Spike's Deadliest Warrior

MMAPlayground.com » Off Topic » Off Topic » Spike's Deadliest Warrior
« Previous Page | Next Page »
POLL: Worth Watching?
Looks awesome 47% (31)
Looks ok 27% (18)
Looks kinda dumb 6% (4)
Looks like a waste of time 5% (3)
jakeiceman only noticed it because Liddell is in it 15% (10)
AchillesHeel
3/17/09 11:34:38AM
I love how they head-butt each other a few times, and then lean against other to take a break. "Woah... dude, I'm diiizzzzzzy..."
Jackelope
4/8/09 10:00:33PM
*********SPOILER ALERT***************


-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-


So for those of you who didn't see the first episode, it was Gladiators vs. Apache Indians. The Apache used Tomahawk, Bow & Arrow, War Club, and Knives for his weapons. The gladiator used a Sica, Cestus, Trident & Net Combo, and a Sling for his weapons. The Apache ended up winning 667/1000 times, and the gladiator 333/1000. Basically, 2/3 of the time the Apache would whoop the gladiator's ass.

What do you guys think? How was the show? What did you think of the outcome?

Personally I thought they could have expanded the data set far beyond just weapons. How about mobility, glancing blows, blocks, etc.? Still, though.. I can't argue with the outcome. In a close range fight where every strike is deadly I'll take mobility and speed where weapons are concerned any day of the week. Mobility against a fully armored opponent, well, then we have an issue.

Looking forward to next week's episodes, though. Your thoughts?
The_Metal_Maniac
4/8/09 10:41:54PM
I love this show so far. Definitely very informative and interesting. Next week you have Vikings vs. Samurai. I definitely am going with the Samurai. I also would like to get my hands on one of those mock heads and hit it hard enough to make the blood and brain matter explode out. That's my inner serial killer speaking. WTF? lol
Jackelope
4/8/09 11:03:08PM
Damn it Vikings have to get matched up against Samurai first? Sucks for the vikings. I expected them to go deep in the tournament, but not if they're matched up against probably the #1 overall favorite

Who knows, though.. can a bearded axe best the katana? Will the overpowering offense prove too much for the well rounded finesse of the Samurai? Tune in, and find out! (See, the show should hire me to pimp their episodes haha)
C02
4/8/09 11:09:36PM
This show is awesome watching it right now the Apaches are bad ass. Why would you even want to mess with an Apache.
Svartorm
4/8/09 11:34:19PM
I think the science side is a bit off, as they make large assumptions about weapons based on one guy who is our eras expert on those weapons, but not THEIR eras expert. I love the show though. Its kind of funny because a friend of mine is friends with Snake Blocker, the Apache guy.

As for Vikings vs. Samurai, thats a hard one to answer. For one thing, Vikings weren't the greatest warriors of Norse society, while Samurai were hands down the greatest of Japan. Also, the katana isn't built to cut hard targets, so how it would do on actual armor is a big question that I hope they answer. I'm definitely going to watch it though.
Jackelope
4/9/09 1:10:15AM

Posted by Svartorm

I think the science side is a bit off, as they make large assumptions about weapons based on one guy who is our eras expert on those weapons, but not THEIR eras expert. I love the show though. Its kind of funny because a friend of mine is friends with Snake Blocker, the Apache guy.

As for Vikings vs. Samurai, thats a hard one to answer. For one thing, Vikings weren't the greatest warriors of Norse society, while Samurai were hands down the greatest of Japan. Also, the katana isn't built to cut hard targets, so how it would do on actual armor is a big question that I hope they answer. I'm definitely going to watch it though.



That dude Snake Blocker seemed intense as hell. I would love to train with him for a day or two. Living in and around Apache country nearly my entire life has left me with a fascination for their culture. They were really one of the last truly feared tribes in North America. Even all the way up to the late 1800's people knew not to go into Apache territory. Outside of Hawaii and Alaska they were literally one of the very last strongholds of the Indian nation. That's why criminals used to flee west into Indian territory to get away from the law in Texas.

I found myself rooting for the Gladiator based on my obvious anglo american bias (which is a bit of a paradox if you really think about it), but I couldn't be too disappointed with the Apache winning.

I didn't know the Katana doesn't do well against steel targets. I figured it's folded metal and long edge would lend itself well to hard targets with large surfaces, but I guess we'll see. How do you think it would do against chain mail and the like? What type of armor do Samurais wear? Is it some form of bamboo or something? I'm full of questions. The show has me hooked.
roadking95th
4/9/09 1:25:14AM
I liked the show. I do have a problem with the scenarios though. The gladiator was made for a specific environment with specific conditions. There were no places to run or hide. Not that this should of been held against the Apache. they are just too different.

If half the fights were held in an arena, I am sure the gladiator would have won, but that scenario is kind of ridiculous. I suppose though that this was the only way to include a warrior from Roman/Greek times. Obviously they couldn't bring out a full Spartan phalanx!

Based on the scenarios, I believe I am having to go with the Samurai. Some protection, long range, mid range, and close range weapons.

Of course, you give me a medieval man with chain mail (not too much, but just enough) with a long bow, mace, broad sword, and horse/lance....I don't know. After all, I think a knight would know how to use a long bow.
Svartorm
4/9/09 3:35:43AM

Posted by Jackelope

I didn't know the Katana doesn't do well against steel targets. I figured it's folded metal and long edge would lend itself well to hard targets with large surfaces, but I guess we'll see. How do you think it would do against chain mail and the like? What type of armor do Samurais wear? Is it some form of bamboo or something? I'm full of questions. The show has me hooked.



A katana is very much a soft target weapon, because most soldiers from those eras were peasants and unarmored, much in the same way that knights were higher class and had armor, and would butcher people who were not. A katana will go through a soft target like butter, but the blades are too thin to hold up to rimmed shields that a Viking would have. As for chainmail, I'm fairly sure it would go through it, but plate armors would break it. Most swords from the era of plate armor look like crowbars with edges because something thinner would break.

As for samurai armor, it changed over eras, but the popular kind was made of laquered metal plates overlapping each other like shingles. It was light, but never meant to stop a heavy blow, so something like a dane ax would go right through it. Then again, there isn't much a dane ax wouldn't go through.
The_Ho_Bag
4/9/09 12:02:12PM
i enjoyed the show, it was funny the Apache guys where flipping out and talking so much smack but in the end he beat the gladiator. i thought the gladiator would win due to strength but the Apache is just so beast at hit and running.

im picking the samurai to beat the viking. WAR Japan =)
Pookie
4/9/09 5:18:02PM
Im apache


Im going to put my money on the samurai til the very end.
JWest12
4/9/09 7:59:37PM
I was going for the gladiator over the Apache. I do think the scenario at the end was a little unrealistic. For example the gladiator was on top of the Apache, hitting him in the face with his spiked glove. Then he got up and the Apache got up and killed him. I'm pretty sure in an actual fight that gladiator would have made sure the Apache was dead.

I was also impressed by the damage that the sling did to the dummy's face.
Svartorm
4/9/09 8:24:59PM
Slings are brutal, but they don't kill unless they hit the head. Greek armies used to have entire units of slingers, so imagine marching and having it basically rain lead balls going 110 mph. **** that!
Jackelope
4/9/09 9:04:32PM
I just watched another preview for this show. Looks like modern day special forces soldiers are included in the fights. WITH modern weapons. Hmm... I wonder who is going to kill everyone they fight? haha
Pookie
4/10/09 12:15:27AM

Posted by Jackelope

I just watched another preview for this show. Looks like modern day special forces soldiers are included in the fights. WITH modern weapons. Hmm... I wonder who is going to kill everyone they fight? haha



They better put them against a pride of lions.

Guns > Everything else
Jackelope
4/10/09 12:24:10AM
Yeah, I'd love to see a group of Samurais charge even one SF Operator behind an M240B on cyclic rate of fire
State_Champ
4/11/09 7:25:52PM
I really liked the show but found it to be a little lacking (amateurish might be the right word) in terms of appearance and production.
Also, the narrator's voice was obnoxious when used so much.


That being said, the concept is awsome, the show was entertaining and I'll watch it again for sure.
overall
Svartorm
4/11/09 11:28:08PM
I'm pretty sure thats the narrator from 300, so they just have him for cross-over appeal, as obviously if you liked 300, you'd probably be into the show.
CwB
4/13/09 4:15:50PM
i guess im the only one who really didnt like the show at all. The experts were annoying, the entire show is so hypothetical that it will never answer any question of who would win, and the narrator is such a gimmick that it came across really annoying. I loved the idea of the show and gave it a chance but just wasnt a fan
mkiv9secsupra
4/13/09 4:29:20PM
Does anyone know what other warriors they will profile on the show? We know of the Vikings, Cherokee, Gladiator and Samurai but who else?
JWest12
4/13/09 4:44:36PM
Pirate vs. Knight
Taliban vs. IRA
Yakuza vs. Mafi a
Viking vs. Samurai
Green Beret vs. Spetznaz
Maori vs. Shaolin Monks
William Wallace vs. Shaka Zulu
Ninja vs. Spartan

Those are the ones that I could find.
mkiv9secsupra
4/13/09 5:26:23PM

Posted by JWest12

Pirate vs. Knight
Taliban vs. IRA
Yakuza vs. Mafi a
Viking vs. Samurai
Green Beret vs. Spetznaz
Maori vs. Shaolin Monks
William Wallace vs. Shaka Zulu
Ninja vs. Spartan

Those are the ones that I could find.



Green Beret vs Spetznaz seems amazing.... But dont the Russians keep most of their info, especially highly trained military units and tactics, under wraps no matter what? Interesting matchup.

Also the IRA they are referring to, is that the Irish Republican Army?

Cant wait to see more this season.....


But Yakuza vs ***** and Wallace vs Shakazulu get not even remotely interesting to me.
Aaronno9
4/13/09 6:32:20PM
Id assume the IRA would be the Irish Republican army, just based on the fact they're up against another terrorist group. This show sounds interesting, but after watching the first episode I was a little dissapointed. Like somebody already said, its not like the gladiator would just be getting up and walking away knowing the apache wasnt dead after hed beat him down with that glove. Im looking forward to the ninja vs the spartan.

War William Wallace!!! (the film version anyways)
Jackelope
4/13/09 7:46:11PM

Posted by JWest12

Pirate vs. Knight
Taliban vs. IRA
Yakuza vs. Mafi a
Viking vs. Samurai
Green Beret vs. Spetznaz
Maori vs. Shaolin Monks
William Wallace vs. Shaka Zulu
Ninja vs. Spartan

Those are the ones that I could find.



Here are my winners:

Knight - Plate armor will own a pirate's saber
Taliban (If they're talking Afghan-Mujahideen style)- Mujahideen are highly underrated
Yakuza- Japanese gangsters.. 'nuff said
Samurai- Will overwhelm the Viking with technique
Green Beret- Rangers owned Spetznaz, can't even imagine what Green Berets would do to them
Shaolin Monk- Probably will win via range with their long spears. Interesting matchup, though considering one culture is a completely feudal culture who lives by battle, and another is a peaceful culture who, though they train constantly, is supposed to be peaceful by nature.
William Wallace- I want to see that two handed sword lop a torso in half
Spartan- Tough match to call, but take away the element of surprise from the ninja and the Spartan may pull off the win. The shield should provide an advantage, too. Honor vs. Dishonor I'll go with honor 55/45
roadking95th
4/14/09 2:01:52PM
The IRA(S) takes this easily. Once they sick their auditors on them, there is no escape.

Death by Taxes!!!
Svartorm
4/14/09 11:23:52PM
Spoilers!!!!!!!!!
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-

Awesome episode! I'm glad they showed the katana didn't work on chainmail, although I was dissapointed they didn't give the same consideration to viking weapons and samurai armor. They had the helmet take an axe blow, but didn't show an axe hitting samurai plate. The samurais archery skill was excellent though.
The_Ho_Bag
4/15/09 1:03:55AM

Posted by Svartorm

I'm pretty sure thats the narrator from 300, so they just have him for cross-over appeal, as obviously if you liked 300, you'd probably be into the show.



yah the narrator is the guy from 300 and its boromir from lord of the rings
Jackelope
4/16/09 12:43:53AM
Yeah, that was a good episode. I was absolutely amazed by the spear throw. I didn't expect that at all. Hell, with the sloppy technique that dude was showing off with his other weapons I was almost expecting him to miss the target. Damn, was I wrong, or what? That was unbelievable.

I also would have liked to have seen the Viking weapons vs. the Samurai armor. I wonder if they just couldn't afford to ruin a good set or something
Svartorm
4/16/09 3:00:46AM
Spear throwing is actually almost purely strength and basic foot placement, almost like the difference between throwing a shotput and a baseball. I have a good friend that won a regional spear throwing contest at a Ren. fair before, and had never thrown a spear in his life. Hes just such a monster he could hurl the thing 40 feet into a target and no one else could throw that far.
Rush
4/18/09 9:26:01AM

Posted by CwB

i guess im the only one who really didnt like the show at all. The experts were annoying, the entire show is so hypothetical that it will never answer any question of who would win, and the narrator is such a gimmick that it came across really annoying. I loved the idea of the show and gave it a chance but just wasnt a fan




No I am with you on that one. I saw one episode and came to the conclusion that their whole method for analysis is severely flawed (scientifically).

First of all, it looks like they are doing an elimination style round, when really they should be doing round robin style match ups.

Second, if you are going to compare anything in a proper scientific manner you have to use the same tests. You cannot say one thing is better than the other by comparing two different results from two different tests.

Third and related to the second, their whole grading system is subjective. As much as they want you to think it is objective, it isn't. Their computer simulation is probably just a probability calculator based on constraints that they formulated. Now the simulation is objective, but the constraints are subjective.

Fourth, this type of thing has been debated for a long for martial arts styles. Along came the UFC and they (IMO) pretty much had the best formula to measure it despite the elimination set up. Look what happened. BJJ took the cake. Now, does anyone still think that BJJ is the most deadly martial art?

Fifth, there are a lot of X-factors that are not discussed in the show, which make it potentially misleading. That is, are they comparing the fighting styles and weapons or the warriors themselves? There are other aspects about the warriors and their tactics that are not discussed. eg. their living conditions. A starving pirate will not be much of a match for a well fed warrior. Also some of the warrior fighting styles are not designed for one-on-one combat. For example, most samurai fought on the battle field and not in single combat.


Mythbusters is a much more objective show than this one and that is saying a lot. I see the show as an excuse to take weapons and cut up pieces of meat and bash fake heads.


Deadliest warrior =
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4 5
Related Topics