Submissions or Knock-outs?

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POLL: Submissions vs Knock-outs
Submissions 41% (19)
Knock-outs 59% (27)
Ultimate_fighter
6/22/07 4:24:15PM
Which do u perfer?
loller90278
6/22/07 4:26:25PM
i'd prefer submissions if they're well executed (like din thomas' arm bar and nick diaz's gogoplata) more than the average KO.
pv3Hpv3p
6/22/07 4:34:21PM
The way I see it...

The KO highlights the brutal, strength driven part of MMA

And the Sub highlights more of the art that's involved in the sport.

While a standing KO can really get your adrenaline pumping, there is something just so sweet about a great sub like Hughes's armbar on GSP or Aoki gogoing Hansen..

I guess to answer your question, I chose the KO, because it gets me fired up... But I wouldn't trade a Saku / Newton fight for all the KO's in the world.
AmericanFighterAce
6/22/07 4:48:19PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p

The way I see it...

The KO highlights the brutal, strength driven part of MMA

And the Sub highlights more of the art that's involved in the sport.

While a standing KO can really get your adrenaline pumping, there is something just so sweet about a great sub like Hughes's armbar on GSP or Aoki gogoing Hansen..

I guess to answer your question, I chose the KO, because it gets me fired up... But I wouldn't trade a Saku / Newton fight for all the KO's in the world.



See Knock-Outs, can get stopped early enough that are not that exciting (see Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock) where in which someone can be defending themselves but not doing anything and the fight gets called a Knockout.

If it is a brutal GabeGo headkick to the grill of Mirko, I'll take it.

But Submissions are a lot harder to accomplish than Knockouts, it actually a lot of practice and skill to put in a very good submisson. You can get lucky with some punches with the fighters punch, but with a Submission it takes a little more skill than a Knockout.

My vote- Submission
richieb19
6/22/07 5:08:54PM
I'm a judo player, and a life-time grappling fan... so you know I gotta go with the sub!
spider1179
6/22/07 5:18:25PM
I would have to agree that KO's can really get your blood pumping. However, good grappling followed by a great armbar, gogo, kneebar, ect. is the most beautiful part of MMA. There is just nothing better than the guy on bottom seeing an opening and quickly slapping his opponent in a triangle and good night.
blkssncpt
6/22/07 5:23:50PM

Posted by pv3Hpv3p

The way I see it...

The KO highlights the brutal, strength driven part of MMA

And the Sub highlights more of the art that's involved in the sport.

While a standing KO can really get your adrenaline pumping, there is something just so sweet about a great sub like Hughes's armbar on GSP or Aoki gogoing Hansen..

I guess to answer your question, I chose the KO, because it gets me fired up... But I wouldn't trade a Saku / Newton fight for all the KO's in the world.



your absolutely right the Art and the Brutal Drive....
But i'd have to give it to the knock out some get stopped prematurely (ortiz vs Shamrock) but for the casual fan that doesnt really know what to look for in a good ground and submission game it would have be the KO. personally i love both but id prefer the KO
cincyassasin
6/22/07 5:35:13PM
Subs all day......Anybody can throw a bomb but it takes some skill to pull off a submission.
Mastodon2
6/22/07 6:41:11PM

Posted by cincyassasin

Subs all day......Anybody can throw a bomb but it takes some skill to pull off a submission.



You cannot totally undersell KOs like that, though I will admit there is a difference between just smashing your fists into someones head and actually KOing them with skill.

Look at Houston Alexander, when he KO'd Jardine it was just an ugly mess of raging, wild punches trying to bomb Jardine out. Compare that with say, Cro Cop's KO of Mark Coleman, where he didnt waste a punch, sniping targets alloever Coleman's body to open up his chin, then one perfectly timed punch square on the chin to put Mark away. There is a difference between the two styles, the first anyone with heavy hands can do, the second takes real skill and years of practice.

For me, I like the KO, I like that immense rush that makes me fly out of my seat and scream at my TV, like when Rampage KO'd Chuck in a beautiful fashion.

However, when a PPV is all KOs and TKOs I feel cheated - I like Submissions too. Having trained in Judo when I was younger, I have a great appreciation for the finesse of submissions, and at the same time a little bit of contempt for those armchair warriors that scoff "I cant believe he didnt see THAT triangle coming!" etc, because unless you've trained in it and had fights involving it, the submission game is more complex than you'd imagine.

When it comes down to it, when Im watching a PPV, I like to see a few good subs and a few good KOs. A sloppy sub that gets a win is just as unfullfilling as seeing a crude KO.
papercut
6/22/07 6:48:02PM
I prefer subs because with alot of submissions you need strength to overpower your opponent to get it locked in and theres more skill in subs not that there isn't in a KO but being able to transfer from one submission to another just seems more skillful
DJDark41
6/22/07 9:06:58PM
I prefer to watch knockouts, but if I was gonna stop a guy I'd choose submission. Just the thought that I put my opponent in so much pain, they literally had to beg the ref to stop the fight...Well it helps me sleep at night.
Ultimate_fighter
6/23/07 11:34:30AM
I say submission, so sweet how they get in and out of them, knockouts aren't that great for me...
Chec22
6/23/07 4:13:48PM
I went with submission. KO's are fun but what really makes MMA is softening the opponent up with some striking, then the takedown and some ground and pound. Then good night tough guy.
madmarck
6/23/07 10:24:53PM
I cannot vote. I simply like the finish. No matter what it is. IF a fighter KO's or subs another i have no preference.
crimethinc
6/24/07 1:10:10PM
Submissions or KO's are most exciting when they come out of nowhere. Ko's like Sell Vs. Smith really get my blood pumping. But Subs like a Chonan Vs. Silva flying scissor heel hook have the same effect. If I had to choose, it would be KO's as a personal preference. Mainly because I'm a mediocre ground guy at best myself.
jeremygreen
6/24/07 1:53:31PM
Knockouts hands down, nothing more exciting than a knockout, it's the apex of any fight if it happens
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iwannabesedated
6/24/07 7:56:14PM
i voted KO just cause to me they can be more shocking..like CC GG fight who saw that coming...You can always see when a fighter is working for a submission..dont get me wrong some subs can come out of nowhere...but to say i knocked his ass out is always good..but then again...you can always say well i broke his arm...or choked him out...so i dunno....im changing my vote to decisions..hahaha
nibrack11
6/24/07 8:34:49PM
i prefer KOs because i think its cool when the other guy is just laying there and they get hit like 5 more times and hes limp.
Piccosaur
6/24/07 8:43:28PM
Whoa I can't believe the polls are so close. Not taking anything away from grapplers but I live for the KO and I thought most people felt the same way.
Naturaldisaster
11/20/07 7:55:28AM
I agree with what Krazy Horse says about ko's and submissions. KO's may look pretty but any one can KO someone, but it actually takes skill to pull off submissions
MMAFightClothes
11/20/07 1:01:31PM
I like a well done submission just as much as a well done knockout.
DCRage
11/20/07 1:08:33PM
KOs. Nothing can really match the impact of that perfect punch or kick that puts the other guy down for the count. Also I love the crowd reactions to said strikes.
cowcatcher
11/20/07 1:16:59PM
ill take a ko over a sub, but the transitions to subs, especially complex subs, are really fun to watch.
KeNn
11/20/07 7:37:20PM
I picked KO.

But Submissions are great.


Now a quality K.O is 5th round title shot, and a kick to the jaw.
that's what I love about K.O'S.

Submissions are better any other reason 1-4th rounds.
alot more entertaining, just for the last little bit of the fight, it's nice to see the two guys just stand up and brawl it out till K.O
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