Posted by BlueSkiesBurn
Why is Roy Nelson going to be a non-factor? Too many people dismiss Nelson. It's gotten to the point where I'm sort of getting offended for him. He's an accomplished fighter who's proven time and time again that he belongs.
Posted by gartface
Posted by BlueSkiesBurn
Why is Roy Nelson going to be a non-factor? Too many people dismiss Nelson. It's gotten to the point where I'm sort of getting offended for him. He's an accomplished fighter who's proven time and time again that he belongs.
I completely agree. I think yet another case of judging a book by its cover. Just because the guy doesn't have the best physique and has somewhat of a humorous attitude, doesn't mean he's going to be a non-factor. The guy has proven in the past that he has a completely legitimate ground game and is adding a power overhand right to his arsenal, just ask Brendan Schaub and Stefan Struve. He has highly controversial losses to Ben Rothwell, Jeff Monson, and Andrei Arlovski. He's going to open your eyes along with every other doubters' eyes, win or lose in August.
It's amazing to think just after losing a fight to Shane Carwin, that Frank Mir is suddenly a "tomato can?" Give me a break, he ran into a wrecking ball that almost dethroned Brock Lesnar. What about Nogueira, Rothwell, and even Struve down the line? There's a lot of promise in this division down the line. I'd say it's a lot more stacked from top to bottom than the welterweight division is. Most of the divisions within the UFC are very top heavy, with dominant champions like GSP and Anderson, but you look at the 205 and heavyweight divisions, and you see a depth of competition.
As for the heavyweights I'd like to see, I'd most definitely like to see Dave Herman make his way, and Werdum back in the UFC.
Posted by Cdellorso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNCyOwms4tk
Roy is not to be underrated... he just cant compete with the likes of Lessnar carwin valesquez's wrestling - untill he loses a bit of the gut - check this video out he has the skillz he just wouldnt be able to get up with any of these 3 guys on top of him, with all theat weight...
he has the shirt on hiding the belly but its still not as big as it is now...
as far as the top 5s? I like Fedor still on top even though he lost but answer this or give me better matchups or results
1. Fedor Emelianenko VS Brock Lesnar
2. Fabricio Werdum VS Big Nog
3. Brett Rogers VS Frank mir
4. Alistar Overeem VS Cain Valezques
5. Antonio Silva VS Shane Carwin
Posted by TheGodfather1024
Dana is a bitch if he doesn't want Fedor anymore after that one loss....IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. Fedor's fight was like Brock's fight to Frank Mir the first time. Dana is foolish for all the **** he has said.
Posted by seanfu
Posted by gartface
Posted by BlueSkiesBurn
Why is Roy Nelson going to be a non-factor? Too many people dismiss Nelson. It's gotten to the point where I'm sort of getting offended for him. He's an accomplished fighter who's proven time and time again that he belongs.
I completely agree. I think yet another case of judging a book by its cover. Just because the guy doesn't have the best physique and has somewhat of a humorous attitude, doesn't mean he's going to be a non-factor. The guy has proven in the past that he has a completely legitimate ground game and is adding a power overhand right to his arsenal, just ask Brendan Schaub and Stefan Struve. He has highly controversial losses to Ben Rothwell, Jeff Monson, and Andrei Arlovski. He's going to open your eyes along with every other doubters' eyes, win or lose in August.
It's amazing to think just after losing a fight to Shane Carwin, that Frank Mir is suddenly a "tomato can?" Give me a break, he ran into a wrecking ball that almost dethroned Brock Lesnar. What about Nogueira, Rothwell, and even Struve down the line? There's a lot of promise in this division down the line. I'd say it's a lot more stacked from top to bottom than the welterweight division is. Most of the divisions within the UFC are very top heavy, with dominant champions like GSP and Anderson, but you look at the 205 and heavyweight divisions, and you see a depth of competition.
As for the heavyweights I'd like to see, I'd most definitely like to see Dave Herman make his way, and Werdum back in the UFC.
Actually he just beat a 24 year old tall kickboxer who is largely untested. So congrats Nelson.
Posted by warglory
He beat a guy on a 3 fight win streak, which included a beatdown of Paul Buentello. It's disrespectful to dismiss Nelson's achievements.
Posted by BlueSkiesBurn
Why is Roy Nelson going to be a non-factor? Too many people dismiss Nelson. It's gotten to the point where I'm sort of getting offended for him. He's an accomplished fighter who's proven time and time again that he belongs.
Posted by warglory
Posted by Cdellorso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNCyOwms4tk
Roy is not to be underrated... he just cant compete with the likes of Lessnar carwin valesquez's wrestling - untill he loses a bit of the gut - check this video out he has the skillz he just wouldnt be able to get up with any of these 3 guys on top of him, with all theat weight...
he has the shirt on hiding the belly but its still not as big as it is now...
as far as the top 5s? I like Fedor still on top even though he lost but answer this or give me better matchups or results
1. Fedor Emelianenko VS Brock Lesnar
2. Fabricio Werdum VS Big Nog
3. Brett Rogers VS Frank mir
4. Alistar Overeem VS Cain Valezques
5. Antonio Silva VS Shane Carwin
What does his gut have to do with it?
Posted by jarod1005
Posted by BlueSkiesBurn
Why is Roy Nelson going to be a non-factor? Too many people dismiss Nelson. It's gotten to the point where I'm sort of getting offended for him. He's an accomplished fighter who's proven time and time again that he belongs.
He is a non-factor! Nelson is decent, but will never be a force in the division. He has blemishes on his record to Monson and Arlovski. Steffan Struve is a tall, and lanky kid, who is basically, overall, inexperienced. He was a small-looking 248 lbs. because of his height. He will need every bit of 265 if wants to compete in the division.
I remember watching the fight, and after, Rogan said that Nelson is the real deal. No doubt, but Struve was way overmatched. Nelson was even my pick to win TUF, because had vast more experience than anyone there.
Roy has never really beaten anyone. He has a streak of wins when he was in the IFL, and some before IFL, but no one special. He was tested against Monson and Arlovski, and he failed. If he is fortunate to get past Junior dos Santos, then, I will have some respect.
Somehow, I don't see that happening.
Posted by BlueSkiesBurn
Posted by jarod1005
Posted by BlueSkiesBurn
Why is Roy Nelson going to be a non-factor? Too many people dismiss Nelson. It's gotten to the point where I'm sort of getting offended for him. He's an accomplished fighter who's proven time and time again that he belongs.
He is a non-factor! Nelson is decent, but will never be a force in the division. He has blemishes on his record to Monson and Arlovski. Steffan Struve is a tall, and lanky kid, who is basically, overall, inexperienced. He was a small-looking 248 lbs. because of his height. He will need every bit of 265 if wants to compete in the division.
I remember watching the fight, and after, Rogan said that Nelson is the real deal. No doubt, but Struve was way overmatched. Nelson was even my pick to win TUF, because had vast more experience than anyone there.
Roy has never really beaten anyone. He has a streak of wins when he was in the IFL, and some before IFL, but no one special. He was tested against Monson and Arlovski, and he failed. If he is fortunate to get past Junior dos Santos, then, I will have some respect.
Somehow, I don't see that happening.
I also believe that Roy was winning that fight against Arlovski before one of the dumbest stand-ups in MMA history.
Posted by jarod1005
The 5 fighters that I mentioned can beat any of the recycled heavyweights in the UFC.
Posted by gspfan
Posted by jarod1005
The 5 fighters that I mentioned can beat any of the recycled heavyweights in the UFC.
You state this as fact. Where is the proof?
Posted by gspfan
Styles make fights. MMAth doesn't work.
Posted by jarod1005
Posted by gspfan
Styles make fights. MMAth doesn't work.
Well, there are no more styles to make after Lesnar vs. Velasquez, except the winner fighting dos Santos; Carwin is heavily in that mix also.
Posted by jarod1005
Bring in all of the fighters that I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, and you will most certainly see, and have, a more vigorous, and dynamic HEAVYWEIGHT divison.
"March 16th, Mike Tyson [vs.] Razor Ruddock, Razor Ruddock dies. If he doesn't die, it doesn't count. If he's not dead, it doesn't count." - Mike Tyson
Posted by jarod1005
The bottom line is that I only see 4 competive fighters, so that makes for 2 interesting fights. Now, the winner of those [2] fights, fight each other. So you have one champion, who will dominate the rest of the divsion for 2 or more years.
Please tell me what is so interesting and competitive about the heavyweight divsion? Just give me some tangible UFC fighters who can be Carwin, Velasquez, dos Santos and Lesnar, for the next two years.