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POLL: Worth Watching?
Looks awesome 47% (31)
Looks ok 27% (18)
Looks kinda dumb 6% (4)
Looks like a waste of time 5% (3)
jakeiceman only noticed it because Liddell is in it 15% (10)
king_katool
5/7/09 12:29:17AM
i enjoy watching the show but agree with you guys that the tests are serious flawed, they're many aspects not taken in consideration, one question i have is if they did this past episode(***** vs yakuza) gangstyle well what happens in the second round with whoever the ***** faces? are we going to see 5 pirates vs 5 *****??
Svartorm
5/7/09 1:46:06AM
I don't think its a tournament, but just stand-alone showdowns. A tournament would make no sense, considering the next round is Green Berets vs. Spetznas, as whoever wins that would win the entire thing. There would be no point in having a Green Beret fighting a Samurai, or anyone else considering ti would be over the second the trigger was pulled.
hippysmacker
5/7/09 4:23:48AM
I would like to sea a Delta force guy vs a navy seal. That would be interesting .
Jackelope
5/7/09 9:47:49AM
I thought the Yakuza vs. ***** episode was pretty cool, actually. The way they did the last fight scene was pretty cool. Well, at least I enjoyed watching the dude get hit upside the head by the baseball bat I really don't know that a Mafioso could beat a Yakuza in a hand to hand battle knife vs. Sais, but meh... it wasn't bad
MMA
5/7/09 10:54:10AM
I kind of wish they would have a total mismatch episode just to see how a primitive warrior would get absolutely slaughtered by a more technologically advanced one.
cmill21
5/7/09 3:00:26PM
Spetznaz vs Green Beret....Spetznaz allllll the way.
Jackelope
5/7/09 5:23:15PM

Posted by cmill21

Spetznaz vs Green Beret....Spetznaz allllll the way.



And you call people traitorous swine for rooting against Crocop!

Green Berets in any fair land match will absolutely destroy Spetsnaz. I could tell you all the reasons why, but then I'd have to kill you
cmill21
5/7/09 5:54:17PM
I think they should just let the guys who come in and lend their "expertise" fight to the death....that'd be a huuuuuge hit lol.
king_katool
5/7/09 9:58:43PM

Posted by Svartorm

I don't think its a tournament, but just stand-alone showdowns. A tournament would make no sense, considering the next round is Green Berets vs. Spetznas, as whoever wins that would win the entire thing. There would be no point in having a Green Beret fighting a Samurai, or anyone else considering ti would be over the second the trigger was pulled.



really? i always assumed a tournament style, i mean now the show means nothing to me, if it only one and done their match-ups suck ass, i mean viking vs gladiator, ninja vs apache(sp), knight vs samurai, and i agree it pointless having a beret fighting a samurai ive been wondering how they would do that but i guess i have my answer....they wont..... my interest in this show just plummeted
mkiv9secsupra
5/8/09 12:41:19AM
Damn, I just thought of something!! They should've done 007 vs Jason Bourne!!!!!
Svartorm
5/8/09 9:30:45AM

Posted by hippysmacker

I would like to sea a Delta force guy vs a navy seal. That would be interesting .



Not really bro. Delta are something else. One of my best friends was on SEAL team 3 for 13 years. He's, hands down, the most dangerous guy I've ever met, and he says Delta guys are ******* killers. That's scary to hear from a guy like that.
GregJackson
5/8/09 10:00:14AM
I thought it was weird that a ***** soldier would only go into battle with an ice pick. The ending scene was so sick though, how he stabbed him in the arm, then just placed the icepick in his neck. Mafioso FTW

Svartorm
5/8/09 11:58:01AM
Yeah, I thought that was slightly unfair as well. At least give him a switch blade. They used to throw people into rivers with cement shoes on as well, but you wouldn't consider cement as a weapon in combat. Just because you'd scramble someones insides with an ice pick in prison doesn't make it a combat tool.
Jackelope
5/13/09 11:47:13PM


I'm sorry, but Spetznaz would be absolutely demolished by Green Berets. There is no military on this earth more advanced, better equipped, or better trained than the U.S. People can try to convince you of it all day long, but it just isn't. If there was one more advanced (specifically- Russia's spetznaz) they would have kicked the **** out of the mujahideen in Afghanistan and then smoked us in the cold war. They didn't, though. Instead they got bogged down underfunded and ill-equipped by their own nation, and eventually outclassed by a bunch of dudes in sandals with rickety Vietnam-era weapons.

Flame away if you want.
cmill21
5/14/09 2:21:28AM

Posted by Jackelope



I'm sorry, but Spetznaz would be absolutely demolished by Green Berets. There is no military on this earth more advanced, better equipped, or better trained than the U.S. People can try to convince you of it all day long, but it just isn't. If there was one more advanced (specifically- Russia's spetznaz) they would have kicked the **** out of the mujahideen in Afghanistan and then smoked us in the cold war. They didn't, though. Instead they got bogged down underfunded and ill-equipped by their own nation, and eventually outclassed by a bunch of dudes in sandals with rickety Vietnam-era weapons.

Flame away if you want.



While I always cheer against the US, I didn't think the Spetsnaz would win, but I'm happy. Anyone have a link? I was playing hockey.
telnights
5/14/09 2:31:51AM

Posted by Jackelope



I'm sorry, but Spetznaz would be absolutely demolished by Green Berets. There is no military on this earth more advanced, better equipped, or better trained than the U.S. People can try to convince you of it all day long, but it just isn't. If there was one more advanced (specifically- Russia's spetznaz) they would have kicked the **** out of the mujahideen in Afghanistan and then smoked us in the cold war. They didn't, though. Instead they got bogged down underfunded and ill-equipped by their own nation, and eventually outclassed by a bunch of dudes in sandals with rickety Vietnam-era weapons.

Flame away if you want.



Well I enjoy the show but I agree Spetnaz wouldn't beat a team of Green Berets. There is so many things the didn't or couldn't have taken in to account. Like Body armor, air strikes, radio communication, artillery, and tactics. Those things are major part of US battle tactics. For one when the US encountered hostile forces in a small building they would have backed out and took the hole building down or used well placed Artillery strikes to meet their goal not charged head first and breaking off from the main group. This is one major issue I have with this show the other is some of the experts they use aren't what I would call true experts.
telnights
5/14/09 2:54:27AM
On a side note hippysmacker it would make for a fun show but Svartorm is right Delta guys would kill SEALs. I grew up on military bases most of my life. This is because my dad was a trainer for special forces. He trained SEALs, Delta, Green Berets, FBI, CIA, and some others I cant even think of right now in CQB and survival training. The Delta guys were by far the best I have ever seen at it. What a lot of people don't know is before you even get to be in Delta Force you must sign up but that doesn't even mean you will get to try out. The ones they let try out they put them through rougher training than the seals have and have a very high drop out rate and if you manage to make it to the end still doesn't mean you have been excepted. If you are excepted you get the joys of going through 6 more months of hardcore training (They have even a higher drop out rate here) that's even worse than the tryouts and that still barely covers all the stuff you have to learn.
ncordless
5/14/09 3:07:21AM

Posted by cmill21


Posted by Jackelope



I'm sorry, but Spetznaz would be absolutely demolished by Green Berets. There is no military on this earth more advanced, better equipped, or better trained than the U.S. People can try to convince you of it all day long, but it just isn't. If there was one more advanced (specifically- Russia's spetznaz) they would have kicked the **** out of the mujahideen in Afghanistan and then smoked us in the cold war. They didn't, though. Instead they got bogged down underfunded and ill-equipped by their own nation, and eventually outclassed by a bunch of dudes in sandals with rickety Vietnam-era weapons.

Flame away if you want.



While I always cheer against the US, I didn't think the Spetsnaz would win, but I'm happy. Anyone have a link? I was playing hockey.



... see. This is why we should annex Canada.
cmill21
5/14/09 3:26:29AM

Posted by ncordless



... see. This is why we should annex Canada.



Lol. How about Delta vs JTF2. I think we should get in on this.
mrsmiley
5/14/09 8:55:53AM
Spetz VS Green Berets was a pretty good episode I thought.
I had one major flaw with it though.

When using the hand guns they used night vision goggles.
I'm not a military expert,but wouldn't both teams have their own goggles to use?
They never even mentioned this.
They made the soldiers slap a pair on and never even delved into the subject of how different each units NVG would enhance or hamper them.

Are the NVG pretty much just universal?
I would think the Russians and Americans would have their own standards for them.
Jackelope
5/14/09 9:31:42AM

Posted by mrsmiley

Spetz VS Green Berets was a pretty good episode I thought.
I had one major flaw with it though.

When using the hand guns they used night vision goggles.
I'm not a military expert,but wouldn't both teams have their own goggles to use?
They never even mentioned this.
They made the soldiers slap a pair on and never even delved into the subject of how different each units NVG would enhance or hamper them.

Are the NVG pretty much just universal?
I would think the Russians and Americans would have their own standards for them.



The NVG's they were using were aviator NODs, and they're pretty much the best around in the U.S. military. It's what all spec ops use, unless they prefer PVS 14s (One-eyed variation) which you don't find many guys preferring over aviator NODs. We have quite a bit more access to night vision in the U.S. than other countries do just because we hvae a bigger budget for our military, but you'll find that a LOT of other militaries have access to the same night vision that we do. For a number of reasons.

I also agree that if you want to match "killing machines" up, a much better match would be Delta vs. Spetznaz. Delta's objectives are usally pretty clear cut- to kill or capture. They're only used in the rarest of instances. I had the pleasure of going after the No 2 HVT in Iraq with some Delta guys once, and man... let me tell you- those dudes are bad ass. My CSM was an 18 year Delta Force guy, 10 years of those spent on the President's 100. Those dudes are bad.

Green Berets are killing machines, don't get me wrong, but their objectives are generally based more around getting in with the local militias to spin them to our uses. There is no one better at their job. Just a few teams of Green Berets are responsible for nearly the entire taking of Afghanistan's capital. Delta is a force, Green Berets are force multipliers. That's something Spetznaz could never do with their attitudes



Svartorm
5/14/09 11:53:07AM
For point of reference, if anyone has ever seen Black Hawk Down, the two guys they drop off to defend the helicopter with the injured crew, Shughart and Gordon, were Delta Force snipers, and that scene was more or less realistic. They used all the ammo from their own rifles, sub-guns and sidearms, and were using militia guns against the guys they were fighting when they were killed. Supposedly they had a kill count into the hundreds between the two of them.
mkiv9secsupra
5/14/09 3:17:18PM
This show gets more rediculous the longer it goes. The entire "simulation" is based solely on weaponry and nothing more. Its just 2 enemies standing face to face slugging it out.

At one point during the ending simulation it showed a Green Beret sticking his M4 2 feet into the room before he entered. There isnt a single special forces group in the world who are dumb enough to do that. Its just asking to be shot....

The_Ho_Bag
5/14/09 3:52:56PM
im very mad ab this episode

1st off why was it 7/4-favor of the Russia?

that guy who stuck his gun was stupid

the berets would own them in real life, not even cool
mkiv9secsupra
5/14/09 5:20:19PM
M4a1(About 1.5 MOA,.....i believe) is about 10 times better than the AK74 Carbine(up to about 2.0 MOA)

The M24 has an MOA of .5 as compared to the Dragunov's range of 1.5-2.0 MOA?! That is sheer domination in terms of accuracy.

In terms of handguns, neither were better than eachother. It comes down to who is more proficient at using their sidearm rather than firepower.

Also the Mossberg Shotgun was not a usual offensive weapon. It was mainly used with BREACHING tactics alone. Plus it doenst jam like all these other Semi Auto Shotguns do very frequently....

Every tool the GB had was superior to everything the Spetznaz had...


Worst episode ever
The_Ho_Bag
5/14/09 5:26:11PM
^^ lmao i agree it was cool bc of the grenades aha
phil
5/20/09 4:42:36PM
those monks are insane!!!they kicked the crap out of the hawian or new zeland watever the hell they are called guys!!
papercut
5/20/09 5:47:04PM
ok so I've noticed this in other episodes but last night was a little bit more noticible. anyone else see how the mauri warriors were getting the "edge" on weapons because they were "more deadly" than the monks? I mean they tested the monk staff on clay pots for speed and accuracy but allowed the mauri to test strength. I mean of course if the bigger guy swings the weapon theres going to be more force.

and to say the monks "wouldn't kill" with their staff is just astounding to me. I don't know if anyone else has trained traditional martial arts but I have 8 years of tae kwon do and a 2nd degree black belt to go along with it and I know that the monks staff is just as deadly as the mauri staff. I don't know why but the comment of the monks staff not being deadly really irked me.

The fact that the mauri put so much power into their technique and swing that if they missed with their weapon that the monk would have a giant target to hit with any of their weapons. don't get me wrong that jade club that crushed the bull skull obviously deserved the "edge" but the staffs should have been equal and the sharktooth club wouldn't have beaten a long reach weapon such as the whip chain as easily as they thought it might.

just had to get that out.
The_Ho_Bag
5/20/09 6:26:02PM

Posted by papercut

ok so I've noticed this in other episodes but last night was a little bit more noticible. anyone else see how the mauri warriors were getting the "edge" on weapons because they were "more deadly" than the monks? I mean they tested the monk staff on clay pots for speed and accuracy but allowed the mauri to test strength. I mean of course if the bigger guy swings the weapon theres going to be more force.

and to say the monks "wouldn't kill" with their staff is just astounding to me. I don't know if anyone else has trained traditional martial arts but I have 8 years of tae kwon do and a 2nd degree black belt to go along with it and I know that the monks staff is just as deadly as the mauri staff. I don't know why but the comment of the monks staff not being deadly really irked me.

The fact that the mauri put so much power into their technique and swing that if they missed with their weapon that the monk would have a giant target to hit with any of their weapons. don't get me wrong that jade club that crushed the bull skull obviously deserved the "edge" but the staffs should have been equal and the sharktooth club wouldn't have beaten a long reach weapon such as the whip chain as easily as they thought it might.

just had to get that out.



i felt the same but the Monks did win with their dagger-type things =)
papercut
5/20/09 6:57:59PM
yeah and I'm suprised they did seeing as how only one of their weapons got the "edge"
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