouldn't last 38 sec. vs. Fedor or Tim.

Twenty20Dollars
7/21/08 9:56:22PM
And I thought it was Fedor that wanted all this money to fight. Atleast Andrei made a lot.
jiujitsufreak74
7/21/08 9:57:07PM
well i agree with the TS. Tim Sylvia did not deserve that money in the slightest, but i guess they had to draw him away from the UFC somehow. oh, and i thought Fedor was asking for 1 million+....how did he get stuck with 300,000? either way, it is good and bad because it shows that there is some serious money to be made in the sport and that MMA fighters are starting to get paid more and more.
big_timmy
7/21/08 10:33:22PM
I would LOVE the chance to fight Tim Sylvia. And i'd do it for free. Shit, i'd take him on any street corner, cage, ring, yamma pit, tree top, circus tent, anywhere.

It bothers me that this guy who isnt that good a fighter gets paid $800,000 when you got lower level fighters puting on good shows for the people and they get nothing but bread. Fair enough thats how business works, but i just dont understand how Tim Sylvia is pulling in this cash when he hasnt even put up a fight for a long time now.

I guess it pays big time to have your manager as an upper managment type.

What happened to Fedor asking over 2 millions wasnt it?

In my eyes, if your Fedor, you can ask what ever you want for a fight, same with Anderson Silva. These guys will give you a show. But how do these 2 fighters, Fedor and Silva, walk away after this weekend with their money COMBINED less than Sylvia?

Tell me, who out of this group would you rather pay money to see? Fedor, Sylvia, or Anderson Silva? Two of these 3 earn there money, the other is 6'8 and boring as bat shit.
TWITA
7/21/08 10:50:58PM
I hope he doesn't spend it all in one place, 'cuz he's never (ever) going to get paid $800K for 1 fight ever again.
Jackelope
7/21/08 10:56:32PM

Posted by big_timmy

I would LOVE the chance to fight Tim Sylvia. And i'd do it for free. Shit, i'd take him on any street corner, cage, ring, yamma pit, tree top, circus tent, anywhere.

It bothers me that this guy who isnt that good a fighter gets paid $800,000 when you got lower level fighters puting on good shows for the people and they get nothing but bread. Fair enough thats how business works, but i just dont understand how Tim Sylvia is pulling in this cash when he hasnt even put up a fight for a long time now.

I guess it pays big time to have your manager as an upper managment type.

What happened to Fedor asking over 2 millions wasnt it?

In my eyes, if your Fedor, you can ask what ever you want for a fight, same with Anderson Silva. These guys will give you a show. But how do these 2 fighters, Fedor and Silva, walk away after this weekend with their money COMBINED less than Sylvia?

Tell me, who out of this group would you rather pay money to see? Fedor, Sylvia, or Anderson Silva? Two of these 3 earn there money, the other is 6'8 and boring as bat shit.



How this isn't fighter bashing is beyond me. I've seen you hate on Tim Sylvia a lot around here before. I'll say this-

First of all, for any poster here on the playground to call out a fighter is outright ridiculous. I know a lot of us around here train, but I guarantee you unless Arlovski, Big Nog, Fedor, Frank Mir or Couture is one of the posters almost everyone else would get their ass kicked by Tim Sylvia. He's lost to those 5 guys, and had his arm broken by Frank Mir for the technical submission (still wanted to continue, I might add) I'd love to see you run into Tim Sylvia on a street corner and summon those apparently gigantic e-balls to say what you're saying now to his face. Because what you're doing is 100% disrespect. Granted, I'd fight him too for $800,000 but I'd be humbled in doing so and wouldn't for a second think I stood a chance. That coming from a guy who's been training seriously for years now along side several UFC and other top organization fighters.

That point aside- Yes, Tim Sylvia can be a boring fighter. His style is for some, but not for all. No person can argue the fact that he has stepped into the Octagon against the cream of the crop competition. He was well on his way to a decision victory or possible KO of Big Nog at that. You don't like his style- fine. Leave it at that. What kind of authority are you on matters to consider whether or not he's got what it takes to be in the big rings against the top competition? I'm sure Arlovski could tell you about how dangerous Tim Sylvia can be (2x), and how about Monson? Ricco Rodriguez? Or any one of the 26 PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS he has fought and beat. (17 of whom he's KO'd)

I understand people don't like to look at a tall, goofy looking, fat around the mid-section fighter who uses reach and size to his advantage. Give the man his credit for God's sake, though! He's done well for himself and he's overcome serious obstacles to get where he is. Calling him out on the internet just makes you look ignorant and spiteful. If that's the impression you want to give to others, then fine... but I'd seriously suggest you rehash your wording so you don't get banned or assume the role of town idiot.
Mchubb316
7/21/08 10:58:16PM

Posted by jiujitsufreak74

well i agree with the TS. Tim Sylvia did not deserve that money in the slightest, but i guess they had to draw him away from the UFC somehow. oh, and i thought Fedor was asking for 1 million+....how did he get stuck with 300,000? either way, it is good and bad because it shows that there is some serious money to be made in the sport and that MMA fighters are starting to get paid more and more.





Money is getting better and better. A question I have is how will this affect the UFC in resigning their top guys when it comes to contract time?
big_timmy
7/21/08 11:18:23PM

Posted by Jackelope


Posted by big_timmy

I would LOVE the chance to fight Tim Sylvia. And i'd do it for free. Shit, i'd take him on any street corner, cage, ring, yamma pit, tree top, circus tent, anywhere.

It bothers me that this guy who isnt that good a fighter gets paid $800,000 when you got lower level fighters puting on good shows for the people and they get nothing but bread. Fair enough thats how business works, but i just dont understand how Tim Sylvia is pulling in this cash when he hasnt even put up a fight for a long time now.

I guess it pays big time to have your manager as an upper managment type.

What happened to Fedor asking over 2 millions wasnt it?

In my eyes, if your Fedor, you can ask what ever you want for a fight, same with Anderson Silva. These guys will give you a show. But how do these 2 fighters, Fedor and Silva, walk away after this weekend with their money COMBINED less than Sylvia?

Tell me, who out of this group would you rather pay money to see? Fedor, Sylvia, or Anderson Silva? Two of these 3 earn there money, the other is 6'8 and boring as bat shit.



How this isn't fighter bashing is beyond me. I've seen you hate on Tim Sylvia a lot around here before. I'll say this-

First of all, for any poster here on the playground to call out a fighter is outright ridiculous. I know a lot of us around here train, but I guarantee you unless Arlovski, Big Nog, Fedor, Frank Mir or Couture is one of the posters almost everyone else would get their ass kicked by Tim Sylvia. He's lost to those 5 guys, and had his arm broken by Frank Mir for the technical submission (still wanted to continue, I might add) I'd love to see you run into Tim Sylvia on a street corner and summon those apparently gigantic e-balls to say what you're saying now to his face. Because what you're doing is 100% disrespect. Granted, I'd fight him too for $800,000 but I'd be humbled in doing so and wouldn't for a second think I stood a chance. That coming from a guy who's been training seriously for years now along side several UFC and other top organization fighters.

That point aside- Yes, Tim Sylvia can be a boring fighter. His style is for some, but not for all. No person can argue the fact that he has stepped into the Octagon against the cream of the crop competition. He was well on his way to a decision victory or possible KO of Big Nog at that. You don't like his style- fine. Leave it at that. What kind of authority are you on matters to consider whether or not he's got what it takes to be in the big rings against the top competition? I'm sure Arlovski could tell you about how dangerous Tim Sylvia can be (2x), and how about Monson? Ricco Rodriguez? Or any one of the 26 PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS he has fought and beat. (17 of whom he's KO'd)

I understand people don't like to look at a tall, goofy looking, fat around the mid-section fighter who uses reach and size to his advantage. Give the man his credit for God's sake, though! He's done well for himself and he's overcome serious obstacles to get where he is. Calling him out on the internet just makes you look ignorant and spiteful. If that's the impression you want to give to others, then fine... but I'd seriously suggest you rehash your wording so you don't get banned or assume the role of town idiot.



I say what comes to mind, and for that i have been called the town idiot by a few people, but others do tend to agree with what i haev to say.

I am spiteful, that a bloke who is only winning fights because of his reach and size is earning $800,000 for losing in 38 seconds. Whats not to be spiteful about?

how can you say he was ON HIS WAY to beating big nog? A possible KO? It was also POSSIBLE that a light falls off the roof and cracks Tim on the head, but it doesnt mean its LIKELY to happen. In fighting, the only thing that counts is who wins at the end, not who was WINNING. Bring me Tim Sylvia and i will say what i want to his face. You can say im just being a keyboard warrior, but im just saying what i feel, not puting on a facade or anything of the sort. Call me what you like, im stickin to my guns, and my feelings wont change.

Im not the sort of person that automaticlly hands out respect to anyone who steps into the ring or octagon to fight. You have to earn respect in my eyes, and you do that by puting on a show, puting up a good fight. Tim Sylvia hasnt done this for a long time. This is why i hate on him. Look at the facts to back it up and you'll see this isnt jsut opinion, its fact.
poll77
7/21/08 11:28:58PM

Posted by big_timmy

I would LOVE the chance to fight Tim Sylvia. And i'd do it for free. Shit, i'd take him on any street corner, cage, ring, yamma pit, tree top, circus tent, anywhere.

It bothers me that this guy who isnt that good a fighter gets paid $800,000 when you got lower level fighters puting on good shows for the people and they get nothing but bread. Fair enough thats how business works, but i just dont understand how Tim Sylvia is pulling in this cash when he hasnt even put up a fight for a long time now.

I guess it pays big time to have your manager as an upper managment type.

What happened to Fedor asking over 2 millions wasnt it?

In my eyes, if your Fedor, you can ask what ever you want for a fight, same with Anderson Silva. These guys will give you a show. But how do these 2 fighters, Fedor and Silva, walk away after this weekend with their money COMBINED less than Sylvia?

Tell me, who out of this group would you rather pay money to see? Fedor, Sylvia, or Anderson Silva? Two of these 3 earn there money, the other is 6'8 and boring as bat shit.




how can you say he is not a very good fighter??? he has been the UFC champion-maybe not the best in the world nonetheless, he is still a pretty damn good fighter. if you think you are so good why don't you go try to fight some people and work your way up to timmy...and then go home crying to your mommy.
Jackelope
7/21/08 11:35:40PM

Posted by big_timmy

I say what comes to mind, and for that i have been called the town idiot by a few people, but others do tend to agree with what i haev to say.

I am spiteful, that a bloke who is only winning fights because of his reach and size is earning $800,000 for losing in 38 seconds. Whats not to be spiteful about?

how can you say he was ON HIS WAY to beating big nog? A possible KO? It was also POSSIBLE that a light falls off the roof and cracks Tim on the head, but it doesnt mean its LIKELY to happen. In fighting, the only thing that counts is who wins at the end, not who was WINNING. Bring me Tim Sylvia and i will say what i want to his face. You can say im just being a keyboard warrior, but im just saying what i feel, not puting on a facade or anything of the sort. Call me what you like, im stickin to my guns, and my feelings wont change.

Im not the sort of person that automaticlly hands out respect to anyone who steps into the ring or octagon to fight. You have to earn respect in my eyes, and you do that by puting on a show, puting up a good fight. Tim Sylvia hasnt done this for a long time. This is why i hate on him. Look at the facts to back it up and you'll see this isnt jsut opinion, its fact.




So-

1) You're spiteful that Tim Sylvia made 800k for a few seconds of fighting.

I guess that 800k came out of your pocket? That's the only way I could see this mattering. It's a fight, fighters negotiate with managers and promotions for their contract before they fight. He obviously was managed well and earned himself a good contract. Hooray for him. That's like hating on the guy at the club who picks up the hot girl because he had the game to talk himself up. Quit being a hater and celebrate in the fact that fighter paydays are going up. This is good for everyone in the sport.

2) You don't think he was on his way to winning a decision or possibly KO'ing Big Nog

This leads me to believe you must have missed that fight. Tim was putting a brutal beating on Nog for the majority of that fight until he slipped up and got caught. Mad props to Big Nog for getting it done (he's one of my favorite fighters, and that is his style of fighting) but the likelihood of Tim scoring a decision win or a KO was much, much, much, much higher than that of a light falling off the ceiling.

In the end, yes.. the W is all that matters. I can tell you about fights I've personally had where even though I came out with the W I was under no false pretenses that I hadn't had my ass kicked throughout the majority of the fight.

3) You'd still say what you say over the internet to Tim's face, and you're carrying some kind of baggage against the world that prevents you from giving respect where respect is due. Either that or you haven't put the hours upon hours in at the MMA gym to understand what goes into a fight.

That's fine. For the first portion- you'd get KO'd and everyone would stand there saying


"Well, that's what happens when you talk shit to a UFC Champion and one of the top 10 heavyweights in the world"


For the second portion- that's fine as well. You can disrespect people until they've "earned" your respect. Just know that in turn people will disrespect you the same. You're probably fine with that, too. I just hope your physical head is as hard as your emotional head because I could see Tim Sylvia putting a 1, 2 right through the front of it should you ever meet him on the street

Another thing- judging by the fact that you sound like you're probably a big guy, and your myspace page says you're 6'5- who are you to say anything about using size and reach to win fights? You've probably been getting by with that your whole life and you just don't realize it. Just something to think about next time before you bash on someone you don't even know and what he's done for this great sport.
big_timmy
7/21/08 11:39:14PM
He has been UFC champion yes, but so was Ricco. Tim hasnt done anything of note for the past year and a half. Struggled to do anything against Monson who is a foot shorter than him, lost to Randy which is fair enough, layed on Vera for 2 rounds for a decision, lost to big nog, lost to fedor in 36 seconds. 6 of his last 8 fights have gone to decision.

Its right there for anyone to see. Its not fighter bashing when its in the facts.

Lets be honest, this isnt really going anywhere. I've had my say, you've had yours. Lets put an end to this before it gets too heated.
warglory
7/21/08 11:40:51PM

Posted by big_timmy


Posted by Jackelope


Posted by big_timmy

I would LOVE the chance to fight Tim Sylvia. And i'd do it for free. Shit, i'd take him on any street corner, cage, ring, yamma pit, tree top, circus tent, anywhere.

It bothers me that this guy who isnt that good a fighter gets paid $800,000 when you got lower level fighters puting on good shows for the people and they get nothing but bread. Fair enough thats how business works, but i just dont understand how Tim Sylvia is pulling in this cash when he hasnt even put up a fight for a long time now.

I guess it pays big time to have your manager as an upper managment type.

What happened to Fedor asking over 2 millions wasnt it?

In my eyes, if your Fedor, you can ask what ever you want for a fight, same with Anderson Silva. These guys will give you a show. But how do these 2 fighters, Fedor and Silva, walk away after this weekend with their money COMBINED less than Sylvia?

Tell me, who out of this group would you rather pay money to see? Fedor, Sylvia, or Anderson Silva? Two of these 3 earn there money, the other is 6'8 and boring as bat shit.



How this isn't fighter bashing is beyond me. I've seen you hate on Tim Sylvia a lot around here before. I'll say this-

First of all, for any poster here on the playground to call out a fighter is outright ridiculous. I know a lot of us around here train, but I guarantee you unless Arlovski, Big Nog, Fedor, Frank Mir or Couture is one of the posters almost everyone else would get their ass kicked by Tim Sylvia. He's lost to those 5 guys, and had his arm broken by Frank Mir for the technical submission (still wanted to continue, I might add) I'd love to see you run into Tim Sylvia on a street corner and summon those apparently gigantic e-balls to say what you're saying now to his face. Because what you're doing is 100% disrespect. Granted, I'd fight him too for $800,000 but I'd be humbled in doing so and wouldn't for a second think I stood a chance. That coming from a guy who's been training seriously for years now along side several UFC and other top organization fighters.

That point aside- Yes, Tim Sylvia can be a boring fighter. His style is for some, but not for all. No person can argue the fact that he has stepped into the Octagon against the cream of the crop competition. He was well on his way to a decision victory or possible KO of Big Nog at that. You don't like his style- fine. Leave it at that. What kind of authority are you on matters to consider whether or not he's got what it takes to be in the big rings against the top competition? I'm sure Arlovski could tell you about how dangerous Tim Sylvia can be (2x), and how about Monson? Ricco Rodriguez? Or any one of the 26 PROFESSIONAL FIGHTERS he has fought and beat. (17 of whom he's KO'd)

I understand people don't like to look at a tall, goofy looking, fat around the mid-section fighter who uses reach and size to his advantage. Give the man his credit for God's sake, though! He's done well for himself and he's overcome serious obstacles to get where he is. Calling him out on the internet just makes you look ignorant and spiteful. If that's the impression you want to give to others, then fine... but I'd seriously suggest you rehash your wording so you don't get banned or assume the role of town idiot.



I say what comes to mind, and for that i have been called the town idiot by a few people, but others do tend to agree with what i haev to say.

I am spiteful, that a bloke who is only winning fights because of his reach and size is earning $800,000 for losing in 38 seconds. Whats not to be spiteful about?

how can you say he was ON HIS WAY to beating big nog? A possible KO? It was also POSSIBLE that a light falls off the roof and cracks Tim on the head, but it doesnt mean its LIKELY to happen. In fighting, the only thing that counts is who wins at the end, not who was WINNING. Bring me Tim Sylvia and i will say what i want to his face. You can say im just being a keyboard warrior, but im just saying what i feel, not puting on a facade or anything of the sort. Call me what you like, im stickin to my guns, and my feelings wont change.

Im not the sort of person that automaticlly hands out respect to anyone who steps into the ring or octagon to fight. You have to earn respect in my eyes, and you do that by puting on a show, puting up a good fight. Tim Sylvia hasnt done this for a long time. This is why i hate on him. Look at the facts to back it up and you'll see this isnt jsut opinion, its fact.



He absolutely dominated Nog until he was subbed. This was a good fight where he laid everything on the line! He heard the criticism of his prior performances and he responded in turn. What more can you ask from the guy? You don't like his style? Fine, but Sylvia is a top 5 heavyweight who would beat just about anyone in the division including EVERY current UFC heavyweight, CroCop, and almost everybody on the Affliction card. Sylvia is still very much relevant, and with a better training camp, could potentially even beat Fedor.
Jackelope
7/21/08 11:48:48PM

Posted by big_timmy

He has been UFC champion yes, but so was Ricco. Tim hasnt done anything of note for the past year and a half. Struggled to do anything against Monson who is a foot shorter than him, lost to Randy which is fair enough, layed on Vera for 2 rounds for a decision, lost to big nog, lost to fedor in 36 seconds. 6 of his last 8 fights have gone to decision.

Its right there for anyone to see. Its not fighter bashing when its in the facts.



My assumption is now a confirmation that you know very little about fighting

1) Ricco Rodriguez was absolutely scary back when he was owning the UFC heavyweight ranks. Don't be fooled by the Ricco of today. The Ricco of yesteryear was a terror. Hell, most people think he beat Big Nog.

2) Monson is a very dangerous and very strong submission fighter who waits for you to slip up and catch you in a submission. Most people with long limbs and poor sub defense would play the same gameplan against a guy of similar stature.

3) Vera clinched with Tim because Vera broke his hand. Why the hell would Sylvia at 6'8, who's known for his distance striking want to close the distance with a superior grappler and wrestler?

Fights are two sided, buddy. You can't just lay the blame on one side. Unless you're Fedor. In the defense of Tim's opponents not making the fight more exciting- well.. you jump in there with Tim Sylvia and try to push right into his jabs and straights.

Really, you should spend some time learning MMA in a legitimate gym so you can see how ignorant some of the comments you're posting are.
jiujitsufreak74
7/21/08 11:54:04PM

Posted by Jackelope

1) Ricco Rodriguez was absolutely scary back when he was owning the UFC heavyweight ranks. Don't be fooled by the Ricco of today. The Ricco of yesteryear was a terror. Hell, most people think he beat Big Nog.




as far as i am concerned he did beat Big Nog
big_timmy
7/21/08 11:58:37PM
My comment about Ricco was centred around the fact that once a UFC champion doesnt mean that your always gonna be who you once were.

I know Monson is a good Sub fighter, but when he relys so much on takedowns and subs, and all im did was push back, and sprawl, it makes for a crap fight. Monson is a top sub fighter, and thats all.

Vera loves the clinch, and Tim being bigger than him just pushed him against the fence. Tim who has to cut weight to make 260, pushed around a guy who easily slips into LHW, that really isnt a big suprise. Vera has great kicks, and thats why tim clinched and layed on him up against the cage.

Randy did push it to tim, and thats why he beat him. Im not saying all Tim Sylvia fights are boring, because he has fought some great opponents, and they have made the fight. Im saying Tim Sylvia is boring.
Jackelope
7/22/08 12:10:20AM

Posted by big_timmy

My comment about Ricco was centred around the fact that once a UFC champion doesnt mean that your always gonna be who you once were.

I know Monson is a good Sub fighter, but when he relys so much on takedowns and subs, and all im did was push back, and sprawl, it makes for a crap fight. Monson is a top sub fighter, and thats all.

Vera loves the clinch, and Tim being bigger than him just pushed him against the fence. Tim who has to cut weight to make 260, pushed around a guy who easily slips into LHW, that really isnt a big suprise. Vera has great kicks, and thats why tim clinched and layed on him up against the cage.

Randy did push it to tim, and thats why he beat him. Im not saying all Tim Sylvia fights are boring, because he has fought some great opponents, and they have made the fight. Im saying Tim Sylvia is boring.



Alright, fair points. If you'd just leave it at that I'm fine with it.

What pisses me off is when people start complaining about fighters FINALLY getting paid a decent amount, and when people talk shit about a fighter and make ludicrous claims that they would do better than them or that they would actually win in a fight against said fighter. For one fighter bashing is against forum code of conduct, and for two it's like I said earlier- He may not have the best style for excitement but give a man his proper dues when he's trained hard for years on end to reach a high level of the fight game.

And about the Vera thing- I think we saw in this last Reese Andy fight that you can't blame the clinch on Sylvia 100%.

By the way- I'm glad we could have this discussion without spiralling towards ridiculous insults

big_timmy
7/22/08 12:17:23AM
No point arguing with insults. It jsut proves you've got holes you need to fill. I dont mind having an argument if both parties have valid points.

The thing about Tim Sylvia getting paid all that money is, yes its good fighters are getting recogniton finally, but i dont think Tim Sylvia should be the place to start. Like i said, Fedor and Silva walk away with a combined amount that is less than Sylvia? I think thats just wrong.

Fedor and Spida put on shows, and they take the fight to their opponents in a way that is hard to dislike. Thats why i think Sylvia is overpaid, when these other types of fighters dont get nearly that amount.
MMA4EVER
7/22/08 12:27:53AM
crocop would lay out tim sylvia with a headkick end of story
big_timmy
7/22/08 12:29:36AM
relevance?
SpiderSilva
7/22/08 1:11:43AM
well lets see he was getting paid vary well in the UFC and Im sure they were offering him pretty good money before he leftand to pull people away you offer more and that what he got a lot more I really can't remember any losing fighter being paid that much
Svartorm
7/22/08 3:08:20AM
Tim is worth $800,000 to fight for the same reason Brock Lesnar was worth $250,000 for his first fight. The casual MMA fan (i.e UFC fan) doesn't know who Fedor is. They DO know Big Tim, and having seen this pudgy Russian absolutely annihilate him in record time will turn their attention to Fedor, making his name worth something in the US to the casual fans. I'm sure if Mike Tyson stepped up and signed a contract with an MMA promotion, he'd making easily $500,000 for a fight, just because he brings a name and people would want to see what happened to him.
hails
7/22/08 5:18:23AM
Wow!!!

This is one of the best threads I've seen on the Playground!!!

Props to the mods for not deleting this thread!!!

No doubt if these things were said about Randy this thread would of been deleted before the ink had set!!!

Big Timmy I suggest that you look into Randy's record!!! It is even more interesting than Tim's!!! I look forward to that thread and seeing how long it lasts. Consider this a challenge!!!
Purge
7/22/08 8:21:16AM
Doesn't matter I severily doubt Sylvia will be fighting for such cash anytime soon. His is currently 1-3 and there's no way in hell he's beating Arlovski to get back on track. If I were Monte Cox, his manager, id send him to Eltexc or DREAM, both need some more HWs.
big_timmy
7/22/08 9:32:34AM
Hails, i have no real problem with Randy. Other than the fact he pussed out on giving the fans what they deserve and becoming greedy, but i cant complain otherwise.

My beef is solely with Tim Sylvia, and the lack of like i have for the man. I think all sides have had their fair say.
jkdskinhead
7/22/08 12:36:55PM

Posted by Jackelope


Posted by big_timmy

He has been UFC champion yes, but so was Ricco. Tim hasnt done anything of note for the past year and a half. Struggled to do anything against Monson who is a foot shorter than him, lost to Randy which is fair enough, layed on Vera for 2 rounds for a decision, lost to big nog, lost to fedor in 36 seconds. 6 of his last 8 fights have gone to decision.

Its right there for anyone to see. Its not fighter bashing when its in the facts.



My assumption is now a confirmation that you know very little about fighting

1) Ricco Rodriguez was absolutely scary back when he was owning the UFC heavyweight ranks. Don't be fooled by the Ricco of today. The Ricco of yesteryear was a terror. Hell, most people think he beat Big Nog.

2) Monson is a very dangerous and very strong submission fighter who waits for you to slip up and catch you in a submission. Most people with long limbs and poor sub defense would play the same gameplan against a guy of similar stature.

3) Vera clinched with Tim because Vera broke his hand. Why the hell would Sylvia at 6'8, who's known for his distance striking want to close the distance with a superior grappler and wrestler?

Fights are two sided, buddy. You can't just lay the blame on one side. Unless you're Fedor. In the defense of Tim's opponents not making the fight more exciting- well.. you jump in there with Tim Sylvia and try to push right into his jabs and straights.

Really, you should spend some time learning MMA in a legitimate gym so you can see how ignorant some of the comments you're posting are.



1) Ricco was never scary.. I actually dont know much about him today, but I have seen all his old fights. He was always boring, he always gased out, and he always had nothing in his bag except a submission.

2) This fight was just silly.. its obvious to anyone that knows fighting that Monson is a better P4P fighter.. way better. The only reason Tim won is because he was big. Thats like becoming president because your last name is Bush. Yeah I can understand Tim keeping him away on the ground.. but in the standup there was no reason for Tim not to try to get the KO.. its not like Monson was gonna try a flying armbar. Tim was just doing what he does and clinging to his victories without caring about the fans.

3) No.. Vera kept opening up with strikes.. everytime there was an exchange Tim said "oh no!", tied Vera up and put him against the cage for the rest of the round. Im sorry but I think Tim should have got yellow cards in that fight for his antics. The rules say you gotta fight. Holding someone down and not fighting is just pathetic.

I dont blame it on other fighters, I saw Vera taking it to Tim the whole fight, only to have Tim use his size to hold Vera against the cage.

As for Nog.. theres no such thing as winning a fight. You win or you dont win. Anyone can say.. yea I would have won if only this didint happen, or I had done this instead. Hell Tim Sylvia could have been winning the Fedor fight up untill the point where Fedor threw a punch. A fight comes out to who was the smarter man.. who pulled out the technique that won the fight. There is no such thing as winning a fight, because the whole fight was leading up to the point of victory.. Nog was winning the fight from beggining to end, because the whole fight was leading to his submission victory.


About Randy..

Do I think hes better then Tim, oh yes, and ten fold.. Do I think he Deserves his ranking? No, not at all. His record speaks for itself, not to mention on that record, he really hasnt faced alot of good heavyweights. I dont see how people rank him number one or number two on their heavyweight list, when he has only beatin Gabe, and Tim. Heck he lost to Josh B. way back when Josh sucked, and they have Josh way down on their lists, when Josh actaully fights top heavyweights. I dont see how a guy can be ranked number two in HW, when he hasnt even fought a couple people in the top 5 or maybe even 10.
Buddharox
7/22/08 12:44:33PM
Just to get to one of your earlier points, Fedor probably gets paid more than that. It was like the Pride US shows, the numbers released were pretty low, but most likely fighters got paid more.

As for hating Tim, you don't have any right to critisize him unless you yourself step into the ring. He might have some boring fights, but some of his earlier fights were pretty damn exciting. I can't imagine actually hating a fighter because of his looks/style.

The only fighters that warrant such hatred are the thugs in the sport that do shit to make it look bad, or just complete clowns like Warmachine or that neo-nazi in KotC.
Aaronno9
7/22/08 1:11:13PM

Posted by big_timmy

I would LOVE the chance to fight Tim Sylvia. And i'd do it for free. Shit, i'd take him on any street corner, cage, ring, yamma pit, tree top, circus tent, anywhere.




I hope for your sake you never get that chance. You might last the same time as Tim did against Fedor (divided by 10) before you where unconscious.


Tim is no joke. Hes a good fighter, and his record backs that up. I agree with whoever said if somebody started a thread talking that much smack about randy it would be deleted. Tim deserves so much more respect than he gets.


I mean look at his losses, you've got

Frank Mir who was on top of his game when he beat tim

AA, Who Tim beat twice in turn
Big nog(gained more respect from me in loosing that fight that he would of if hed won a boring decision, he was picking nog apart)
fedor (nothing needs to be said about loosing to the best hw in the world by a longshot
randy (a fight which he took with a bad back injury).

Youv got a whos who of HWs their, excuses or no excuses.
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