Posted by grappler0000
Posted by ohiostate1016
Still gotta say Royce...he didn't even think about striking, he just went in there trying to submit every single guy.
But he's not even the best Gracie to have fought.
That's true, but I think he used subs in MMA as well as any of them. If you're talking just sub talent then there are different contests to determine that. Ricco might beat Big Nog in ADCC but it doesn't mean he can pull of the same subs in MMA. A guy like Arona was the #1 sub grappler in the world and he doesn't submit anyone.
I'm not saying there isn't an argument for Rickson or even Renzo, just that Royce can't be dismissed because he would lose to those guys.